MMRCA - FX Indiano

[Carlos Mathias]

Maybe You're going to have the best 4th generation fighter.

[Penguin]

Thanks Carlos and Edson.

Yes, the new Flanker H upgrade, called "Super-30" by the IAF, is expected to use a mix of Su-35, Indian and technology from other countries as well, for its update. The heart of the upgrade will come from Russia, namely radar and new munitions. India may contribute new MFD, and new EW suite with integrated jammers.

Obrigado Carlos e Edson.

Sim, o novo upgrade Flanker H, chamado de "Super 30" IAF deve usar uma mistura de Su-35, da Índia e de outros países para a atualização. O coração da atualização virá da Rússia, por exemplo, radares e munição nova. Índia pode contribuir MFD e equipamentos de guerra eletrônica com jammers.

News about radar developments in India...


Israel, EU in contention to co-develop radars for Tejas
Manu Pubby Posted online: Wed Jul 14 2010, 23:54 hrs
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Israe ... jas/646059

New Delhi : India is close to finalising a developmental partner for a next generation radar that will be the eyes and ears of the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) in the future. With other contenders falling off the race due to different reasons, the race now is between European Consortium EADS and Israeli company Elta that are vying for the initial contract to co-develop 10 prototypes of an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar with India.

While the initial contract is for 10 prototypes, industry estimates put the requirement of the Indian defence forces at close to 600 radars for different types of fighters, making the deal potentially worth over $ 3 billion over the next decade. The tenders for co-development were issued by DRDO’s Electronics and Radar Development Establishment (LRDE) in December last year for the LCA Mk II that has already been approved by the government.

Sources said that LRDE is close to short listing its partner for the project and the competition now is between Elta and EADS, down from the initial bid by five companies that were vying for the potentially large contract. While EADS is showcasing its X band technology, Elta specialises in L band technology and is promoting its new generation X band antenna.

While US companies did not participate in the tender — apparently after they could not gain permission from the government to share the high end technology — Russia’s largest radar company Phazotron and France’s defence giant Thales were dropped due to technical reasons. Italian Selex did not make it to the next round after failing to deposit the earnest money specified in the tender.

The radar will also be considered for the SU 30 MKI upgrade and modernisation projects for front line fighters of the Navy and Air Force.

[Carlos Mathias]

[Penguin]

E o radar AESA russo do Su-35 que iria equipar o Su-30 MKI modernizado?

[Carlos Mathias]

USAntiago, eu vou te mostrar umas coisas em inglês, OK?
Você (ou eu) pode fazer papel de bobo se não entender o que está escrito.

The radar will also be considered for the SU 30 MKI upgrade and modernisation projects for front line fighters of the Navy and Air Force.

O negrito quer dizer que esse suposto radar vai ser considerado, nas futuras modernizações e etc.
Percebe a diferença entre "considerado" e adotado, escolhido, sacramentado, comprado, pronto e etc, etc, etc?
Captou?

Ainda vão começar a projetar o radar, falta muuuuuuuuuito tempo antes deles tomarem os espaços russos na Índia, percebes?

Portanto a pergunta:

E o radar AESA russo do Su-35 que iria equipar o Su-30 MKI modernizado?

Está implicitamente respondida prá quem quiser ver a resposta.

Outro destaque interessante para Gripen e F-18 aqui no nosso FX e que confirma o que o Pepê vem mostrando aqui como constante no tal relatório final.

While US companies did not participate in the tender — apparently after they could not gain permission from the government to share the high end technology

Ou seja, alguém andou prometendo o que não pode cumprir, alguém colocou no RFI, BAFO e etc, algo que não é real, prá dizer o mínimo.

Acho que essa informação é muito mais relevante prá nós do que se o radar do Tejas vai ficar pronto em 15 anos e se vai ou não ser russo.

E eu já sei que a Índia compra de qualquer um, desde que lhe tenda plenamente, como é o caso da Rússia e não é o dos EUA, ao que parece pelo exposto acima.

Abraços!

[Penguin]

The Economic Times

126 fighter jet deal: Tests over, IAF set to announce winner
17 Jul 2010, 0052 hrs IST,TNN
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=13171

NEW DELHI: Even as the Americans, Europeans and Russians jostle to bag the ‘‘ mother of all defence deals’’ , India too is now pressing the throttle to ensure the contract to acquire 126 new fighters under the Rs 42,000-crore medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) project is inked by mid-2011 . “We will be signing the contract within a year. The flight evaluation report on the bidding aircraft will be ready by this month-end ,” Air Chief Marshal P V Naik said.

The IAF, after all, wants to induct the first lot of these 126 fighters by 2014 to retain its combat edge. It is left with just 32 fighter squadrons (each has 12 to 18 jets) at present , down from the ‘‘ sanctioned’ ’ strength of 39.5 squadrons. This when Pakistan is getting new American F-16 s and Chinese fighters , while China assiduously builds new airbases in Tibet and south China.

