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O Caça "tampão" da Austrália
Estudo diz que Austrália pode precisar de ‘planos B e C’ para caças
Estudo do ASPI (Australian Strategic Policy Institute) diz que a Austrália precisa tanto de um Plano B quanto de um Plano C para manter sua supremacia aérea no caso de novos atrasos do F-35. O Plano B seria a “opção menos pior”: a extensão da vida dos Hornets da RAAF (Força Aérea Real Australiana) para além de 2020 e o Plano C envolveria a compra de Super Hornets adicionais aos 24 já adquiridos.
Segundo o analista Andrew Davies, do ASPI, “espera-se que as discussões a respeitos estejam sendo feitas agora com os EUA, para que haja sólidos planos de contingência”. A Austrália deverá adquirir aproximadamente 100 caças F-35, a um custo de 16 bilhões de dólares, com a primeira entrega em 2014 e a entrada em serviço em 2018. Mas atrasos no desenvolvimento podem significar que a capacidade operacional inicial (IOC) seja atingida apenas em 2019-2020, aproximadamente quando os Hornets, adquiridos em meados dos anos 1980, estejam sendo aposentados
Apesar do Governo Australiano argumentar que as entregas do F-35 são flexíveis o suficiente para contornar atrasos, o Dr. Davies afirma que as margens estão ficando desconfortavelmente estreitas.
O custo para cada caça, que anteriormente era cotado a 55 milhões de dólares, agora se aproxima de 130 milhões, mas para Davies esse é um problema bem menor, quando comparado ao cronograma de entregas – e isso estaria colocando em questão a capacidade da RAAF de manter uma frota de aproximadamente 100 aeronaves de combate.
Se, por um lado, o F-35 hoje está hoje adiantado em seu programa de testes, e parece ser tão furtivo quanto prometico, por outro a preocupação estaria com o software, cujo desenvolvimento está atrasado, segundo Davies.
Fonte:Poder Aéreo.
Original: Australian Strategic Policy Institute
Estudo diz que Austrália pode precisar de ‘planos B e C’ para caças
Estudo do ASPI (Australian Strategic Policy Institute) diz que a Austrália precisa tanto de um Plano B quanto de um Plano C para manter sua supremacia aérea no caso de novos atrasos do F-35. O Plano B seria a “opção menos pior”: a extensão da vida dos Hornets da RAAF (Força Aérea Real Australiana) para além de 2020 e o Plano C envolveria a compra de Super Hornets adicionais aos 24 já adquiridos.
Segundo o analista Andrew Davies, do ASPI, “espera-se que as discussões a respeitos estejam sendo feitas agora com os EUA, para que haja sólidos planos de contingência”. A Austrália deverá adquirir aproximadamente 100 caças F-35, a um custo de 16 bilhões de dólares, com a primeira entrega em 2014 e a entrada em serviço em 2018. Mas atrasos no desenvolvimento podem significar que a capacidade operacional inicial (IOC) seja atingida apenas em 2019-2020, aproximadamente quando os Hornets, adquiridos em meados dos anos 1980, estejam sendo aposentados
Apesar do Governo Australiano argumentar que as entregas do F-35 são flexíveis o suficiente para contornar atrasos, o Dr. Davies afirma que as margens estão ficando desconfortavelmente estreitas.
O custo para cada caça, que anteriormente era cotado a 55 milhões de dólares, agora se aproxima de 130 milhões, mas para Davies esse é um problema bem menor, quando comparado ao cronograma de entregas – e isso estaria colocando em questão a capacidade da RAAF de manter uma frota de aproximadamente 100 aeronaves de combate.
Se, por um lado, o F-35 hoje está hoje adiantado em seu programa de testes, e parece ser tão furtivo quanto prometico, por outro a preocupação estaria com o software, cujo desenvolvimento está atrasado, segundo Davies.
Fonte:Poder Aéreo.
Original: Australian Strategic Policy Institute
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Air force eyes 18 more Super Hornets as delays dog our new fighter
EXCLUSIVE Brendan Nicholson, Defence editor From: The Australian April 11, 2011 12:00AM
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 6036923907
DEVELOPMENT of the revolutionary Joint Strike Fighter, intended to provide Australia's air defence through this century, is running well behind schedule and the RAAF may need to buy 18 more Super Hornets for $1.5 billion to fill the gap.
Australian defence officials head for the US this week for an update from Lockheed Martin Corporation, which is developing the stealthy, multi-role JSF, now named the F-35 Lightning II.
The Australian understands they will raise serious concerns about delays in the project and the possibility of an alarming gap in Australia's air defences from 2020 onwards.
A recent report by the US Government Accountability Office indicates the program, already behind schedule and over budget, is likely to experience additional production and cost pressures.
