Marinha da República Popular da China (PLAN)

[Bolovo]

É verdade P44. Esse cara é soda. No Mp.net dizem que ele é ex-CIA, ex-NSA hahaha.

Recomendo o blog dele, onde ele posta tudo.

http://planeman-bluffersguide.blogspot.com/

[Moccelin]

Cara, o pior é que as análises que ele faz das imagens de satélite são muito bem feitas, ele acha as sombras dos túneis, e esse tipo de coisa, agora, daí pra ele ser ex-CIA ou ex-NSA tem um pulo muito grande, principalmente porque eu não duvido que analistas dessas agências tenham algum termo de não divulgação e de não trabalhar com o conhecimento pra terceiros e por aí vai.

E se você jogar as coordenadas das fotos no Google Earth elas batem e você pode "analisar" por sí mesmo!

[P44]

Friday, January 15, 2010
Latest photo of Varyag's island.
Looking at this photo* of Vargag's remodeled island -- it seems to share a great deal of similarity with Type052C destroyer's phased array radar and radar mast arrangements. Therefore, it would not be a complete surprise to see a multifunction active phased array radar mounted on those "open slots" later.



Type H/LJG-348 Phased Array Radar's slots and radar mast on the Type 052C destroyer during construction.

http://china-defense.blogspot.com/2010/ ... sland.html

[irlan]

Cassinão hein...

[Moccelin]

É que eles querem que os apostadores tenham acesso a passeios de caça, façam atividades militares e brinquem de marinheiros quando não estiverem jogando... É o futuro, afinal não tem aqueles Spas que simulam treinamento militar para o pessoal de férias? Os chineses estão levando isso a um novo patamar.

[Enlil]

Espectáculo Obrigado Bolovo, já está nos favoritos!

Este "planeman" é um artista, aquele estudo comparativo dele dos PAs estava fenomenal!

X2. Também no favoritos

[Penguin]

TUESDAY, 19 JANUARY 2010
American intelligence goof-up: China navy assessment posted on web
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2010/01/ ... china.html

A map from the US Office of Naval Intelligence report on the People's Liberation Army (Navy), indicating the PLA(N)'s current deployment

by Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 19th Jan 09

A mistake by a US Navy intelligence official has given the world an unexpected peek into the secret world of China’s navy. The US Office for Naval Intelligence (ONI) committed the blunder of posting, on an open website, the agency’s assessment of the state of the Chinese navy. Before the ONI could rectify this indiscretion by pulling off the report, it had been downloaded and posted on a publicly accessible website.

The 47-page report, entitled, “A modern navy with Chinese characteristics”, is still posted on the website of the Federation of American Scientists, a policy advocacy body (http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/oni/pla-navy.pdf).

The ONI report analyses the capabilities and the future direction of the People’s Liberation Army (Navy), or PLA(N). Interestingly, the ONI assessment differs substantially with the conventional view --- widely prevalent in India and the Indian Navy --- of a China racing unstoppably towards naval superpower.

The assessment notes China’s recent deployment of Task Groups --- each consisting of two warships and a replenishment vessel --- for anti-piracy operations in the Gulf of Aden. This marks the first time in over 600 years that a Chinese flotilla has operated in waters beyond China’s immediate vicinity. But the report concludes, “none of these operations indicates a desire on the part of the PRC (People’s Republic of China) to develop a constant global presence. Beijing’s ambition appears to remain focused on the East Asian region, with an ability to protect the PRC’s maritime interests in distant seas when required.

The Chinese navy last went global during the Ming rule in the early 15th century, when the great Chinese admiral Zhang He --- incidentally a eunuch --- stamped the authority of the Chinese navy across the Indian Ocean, reaching to the shores of Africa. But, in 1435, China decided to focus inwards. Around 1477, by the emperor ordered the burning of records of Zhang’s seven great voyages, from 1405-1435. Thereafter, no further naval activity was permitted in the southern seas.

This inward focus continued through Mao’s revolutionary war, which brought the communists to power. Thereafter, a coastal navy was sufficient to enforce China’s claims over most of the East and South China Seas, and the need to deter Taiwan from declaring independence. But the US Navy’s dominating presence in the Asia-Pacific and need to protect China’s supply lines convince Beijing of the need for greater naval power. China’s Defence White Paper of 2008 calls for expanding the navy’s operating range, and a greater role in international security.

The PLA(N)’s most key acquisition, says the ONI report, is a sophisticated anti-air capability, which would allow its ships to operate in “distant seas”, far from land-based air-defence systems. The Luyang I class of destroyers, already formidable, have been followed by the Luyang II class and the Jiangkai II frigates, which are linked with an air-surveillance network as good as America’s world-standard Aegis system.

