JAS-39 Gripen

[Penguin]

Um projecto não ter data definida concreta e ser "around" ainda por cima de um ano, tipo " o projecto começou em 2004 quando o Svenson se lembrou no banheiro de fazer o NG".

Um projecto tem data concreta, um milestone, seja a apresentação dos requisitos do projecto (TAP), seja o inicio do projecto etc. Essa data é balela.

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Sem data definida?! Ou vc não quer "absorver" as datas que já foram divulgadas por N fontes? Será algum bloqueio?

Na proposta para a Holnada, o início das entregas era 2015.
O MMRCA estipula início das entregas em 2014 (3 anos após a assinatura do contrato, que deve ocorrer em 2011).
Para a Suécia as entregas estão previstas para 2017.
O F-X2 agora prevê entregas a partir de 2016, não?

[AlbertoRJ]

Vão entregar algo que nem foi comprado.

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[Penguin]

Vão entregar algo que nem foi comprado.

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Mas alguém está financiando o desenvolvimento. Algum propósito isso deve ter.

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[AlbertoRJ]

Vão entregar algo que nem foi comprado.

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Mas alguém está financiando o desenvolvimento. Algum propósito isso deve ter.

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Claro, esses são os propósitos:

Gripen Demo

DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM DESIGNED TO

• Demonstrate a/c development potential
  
  Demonstrate industrial capabilities
  
  Evaluate new technologies
  
  Encourage innovation
  
  Motivate
  
  Stimulate Gripen marketing
  
  ...and create a foundation for the production of the next generation Gripen

Até aí nada de compras.

Quanto ao financiamento:

• Industry (risk sharing partners from all over the world)
  FMV (Swedish Defense Material Administration)
  Potential future Gripen N/G customers

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[Penguin]

Mas alguém está financiando o desenvolvimento. Algum propósito isso deve ter.

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Claro, esses são os propósitos:

Gripen Demo

DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM DESIGNED TO

• Demonstrate a/c development potential
  
  Demonstrate industrial capabilities
  
  Evaluate new technologies
  
  Encourage innovation
  
  Motivate
  
  Stimulate Gripen marketing
  
  ...and create a foundation for the production of the next generation Gripen

Até aí nada de compras.

Quanto ao financiamento:

• Industry (risk sharing partners from all over the world)
  FMV (Swedish Defense Material Administration)
  Potential future Gripen N/G customers

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E o último e mais importante propósito?

[AlbertoRJ]

Claro, esses são os propósitos:

Gripen Demo

DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM DESIGNED TO

• Demonstrate a/c development potential
  
  Demonstrate industrial capabilities
  
  Evaluate new technologies
  
  Encourage innovation
  
  Motivate
  
  Stimulate Gripen marketing
  
  ...and create a foundation for the production of the next generation Gripen

Até aí nada de compras.

Quanto ao financiamento:

• Industry (risk sharing partners from all over the world)
  FMV (Swedish Defense Material Administration)
  Potential future Gripen N/G customers

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E o último e mais importante propósito?

Sim, foundation...é um demonstrador.
Dá para notar que o cliente desse avião não será a Força Aérea Sueca.

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[Penguin]

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Claro, esses são os propósitos:

Gripen Demo

DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM DESIGNED TO

• Demonstrate a/c development potential
  
  Demonstrate industrial capabilities
  
  Evaluate new technologies
  
  Encourage innovation
  
  Motivate
  
  Stimulate Gripen marketing
  
  ...and create a foundation for the production of the next generation Gripen

Até aí nada de compras.

Quanto ao financiamento:

• Industry (risk sharing partners from all over the world)
  FMV (Swedish Defense Material Administration)
  Potential future Gripen N/G customers

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E o último e mais importante propósito?

Sim, foundation...é um demonstrador.
Dá para notar que o cliente desse avião não será a Força Aérea Sueca.

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Diz ai que o propósito do Gripen Demo é criar as bases (foundation) para a produção do Gripen da próxima geração ou NG.
Não é isso que tem sido divulgado?!

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[AlbertoRJ]

Sim, mas o assunto era entregas sem encomendas. Ou o Gripen NG já foi encomendado pela Suécia?

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[Penguin]

Sim, mas o assunto era entregas sem encomendas. Ou o Gripen NG já foi encomendado pela Suécia?

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Quando alguém investe em algo, propósito(s) há neste esforço. Essa foi a minha colocação inicial.
E vc acabou de postar os propósitos do investimento neste programa.

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[Carlos Mathias]

F-20Tigershark.

[Penguin]

Sim, mas o assunto era entregas sem encomendas. Ou o Gripen NG já foi encomendado pela Suécia?