Australia plans to buy up to 100 F-35s for an estimated $16bn and has so far ordered 14, with the RAAF's first squadron supposed to be operating by 2018.
However, the US air force is buying the same variant of the JSF as the RAAF and has pushed back the dates by which it expects to have its first squadrons operational from mid-2016 to 2017 -- and possibly now to mid-2018.
Officials from Lockheed Martin have insisted the problems in the US will not mean any delays in delivering Australia's first 14 aircraft.
But there is growing concern in Canberra that the US delays will mean the RAAF's first squadron may not be ready until about 2020 and possibly later.
Alarm bells are ringing because it's likely that by 2020 the last 30 or so of the RAAF's older "classic" Hornets will have reached the end of their useful lives, even with extensive refurbishment.
The Howard government bought 24 Super Hornets for $6bn in 2007 to fill an earlier strategic gap left when the RAAF's F-111 bombers were withdrawn ahead of time because of concerns about fatigue.
Defence officials are preparing for the government a range of options to fill this looming gap in air defences with the most likely being the purchase of a further 18 Super Hornets for about $800 million each.
That would make economic sense, because the $6bn purchase price for the first 24 Super Hornets included the infrastructure to support them and that can be used for the additional aircraft.
Another option might be further refurbishments of the classic Hornets.
Officials from the Defence Materiel Organisation will join delegations from all of the nations involved in the JSF project for a comprehensive briefing on progress this week.
There have been three key issues with the JSF as its development progressed -- whether the F-35 will do all that's promised of it, whether it will be delivered on time and whether it will cost more than anticipated.
The Australian has been told development of the aircraft, which is packed with sophisticated radars and other electronic equipment, is progressing well and is likely to meet or exceed the expectations of the nine nations involved in its development.
But there is a growing acceptance in the RAAF that the aircraft will be late and a steady increase in costs is eating up the considerable margin built into the contract by Australia's Defence Department.
The original plan was for Lockheed to build 2443 JSFs for various arms of the American forces with about 500 others going to allies including Australia, Israel and Canada.
A long-time strong supporter of Australia's role in the JSF project, former RAAF air marshal Errol McCormack has warned that the likely delays mean the Gillard government must get a plan in place to ensure Australia's air defences are effective once the classic Hornets are retired.
Air Marshal McCormack, who now runs a normally strongly pro-JSF group of experienced military flyers known as the Williams Foundation, said in its latest bulletin the government should remember the RAAF's experience with the F-111.
The first Australian F-111s were to be delivered in 1968.
"Even though development and production slipped because of technical issues, Australia adhered to the delivery date rather than the production slot," Air Marshal McCormack said. As a result, in 1968 Australia took notional delivery of underdeveloped aircraft with technical difficulties.
"Consequently, there was a five-year delay in delivery while some of the technical problems were remediated.
"Several modification programs and almost 10 years later, the RAAF eventually operated an excellent bomber."
Air Marshal McCormack said this experience suggested there could be very good reasons for Australia to delay delivery of the F-35 until the production line was "mature" and problems were ironed out.
He suggested a solution could be to refurbish more of the classic Hornets to keep as many of them as necessary flying after 2020.
"In the Williams Foundation's judgment, it would be sensible to wait and see what happens with the F-35, while simultaneously investigating the cost of capability issues involved in maintaining the classic Hornet beyond 2020."
With other elements including the Jindalee Over Horizon Radar network, Australia's air defences could be world class for the next decade, Air Marshal McCormack said. "The issue is: what action is required to ensure that any further delays to the F-35 do not result in a capability gap?" Air Marshal McCormack said.
"The question is too important to be left unanswered."
Concern about air superiority has risen in Canberra and at the Pentagon since China this year unveiled its answer to the F-35. The prototype Chinese fighter jet has arrived years ahead of Western expectations.
It is intended that the the F-35s will replace both the F-111 long-range bombers and the RAAF's classic Hornets.
The new aircraft is also expected to replace all of the major aircraft in the US inventory.
The intention is for the RAAF to get its first two F-35s in 2014, despite the production delays in the US, according to Lockheed Martin.
The first two F-35s will remain in the US, and Australian pilots and ground crew will go to the US to train on the planes.
EXCLUSIVE Brendan Nicholson, Defence editor From: The Australian April 11, 2011 12:00AM
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 6036923907
DEVELOPMENT of the revolutionary Joint Strike Fighter, intended to provide Australia's air defence through this century, is running well behind schedule and the RAAF may need to buy 18 more Super Hornets for $1.5 billion to fill the gap.
Australian defence officials head for the US this week for an update from Lockheed Martin Corporation, which is developing the stealthy, multi-role JSF, now named the F-35 Lightning II.
The Australian understands they will raise serious concerns about delays in the project and the possibility of an alarming gap in Australia's air defences from 2020 onwards.
