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saullo escreveu:Se num mundo imaginário nos fossem doados os 10 Rafale F-1, a MB pegava, revendia e comprava um montão de cacarecos, tipo uns 30 A-4, 10 S-2, modernizava e punha tudo no A-12...Aí ele ia ficar cheio...
Desculpe pessoal, sexta-feira de manhã...![[096]](./images/smilies/096.gif)
Abraços
X2...Marino escreveu:Não descartem os S-2.
Que deve recair sobre o italiano...Marino escreveu:Já escrevi, o problema não é o S-2, e sim o radar.
A MB e a Embraer estão trabalhando em conjunto para decidir sobre um radar mais moderno.
Eles receberam 10...kekosam escreveu:Quantos F1 a Aeronavale recebeu? Dez já deixarão de existir (virarão F3).
P44 escreveu:Naval Aviation: Rafale F1s to be Upgraded to F3 Standard from 2010
(Source: compiled by defense-aerospace.com; posted Nov. 27, 2009)
French defense minister Hervé Morin last week announced that 300 million euros will be spent to modernize the French Navy’s ten oldest Rafale Marine fighters, which were initially delivered to F1 standard. "We will proceed with the modernization of these aircraft to bring them to the same standard as the Rafale now emerging from the Dassault production line," Morin said during a visit last week to the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle.
Funded under the government’s Economic Recovery Plan, the retrofit program, originally expected around 2012, will now be brought forward to 2010. Ten F1 aircraft are concerned, which were delivered to the Naval Aviation from July 1999.
While aircraft M1 is still flying for the purpose of testing new equipment, M2 to M10 have been mothballed at the Landivisiau naval air station. Having only air defense capabilities, these aircraft have already undergone the upgrade to F3 standard. The idea is to keep the airframe and all suitable equipment, while removing obsolete parts and integrating these F1 aircraft into the F3 assembly line. The duration of a F1-to-F3 retrofit will be between 12 and 18 months.
This method will generate ten upgraded aircraft with which to gradually replace the Modernized Super Etendard (SEM) fighters now operated by squadron 11F and due for retirement.
While the rate of Rafale production for the French armed forces remains uncertain because of potential export orders, the Naval Aviation Command has as yet only received a small number of Rafale. After the accidental loss of M22 and M25 in September, only 16 Rafale remain in navy service. Two of them were directly delivered to Standard F3, while the others have been upgraded from F2 to F3 standard.
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PRick escreveu:P44 escreveu:Naval Aviation: Rafale F1s to be Upgraded to F3 Standard from 2010
(Source: compiled by defense-aerospace.com; posted Nov. 27, 2009)
French defense minister Hervé Morin last week announced that 300 million euros will be spent to modernize the French Navy’s ten oldest Rafale Marine fighters, which were initially delivered to F1 standard. "We will proceed with the modernization of these aircraft to bring them to the same standard as the Rafale now emerging from the Dassault production line," Morin said during a visit last week to the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle.
Funded under the government’s Economic Recovery Plan, the retrofit program, originally expected around 2012, will now be brought forward to 2010. Ten F1 aircraft are concerned, which were delivered to the Naval Aviation from July 1999.
While aircraft M1 is still flying for the purpose of testing new equipment, M2 to M10 have been mothballed at the Landivisiau naval air station. Having only air defense capabilities, these aircraft have already undergone the upgrade to F3 standard. The idea is to keep the airframe and all suitable equipment, while removing obsolete parts and integrating these F1 aircraft into the F3 assembly line. The duration of a F1-to-F3 retrofit will be between 12 and 18 months.
This method will generate ten upgraded aircraft with which to gradually replace the Modernized Super Etendard (SEM) fighters now operated by squadron 11F and due for retirement.
While the rate of Rafale production for the French armed forces remains uncertain because of potential export orders, the Naval Aviation Command has as yet only received a small number of Rafale. After the accidental loss of M22 and M25 in September, only 16 Rafale remain in navy service. Two of them were directly delivered to Standard F3, while the others have been upgraded from F2 to F3 standard.
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Pois é, essa notícia coloca uma pedra num monte de besteiras que foram ditas nesse tópico, e apenas evidência a oportunidade que a MB perdeu. Agora, vamos brincarmos com esses A-4.
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Concordo Nauta,a MB está na dela com sensatez,levando em conta,a uniformidade de meios futura,é a atitude correta,na minha forma de vêr,esta istorinha não está morta ainda,o fato desses exemplares estarem em vias da modernização não os afasta de um possível negocio com a MB,muito pelo contrário na minha visão se realmente o GF decidir pelo Rafale no FX,estarão em vias de virem pra cá sim,e no padrão F3 melhor ainda,devemos ter em conta que as negociações atuais do FX esbarram em aspectos do preço,e talvez vejamos alguns "extra" atenuantes desse preço sendo negociados,Kcs390 e quem sabe esses 10 exemplares com preços do retrofit bem abaixo do que estes que estão sendo divulgados de forma tão publica,quando até então fazem questão de esconder os preços de outras negociações,pois em negócios de grande porte isso é até natural.Lord Nauta escreveu:PRick escreveu:
Pois é, essa notícia coloca uma pedra num monte de besteiras que foram ditas nesse tópico, e apenas evidência a oportunidade que a MB perdeu. Agora, vamos brincarmos com esses A-4.
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Prezado Amigo
Nem tudo foi ''besteira''. Existia uma boa possibilidade em relação aos Rafale. Ocorreram conversas produtivas a respeito deste assunto. Entretanto o processo FX.2 não poderia ser ''atropelado''.
Sds
Lord Nauta