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Óbvio que entregas só ocorrerão com as encomendas.
Por exemplo, o Rafale F-4 só será entregue se alguém encomendar.

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[Penguin]

F-20Tigershark.

O F-20 foi um projeto privado ao contrário do NG.

[AlbertoRJ]

O Gripen NG também é um programa essencialmente privado. Alguém duvida??

Aliás, o programa Gripen Demo foi lançado sem dinheiro do governo sueco:

Gripen Demo – Trail-blazing the future

Saab is launching its plans for a new Gripen Demonstrator programme in partnership with some of the world’s leading aerospace companies. “This programme will keep Gripen at the leading edge well beyond 2040”, says Johan Lehander, Managing Director Gripen International.

19/6/2007 | A powerful partnership between Saab and some of the world’s leading aerospace companies has been established to prepare the launch of the Gripen Demonstrator programme. This new programme is aimed at demonstrating a range of future technologies and capabilities to ensure that Gripen remains at the leading edge of fighter aircraft performance and capability well beyond 2040.
The demonstrator programme will include the development of a new Gripen test flying platform - Gripen Demo - and the Gripen Avionics Rig. Gripen Demo will include new features such as a new engine with increased thrust, an AESA radar, increased range, new landing gear, increased weapons and stores capabilities and enhanced avionics structures. The programme is driven by the future needs of current and potential customers, and incorporates state-of-the-art technology that will keep Gripen at the leading edge well into the future.
This programme complements and enhances Gripen’s ongoing technology insertion programme with the highly successful Gripen C/D version now being delivered to customers worldwide.
Investment in the programme will be made by Saab and its international industrial partners, as well as potential future customers. In April 2007, Norway signed a Letter of Agreement regarding the future development of Gripen, valued at around USD 25 million, and the Swedish government is also expected to make a decision soon. These decisions represent a significant national and international government investment and commitment to Gripen’s future.
General Electric together with Volvo, Honeywell, Rockwell Collins, APPH, Martin-Baker and Terma are just some of the world-leading aerospace companies that, together with Saab, will jointly invest in the Gripen Demonstrator programme. Saab is continuing its discussions with other industrial partners and suppliers regarding further investment in the programme.
This combination of international corporate partnership and national and international commitment, through a jointly funded industry and government investment programme, is a very powerful testament to Gripen’s future.
“The Gripen Demonstrator programme, supported by our world leading industrial partners, will strengthen our position in the international market and will keep Gripen at the leading edge throughout its lifetime, well beyond 2040”, says Johan Lehander Managing Director Gripen International.

General Electric:
GE Aviation and Volvo Aero Corporation will be working collaboratively on the new F414G fighter engine for the Gripen Demonstrator programme.
The F414G engine selected by Saab uses a similar architecture to the popular F414-GE-400 engine powering the F/A-18 Super Hornet, with minor changes to the alternator (for added aircraft power) and modified Full Authority Digital Electronic Control software for enhances single-engine operation. The F414 engine is capable of producing more than 22,000 pounds (96 kN) of thrust.
These engines combine advanced technology with proven reliability, maintainability and operability of its successful F404 predecessor while providing 35 % more thrust, with approximately 750,000 flight-hours and 700 engines delivered, the F414 engine continues to exceed U.S. Navy reliability goals.

Honeywell:
Honeywell is providing environmental control systems, air data computers, life support systems, pressure regulators, shutoff valves and radar altimeters to enhance safety and reliability.

Rockwell-Collins:
Rockwell Collins is providing an avionics suite of state-of-the-art Flight Management Computers, including switching, data transfer units and video processing capability. Rockwell Collins is also supplying three new intelligent 6” x 8” colour Active Matrix Liquid Crystal Display (AMLCD) Head-Down displays, and is integrating enhancements to the existing Rockwell Collins Head-Up Display. This cockpit solution builds upon experience built up over many years in the market and will leverage future technology investments.

Martin-Baker:
Martin-Baker Aircraft Company Limited, a world leader of aircrew escape systems, is to be involved with the new Gripen Demonstrator Programme. Martin-Baker will supply a first-class ejection seat for this aircraft and support Saab in future aircrew safety requirements.

APPH:
APPH Ltd, a BBA Aviation company, will be a part of the exiting new development of the Gripen. The design enhancements to the existing and already proven landing gear system will contribute towards the Gripen Demonstrator programmes future success.