A recent report by the US Government Accountability Office indicates the program, already behind schedule and over budget, is likely to experience additional production and cost pressures.
Australia plans to buy up to 100 F-35s for an estimated $16bn and has so far ordered 14, with the RAAF's first squadron supposed to be operating by 2018.
However, the US air force is buying the same variant of the JSF as the RAAF and has pushed back the dates by which it expects to have its first squadrons operational from mid-2016 to 2017 -- and possibly now to mid-2018.
Officials from Lockheed Martin have insisted the problems in the US will not mean any delays in delivering Australia's first 14 aircraft.
But there is growing concern in Canberra that the US delays will mean the RAAF's first squadron may not be ready until about 2020 and possibly later.
Alarm bells are ringing because it's likely that by 2020 the last 30 or so of the RAAF's older "classic" Hornets will have reached the end of their useful lives, even with extensive refurbishment.
The Howard government bought 24 Super Hornets for $6bn in 2007 to fill an earlier strategic gap left when the RAAF's F-111 bombers were withdrawn ahead of time because of concerns about fatigue.
Defence officials are preparing for the government a range of options to fill this looming gap in air defences with the most likely being the purchase of a further 18 Super Hornets for about $800 million each.
That would make economic sense, because the $6bn purchase price for the first 24 Super Hornets included the infrastructure to support them and that can be used for the additional aircraft.
Another option might be further refurbishments of the classic Hornets.
Officials from the Defence Materiel Organisation will join delegations from all of the nations involved in the JSF project for a comprehensive briefing on progress this week.
There have been three key issues with the JSF as its development progressed -- whether the F-35 will do all that's promised of it, whether it will be delivered on time and whether it will cost more than anticipated.
The Australian has been told development of the aircraft, which is packed with sophisticated radars and other electronic equipment, is progressing well and is likely to meet or exceed the expectations of the nine nations involved in its development.
But there is a growing acceptance in the RAAF that the aircraft will be late and a steady increase in costs is eating up the considerable margin built into the contract by Australia's Defence Department.
The original plan was for Lockheed to build 2443 JSFs for various arms of the American forces with about 500 others going to allies including Australia, Israel and Canada.
A long-time strong supporter of Australia's role in the JSF project, former RAAF air marshal Errol McCormack has warned that the likely delays mean the Gillard government must get a plan in place to ensure Australia's air defences are effective once the classic Hornets are retired.
Air Marshal McCormack, who now runs a normally strongly pro-JSF group of experienced military flyers known as the Williams Foundation, said in its latest bulletin the government should remember the RAAF's experience with the F-111.
The first Australian F-111s were to be delivered in 1968.
"Even though development and production slipped because of technical issues, Australia adhered to the delivery date rather than the production slot," Air Marshal McCormack said. As a result, in 1968 Australia took notional delivery of underdeveloped aircraft with technical difficulties.
"Consequently, there was a five-year delay in delivery while some of the technical problems were remediated.
"Several modification programs and almost 10 years later, the RAAF eventually operated an excellent bomber."
Air Marshal McCormack said this experience suggested there could be very good reasons for Australia to delay delivery of the F-35 until the production line was "mature" and problems were ironed out.
He suggested a solution could be to refurbish more of the classic Hornets to keep as many of them as necessary flying after 2020.
"In the Williams Foundation's judgment, it would be sensible to wait and see what happens with the F-35, while simultaneously investigating the cost of capability issues involved in maintaining the classic Hornet beyond 2020."
With other elements including the Jindalee Over Horizon Radar network, Australia's air defences could be world class for the next decade, Air Marshal McCormack said. "The issue is: what action is required to ensure that any further delays to the F-35 do not result in a capability gap?" Air Marshal McCormack said.
"The question is too important to be left unanswered."
Concern about air superiority has risen in Canberra and at the Pentagon since China this year unveiled its answer to the F-35. The prototype Chinese fighter jet has arrived years ahead of Western expectations.
It is intended that the the F-35s will replace both the F-111 long-range bombers and the RAAF's classic Hornets.
The new aircraft is also expected to replace all of the major aircraft in the US inventory.
The intention is for the RAAF to get its first two F-35s in 2014, despite the production delays in the US, according to Lockheed Martin.
The first two F-35s will remain in the US, and Australian pilots and ground crew will go to the US to train on the planes.
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O mais provável, e barato, é daram um upgrade meia-boca nos F/A-18C/D. Podem dar um bom caldo até 2020 a um preço muito razoável.
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Os F/A-18A da RAAF passaram por upgrade (HUG) na segunda metade da decada de 90. O Plano era comecar a retira-los de servico a partir de 2015.Pepê Rezende escreveu:O mais provável, e barato, é daram um upgrade meia-boca nos F/A-18C/D. Podem dar um bom caldo até 2020 a um preço muito razoável.