‘‘ We are ready with the flight evaluation trials (FET) report of the six foreign fighters in contention. Based on it, we are right now generating the staff evaluation report. Both will be submitted to defence ministry by this monthend ,’’ said IAF chief Air Chief Marshal P V Naik, in an exclusive interview to TOI. The eagerly-awaited reports, which have evaluated the fighters on as many as 643 technical attributes after gruelling field trials, will be followed by evaluation of offset proposals, opening of commercial bids and the final complex negotiations.

The hotly-contested race to bag the lucrative MMRCA project, the largest such programme around the globe, is among F/A-18 ‘Super Hornet’ and F-16 ‘Falcon’ (both US), Gripen (Swedish), Rafale (French), MiG-35 (Russian) and Eurofighter Typhoon jets.

‘‘ We definitely need the MMRCA, LCA (the indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft ) and FGFA (the fifth-generation fighter aircraft to be developed with Russia) without any delays to retain our combat edge,’’ said ACM Naik. ‘‘ We also have signed deals for 230 Sukhoi-30 MKI fighters (over 110 have been inducted) with Russia. Another 42 Sukhois will be ordered soon. We want at least 42 fighter squadrons by 2022,’’ he added.

All eyes, of course, are on the MMRCA project. “The trials have been conducted in an exemplary, fair and professional manner. We have to be very transparent because the deal is very large,’’ said the IAF chief. ‘‘The amount of data collated in our voluminous and exhaustive reports is phenomenal. They, in fact, can serve as a template to evaluate aircraft by any country,’’ he added.

As reported earlier, India is also likely to factor in its geostrategic interests while deciding the MMRCA winner, with PM Manmohan Singh himself holding that large defence deals must be leveraged to serve the country’s larger diplomatic ends.

[AlbertoRJ]

SUNDAY, AUGUST 01, 2010

The MMRCA Competition: What Next?

Two days ago, I received a mysterious phone-call from a Russian journalist who claimed to have very reliable information that the Indian Air Force and the Defence Ministry had chosen the MiG-35 in the $12-billion medium multirole combat aicraft (MMRCA) competition, and had communicated as much to both MiG chief Mikhail Pogosyan as well as UAC president Alexey Fedorov. Cut. A well-known senior Indian defence analyst, who junketed off to Farnborough this month, assured me just before he left, that the Typhoon was going to sail through to the finish line -- I'd stopped listening by this time, but he said something about "knowing people in the know". Cut.

There's a lot of stuff swimming around out there about the MMRCA, and it's all tantalizing. Rumours of first blood.

At this point in the game, it's common for vendors to pick journalists' brains about what they're hearing. Well, what they're hearing is a lot of noise. A carefully crafted cacophony of permutation, combination and possibility -- some delectably elegant, some morbidly unthinkable. The campaign chiefs from Boeing and Lockheed-Martin, for example, have frequent briefings in Delhi -- thinly veiled opportunities for them to get exchange notes with reporters about where things stand on the MMRCA, what the rumours are, what they're picking up from "people in the know". All of the rumours are tantalizing in their potential to create massive upheaval -- political, technological, doctrinal, what have you. And in the run up to what is expected to be a downselect this year -- but what is also likely to not be a downselect at all -- I thought I'd put down everything I've heard in the last six three months. The structure, I should say right away, does not indicate a descending order of probability. And yet, it might.

For the purpose of clarity, let me state that the six competitors are the RAC-MiG MiG-35, the Boeing F/A-18IN Super Hornet, the Dassault Rafale, the EADS Eurofighter Typhoon, the Saab Gripen IN and the Lockheed-Martin F-16IN Super Viper.

SCENARIO 1: NO DOWNSELECT: All six contenders make the cut. Commercial negotiations begin with all six companies, and bam, they hand it to one. Right through the field evaluation tests (FET), there have been rumours of scrubs, snags, even hearsay that four of the six failed the test leg at Leh. All six competitors independently assured the press that their horses had come through beautifully and that all rumours of climb-rate disappointments and payload inadequacies were malicious nuggets passed around by "vested interests". Can't think of one person who isn't a vested interest, actually. If all six aircraft dodge the "downselect", it'll mean the FET gave the IAF nothing it could really work with in terms of defining what it really wants to go with. Always bear in mind the supremely incomparable airplanes the IAF is working to compare.

SCENARIO 2: NO DOWNSELECT, BUT PREFERENCE INDICATED: All six contenders make the cut, but are presented in the IAF's report to the MoD in descending order of preference. Best of both worlds -- everyone makes it past the first guillotine.

SCENARIO 3: THE NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION: An interesting one. The IAF submits its report to the MoD along with a list solely indicating the aircraft it definitely doesn't want. The government then takes a political decision among the ones the IAF doesn't mind operating.

SCENARIO 4: SINGLE OUT: IAF chief PV Naik says the MMRCA field evaluation trials make for an international yardstick on how fighters should be evaluated the world over – a masterpiece of a testing templace. Most people believe him, because they’re still trying to figure how a disparate line-up of aircraft can be meaningfully compared with a result-oriented focus. Many were shocked when Boeing elbowed in the Super Hornet into the MMRCA competition way back when the Mirage-2000-V was still in contention and widely believed to be the signature platform for the MMRCA. Things have changed drastically since. This scenario suggests that the IAF has come round to wanting a twin-engine platform. So goodbye F-16IN and Gripen IN.

