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Podes levantar uma boa grana e trocar de viatura!cabeça de martelo escreveu:Até os blogeres entram neste jogo?! Já tinha ouvido falar de blogeres convidados para visitar um certo estaleiro na Alemanha, mas pensei que fosse uma excepção...
Tenho que começar a levar a sério este tipo de coisas e investir forte e feio num blog acerca desta temática.
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I saw AFM today.
I had to laugh!
Fabrice Grandclaudon had been asked a list of questions that I had suggested to Alan Warnes, and they were repeated word-for-word. I'd better charge for them!
You'll have to buy the magazine to see the full monty, but the interesting bits to me were that Colonel Grandclaudon highlighted a claimed success in exercises against RAF Typhoons (29 Squadron) at Solenzara last year, while acknowledging that at ATLC the F-22 had scored a victory over F-22, but maintaining that this had not been "an overwhelming one."
“Not like the one we claimed against the Typhoons after combat in Solenzara, Corsica, in September (9 set up: 8 to 1 for the Rafale).” he said.
This was the "bad" to which I was alluding in my previous post, when I said: "the RAF's default setting is not to comment on exercise results good (as in ATLC) or bad..."
It's interesting that he didn't mention the occasions when the results have demonstrated just as spectatcular an 'arse kicking' against Rafale. Fighter pilots and their tales, eh?
He revealed that during ATLC itself, Rafale and Typhoon were always on the same side, and that there were no engagements between the two types during ATLC.
He claimed that during the CT phase that preceded ATLC, two Rafales (‘red air’, simulating a generic threat carrying two AA-10C each, in single target mode) fought four ‘Blue’ Typhoons (weaponload unspecified), and that in two cases the Rafales won – gaining a 4:0 score on one occasion, and a 3:1 score on the other. These were, obviously, BVR kills using simulated AA-10C. “We were training assets for RAF pilots, still growing on Typhoon” he said.
He did not claim that these were the only occasions that Red Rafale met Blue Typhoon, nor did he suggest that Red Typhoon had not met Blue Rafale (and beaten Blue Rafale). Nothing he said contradicted the EF GmbH claim that results like these were scored ON BOTH SIDES during the CT phase. Grandclaudon said that these were just the results that he gave out - not that they were the only results, nor even that they reflected the general run of Rafale vs Typhoon results. He acknowledged that he "should not have given the results."
In ATLC, fighting on the same side, he said that he would not have said that the Typhoon was ‘far far’ more capable, saying that it was hard to judge when both types carried out their tasks very well. Interestingly, he took issue with the term 'far far', and not with the allegation that Typhoon was more capable in air to air. He seemed to accept some superiority, but denied the extent of that superiority.
He highlighted the Rafale’s sensor fusion, and especially the way in which radar/SPECTRA/OSF and MIDS tracks were correlated. He also made an interesting observation about Rafale availability.
He also highlighted the Rafale’s ‘nose-pointing’ ability at low speeds.
WAR OF WORDS: RAFALE VS TYPHOON
After the Dubai Air Shows on the web
circulated a series of unofficial reports about
exercises held in the UAE with both Rafales
and Typhoons. The fact that these reports
are unofficial could be a sign of our French
competitor frustration in not having signed
the much anticipated contract with UAE or
possibly even to fulfil a basic need to develop
positive stories about the currently unexported
fighter.
The unofficial reports were circulated
using French Air Force Rafale pilots who
used their blogs to say that Rafale won 4 vs
1 engagements with RAF Typhoons during
the exercises in UAE. Propaganda is a science,
but in this specific case the stories
about the Rafale vs Typhoon are unjustified
and an unfair representations of reality because
in the exercise sorties Typhoons and
Rafales worked together on the same team!
There were red Typhoon/Rafale combos
and blue Typhoon/Rafale combos which
took part in the exercise. On the CT (Continuation
Training) sorties both Typhoon and
Rafale squadrons were conducting work-up
sorties for their junior pilots and this is in
fact the subject and source of the unofficial
reports. To be quoting results from this
training does not give a true reflection of
aircraft superiority not to mention the fact
that similar results against the Rafale and
in Typhoons favour also occurred in this
training too, thus dissolving the basis on
which these unofficial reports are based.
Throughout the exercise Typhoon was
always carrying a greater payload than
Rafale, Typhoon always came into the fight
above Rafale and Typhoon take off performance
was always more stunning than
Rafale - all fully as expected.
Desculpas de perderdor são sempre assim, Chora Viola!!!!Santiago escreveu:Versão da Eurofighter sobre os eventos nos EAU. Da "Eurofighter World" magazine:
WAR OF WORDS: RAFALE VS TYPHOON
After the Dubai Air Shows on the web
circulated a series of unofficial reports about
exercises held in the UAE with both Rafales
and Typhoons. The fact that these reports
are unofficial could be a sign of our French
competitor frustration in not having signed
the much anticipated contract with UAE or
possibly even to fulfil a basic need to develop
positive stories about the currently unexported
fighter......
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) falou que as telas da AEL seriam adaptadas nele.