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Sempre e inevitavelmente, cada um de nós subestima o número de indivíduos estúpidos que circulam pelo mundo.
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Pepê Rezende escreveu:O mais provável, e barato, é daram um upgrade meia-boca nos F/A-18C/D. Podem dar um bom caldo até 2020 a um preço muito razoável.
Pepê
Mais uma razão para mantê-los por quatro anos. Um revisão estrutural, um GPS colado com velcro no painel, uma bola de câmbio com carangueijo e tá feito. Sai por menos de US$ 70 milhas. Acha que vão comprar 15 F/A-18E/F por US$ 825 milhas?Penguin escreveu:Os F/A-18A da RAAF passaram por upgrade (HUG) na segunda metade da decada de 90. O Plano era comecar a retira-los de servico a partir de 2015.
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Respeito a opinião de vcs, pero, a meu ver os aussies deveriam era fechar a compra de mais 18/20 F/A 18E/F/G ja que(supondo continuarem na canoa do JSF 35) manter uma frota de 40/42 aviões no futuro é mais producente que manter uma frota de 24 aviões.
Só há 2 tipos de navios: os submarinos e os alvos...
Armam-se homens com as melhores armas.
Armam-se Submarinos com os melhores homens.
Os sábios PENSAM
Os Inteligentes COPIAM
Os Idiotas PLANTAM e os
Os Imbecis FINANCIAM...
Armam-se homens com as melhores armas.
Armam-se Submarinos com os melhores homens.
Os sábios PENSAM
Os Inteligentes COPIAM
Os Idiotas PLANTAM e os
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Pois é... penso semelhante a você Walter,WalterGaudério escreveu:Respeito a opinião de vcs, pero, a meu ver os aussies deveriam era fechar a compra de mais 18/20 F/A 18E/F/G ja que(supondo continuarem na canoa do JSF 35) manter uma frota de 40/42 aviões no futuro é mais producente que manter uma frota de 24 aviões.
Vamos ver no que vai dar.
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Não quando a discussão no país é porque não se compram F-22 em lugar de limitados F-35! Imagine se forem F/A-18E/F, considerados adequados APENAS para ataques ao solo.WalterGaudério escreveu:Respeito a opinião de vcs, pero, a meu ver os aussies deveriam era fechar a compra de mais 18/20 F/A 18E/F/G ja que(supondo continuarem na canoa do JSF 35) manter uma frota de 40/42 aviões no futuro é mais producente que manter uma frota de 24 aviões.
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Não pararam de fábricar o F-22?
Na União Soviética, o político é roubado por VOCÊ!!
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Pepe, essa discussao morreu ha muito tempo. O maior defensor era o Carlo Kopp, dono do site APA.Pepê Rezende escreveu:Não quando a discussão no país é porque não se compram F-22 em lugar de limitados F-35! Imagine se forem F/A-18E/F, considerados adequados APENAS para ataques ao solo.WalterGaudério escreveu:Respeito a opinião de vcs, pero, a meu ver os aussies deveriam era fechar a compra de mais 18/20 F/A 18E/F/G ja que(supondo continuarem na canoa do JSF 35) manter uma frota de 40/42 aviões no futuro é mais producente que manter uma frota de 24 aviões.
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O pais nao compra pq o F-22 nao eh exportavel e se fosse, representaria uma carga financeira grande demais para um pais de apenas 20 milhoes de habitantes.
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O país de 20 milhões de habitantes morre de medo, ao meu ver injustamente, da República Popular da China e leva sua defesa a sério. A propósito, a pressão para exportarem F-22 ainda é forte por parte de três países: Austrália, Israel e Japão... Por eles, a produção não teria terminado. F/A-18E/F só se o programa F-35 for cancelado pelos EUA. Como não será...Penguin escreveu:Pepe, essa discussao morreu ha muito tempo. O maior defensor era o Carlo Kopp, dono do site APA.
O pais nao compra pq o F-22 nao eh exportavel e se fosse, representaria uma carga financeira grande demais para um pais de apenas 20 milhoes de habitantes.
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Se pararam não sei... mas essa foto é recente:irlan escreveu:Não pararam de fábricar o F-22?
Lockheed Martin F-22A Raptor USAF (Lockheed Martin flight tests a new Raptor) Marietta - Dobbins ARB (Atlanta NAS) - USA - Georgia, April 13, 2011
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Saiu uma notícia que a última fuselagem central foi para a linha de montagem. Se não acabou está acabando...
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Parece que o último fica pronto em fevereiro do ano que vem, depois disso a LM vai documentar e guardar os equipamentos da linha de produção, depois disso só Deus sabe.