SCENARIO 5: KEEP IT REAL, KEEP IT MEDIUM: An old scenario that’s more wishful thinking than anything else. There’s nothing “medium” about the Typhoon, Rafale and Super Hornet. So the downselect pushes forward only the MiG-35, the F-16IN and the Gripen IN.

SCENARIO 6: GRIPEN, MIG OUT: The downselect eliminates the Gripen IN and the MiG-35. The former, because it’s Swedish (and woe betide any government that ever buys anything Swedish ever again). The rumour goes that the government has expressly instructed the IAF not to allow the Gripen past the FET phase. The latter because its Russian, and there’s a limit to the whole eggs in one basket thing.

SCENARIO 7: NO OP AESA? GOODBYE!: Only the F-16IN and the F/A-18IN make it because they’re the only two contenders with fully operational AESA radars (the NG APG-80 and the Raytheon APG-79 respectively). The others are work in progress, and the IAF doesn’t want to take a chance. That the IAF has been super-impressed by both American AESAs doesn’t hurt.

SCENARIO 8: TYPHOON OUT: A nightmare scenario for EADS, considering the weight of its pitch. This scenario suggests the Typhoon is ejected from the competition as a result of deficient air-to-ground performance, and that all promises aren’t worth the cost of the airplane.

And these are just eight possible scenarios. I haven’t mentioned the obvious permutations. It’s going to be a yahtzee. Will keep updating this post as I hear more. And, of course, feel free to comment with more scenarios if you’ve heard any.
http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/08/mm ... -next.html

About Livefist
Shiv Aroor is a New Delhi-based television journalist who reports on defence and anchors the news on Headlines Today. He spent three years reporting defence for The Indian Express. Livefist is a personal blog he started in early 2007 and is now among the most visited sites on Indian defence.

[Penguin]

New fighters for Indian Air Force
7 Aug 2010, 1910 hrs IST, AGENCIES
http://www.timesnow.tv/New-fighters-for ... 351233.cms

After exhaustive trials of six fighter jets, Indian Air Force (IAF) has made its choice clear to the Government on the kind of fighter jets needed. Frontrunners for the force are French fighter Dassault Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon built by the European consortium. Bernhard Gerwert, Chief, EADS, says “If you are taking into account the portfolio of EADS we can bring the bridge between civil aviation and military aviation.” But the Americans and Russians have lost out. Boeing’s F18 no longer a frontrunner and Sweden’s Gripen too falling off the Indian radar.

Despite MiG 35s big thunder, its engine failing to impress while the F-16, according to the IAF has no future. Another reason favouring Rafale and Eurofighter is political. Thomas Matussek, German Ambassador, “We regard India as a strategic security partner and this is why we do not insist on an end user monitoring agreement period.” So when the mother of all defence deals is signed for the 126 Multi-Role Combat Aircraft either Rafale or the Eurofighter will fly away with the Rs 42,000 crore deal.

[Carlos Mathias]

Hmmmmm...
O pessoal da Índia vindo aqui, o pessoal daqui indo lá...
Será?
Nossos 120 mais os deles já são uns 300 caças.

[Petry]

É certo que deu Rafale e EF-2000 ou são especulações?

[caixeiro]

É certo que deu Rafale e EF-2000 ou são especulações?

Tem muita nuvem de fumaca, nao tem nada oficial ainda, mais alguns dos contedores nao foram bem ...

[Petry]

Eu já tinha lido sobre algo.

Eu sempre achei que o EF-2000 iria longe. O MiG-35 achava que não iria longe por política e por já ter Su-30 e MiG-29K, onde o objetivo seria um novo fornecedor. O Rafale não levava muita fé. Pensei que o F-18 se sairia melhor por política e se aproximar dos EUA para ser mais importante para o mesmo em relação ao Paquistão.

[Penguin]

É certo que deu Rafale e EF-2000 ou são especulações?

Ainda é especulação, como outras tantas. As especulações pululam!
Dizem que o short list terá 4 aeronaves. A ver.

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[Largomoco]

Já agora o favorito agora é o Eurofighter. Vamos ver se agora vai

Eurofighter is a shitty air to air fighter, as last exercises prouved, it doesn't have mature AoG capabilities, neither was designed for carriers operations ou nuke!

Italy germany and UK will not buy the last tranche, neither thier cheap AESA plate will be fitted before 10 years, or mid life upgrade, these program is dead in europe, in each competitions eurofighter lost, nederland, norway, australia, singa, koree , brazil, romania, greece, fate in swiss, japan and india seems to get free ways to Rafale!

only bribed arabians bough it without competition !

[marcelo l.]

Olha, o timenow é bem respeitável em termos de analises...não são de dar chutes...só acho estranho os americanos estarem fora da final, há muita sintonia entre indianos e tio Sam...no fundo, o governo de Nova deli tenta ficar bem contra os dois adversários de Pequim desse século.