Submarines, both conventional and nuclear, will be a key deterrent in the PLA(N). The ONI report says that Beijing will replace its large number of low-tech submarines with “smaller numbers of modern, high-capability boats (submarines)”. But while the number of surface ships remains constant, today’s fleet of 62 submarines will increase over the next 10-15 years to 75.

[In that time-frame, India’s submarine fleet will be about one-third that of China’s.]

Most worrisome for the US Navy’s pre-eminence in the region, is the programme to develop the world’s first Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile (ASBM), a variant of China’s Dong Feng – 21 missile. The ONI report reveals that the ASBM’s peculiar flight path, involving a mid-course trajectory correction, will make it very difficult to intercept.

Despite the addition of high-tech platforms, US intelligence estimates that much of the PLA(N) will still remain outdated 10-15 years from now. Its surface ships will remain vulnerable to air attack, while command and control systems will still be relatively undeveloped. Therefore, while the PLA(N) will be gradually expanding beyond the South China Sea, it will focus on what Beijing calls, “military operations other than war.” These include protecting its international lines of supply, humanitarian relief, and naval diplomacy.


CHINA’S NAVY TODAY

Diesel attack submarines 53

Nuclear attack submarines 6

Nuclear ballistic missile submarines 3

Destroyers 26

Frigates 48

Amphibious ships 58

Coastal patrol missile boats 80+


ROADMAP FOR THE FUTURE

Move only gradually into international waters

Underway replenishment to increase 67%

Focus on better air defence capability, including aircraft carrier

Bigger, higher-technology submarine fleet

Need for better command and control systems

Current focus on “operations other than war”

[P44]

ao que parece será scrapiado...????

Monday, February 15, 2010
Latest "gutted" photos of the Type 052 Luhu class DDG 112 Harbin.
Funnel removed, Towed Array shielded, Electronics gone. Clearly, it is more than a standard mid-life refit.



http://china-defense.blogspot.com/2010/ ... -luhu.html

[WalterGaudério]

ao que parece será scrapiado...????

Monday, February 15, 2010
Latest "gutted" photos of the Type 052 Luhu class DDG 112 Harbin.
Funnel removed, Towed Array shielded, Electronics gone. Clearly, it is more than a standard mid-life refit.



http://china-defense.blogspot.com/2010/ ... -luhu.html

Pode ser um MLU. Ou mesmo a instalação de equipamentos especiais para testes.

[Francoorp]

É verdade P44. Esse cara é soda. No Mp.net dizem que ele é ex-CIA, ex-NSA hahaha.

Recomendo o blog dele, onde ele posta tudo.

http://planeman-bluffersguide.blogspot.com/

Muito legal o site do cara meu!!!

Entrei na pagina da Coreia do Norte sobre defesa anti-aerea e fiquei impressionado, fotos de satelites e analises(Curtas) sobre os AAA da coreia do norte... bem informado mesmo o elemento.

Vai a pag:

http://planeman-bluffersguide.blogspot. ... rea-i.html

[P44]

Pode ser um MLU. Ou mesmo a instalação de equipamentos especiais para testes.

pois...já li duas versões, no keypublishing comentam que o mais certo é ir para sucata devido ao pesadelo logistico que deve ser operar esses navios, com equipamento chinês, russo, francês e por aí fora.

num forum paquistanês falam de um "Refit"
http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-defe ... moved.html

está a causar estranheza porque é um navio relativamente recente...

[luis F. Silva]

pois...já li duas versões, no keypublishing comentam que o mais certo é ir para sucata devido ao pesadelo logistico que deve ser operar esses navios, com equipamento chinês, russo, francês e por aí fora.

Então quase todos os novos navios chineses vão para a sucata, porque quase todos têm isso em comum.
Deve-se tratar de uma manutenção geral programada..

[Corsário01]

Dá pra competir com os chineses ? rsrsrsrsrs

A falta de qualidade na construção poderá comprometer esses navios no futuro, mas, isso é importante para eles?

Será que seus navios de guerra seguem esta linha de construção?

Seria esta a razão da Marinha do Brasil não se sensibilizar por produtos chineses?

A resposta pode estar nestas imagens abaixo.

O que acham?

[WalterGaudério]

Dá pra competir com os chineses ? rsrsrsrsrs

A falta de qualidade na construção poderá comprometer esses navios no futuro, mas, isso é importante para eles?

Será que seus navios de guerra seguem esta linha de construção?

Seria esta a razão da Marinha do Brasil não se sensibilizar por produtos chineses?

A resposta pode estar nestas imagens abaixo.

O que acham?

Meu estimado Padilha, não sejas maldoso. Nunca ouviste(dos próprios chineses) que existe qualidade na quantidade...?

[P44]

Os chineses estão-se marimbando para o controle de qualidade, é um conceito que não lhes entra na cabeça