Terma:
Terma is sub-contracted to supply a variety of machined metal parts for the Gripen Demonstrator programme. As the leading defence and aerospace company in Denmark, Terma has unique knowledge, capabilities and experience within design and production of advanced structural parts for military and commercial aircraft
http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations ... 9_demo.htm

Em seguida:

New deals extend Saab Gripen line into next decade


Saab has received contracts and commitments that will keep the Gripen multi-role fighter production line open into the next decade and pave the way for a next-generation aircraft.
Thailand has selected the Swedish fighter to replace its Northrop F-5s, and approved a budget of 34,400 billion baht ($1.1 billion) to procure 12 Gripen C/Ds and two Saab Erieye airborne early warning aircraft, to enter service beginning in 2010.
In addition the Swedish government has signed an SKr3.9 billion ($600 million) contract to rebuild 31 Gripen A/Bs to C/D standard, for delivery starting in 2010 under the plan to reduce the Swedish air force's fighter force to 100 Gripen C/Ds.
The contract also covers the Swedish government's investment in the three-year Gripen demonstrator programme. A test aircraft, the Gripen Demo, will fly in 2008 and demonstrate a strengthened 10g airframe, more powerful engine, new landing gear, increased fuel capacity, active-array radar and expanded weapons capability.
The Royal Thai Air Force will be the fifth operator of the Swedish fighter. Phase 1 of the procurement covers six Gripens and one Erieye, for which 19,000 billion baht has been budgeted within the 2008-12 five-year plan. Phase 2 procurement of six more Gripens and the second Erieye has been budgeted at 15,400 billion in 2013-17.
Sweden's Defence Materiel Administration says negotiations will now begin on the government-government deal. It is not yet clear whether the Thai aircraft will be new-build Gripens or ex-Swedish air force A/Bs rebuilt to C/D standard.
The airframes for the Swedish A/B to C/D upgrade programme will be entirely new, says Saab, and only the engines, radars and some systems will be reused. The work will begin in 2008 and upgraded aircraft will be identical to new-build C/Ds, it says.
Upgrading the Swedish aircraft will keep the Gripen production line open to 2012, says Saab. Meanwhile, the Gripen Demo will develop upgrades that could be retrofitted into Gripen C/Ds and technologies for a "Next Generation Gripen" that could be offered for export early in the next decade, the company says.
Industry is part-funding the demonstrator programme. Saab says it is investing SKr1 billion while risk-sharing suppliers like General Electric, Honeywell and Rockwell Collins are investing "several hundred million" more on their own money.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... ecade.html

Não parece que o Gripen Demo seja um requerimento da Força Aérea Sueca.

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P.S.: O governo sueco gastou $ 600 milhões para reconstruir 31 aviões (todo o airframe) e mais um troco para o Demo. Não é isso?

[Carlos Lima]

F-20Tigershark.

Pois é...

Qualquer semelhança não é mera coincidência...

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[AlbertoRJ]

Mas não há dúvida que o governo sueco quer ajudar a Saab:

Tradução do Google:

SAAB: SEM SURPRESAS directas para o orçamento de Defesa
2010/10/12 16:48

LONDRES (Reuters) A proposta de orçamento do governo não faz grandes surpresas em termos de defesa em termos de aquisição de materiais e projetos material.

Assim, diz Dan Jangblad, diretor de estratégia da Saab, a Agência de Notícias Direkt na terça-feira.

"Realmente não há surpresas quando se trata de defesa contra o que esperávamos. Se você destacar algo, é evidentemente positiva, afirmando a sua abordagem de longo prazo para o projeto do Gripen", disse Dan Jangblad.

O Governo prevê no orçamento do Outono que também continuou a receber mandato parlamentar para decidir sobre o desenvolvimento dos JAS 39 E/F e de reconversão de até 10 peças JAS 39 C/D para o JAS 39 E/F ", caso o Brasil ou qualquer outra nação escolha prosseguir com as negociações para a aquisição de JAS 39 Gripen ".

É basicamente a mesma redacção o governo usou no orçamento no Outono passado.

http://www.privataaffarer.se/nyheter/di ... f_4514996/

Para o inglês:

LONDON (Reuters) The government's budget proposal does not make any major surprises in terms of defense in terms of material procurement and material projects.

So says Dan Jangblad, strategy director at Saab, the News Agency Direkt on Tuesday.

"There are really no surprises when it comes to defense against what we expected. Should you highlight something, it is of course positive, affirming its long-term approach to the Gripen project," said Dan Jangblad.

The Government proposes in the autumn budget that it also continued to receive parliamentary mandate to decide on the development of the JAS 39 E / F and conversion of up to 10 JAS 39 C / D for the JAS 39 E / F "in the case Brazil or any other nation chooses proceed with negotiations for the acquisition of JAS 39 Gripen. "

It is basically the same wording as the government used at last autumn budget.