MMRCA - FX Indiano

[Archer]

I Archer, Welcome!

I'm afraid isn't possible to do that. The only way I can see it possible is to translate text by text.

Anyway you should contact the administrator, Vinicius Pimenta and ask him that.

If you have any question about any topic you can do it in English, we will try to answer it in the best of our knowledge.

Can you make any contribution to enlighte us about the Indian Armed Forces procurement programs, namely the MMRCA, Scorpene and Pak.FA?

Welcome aboard again,

[[]]'s

Thank you my friend, for your welcome.

How do I contact Mr Pimenta, any assistance there will be welcome.

I can gladly answer any questions (to the best of my ability) about MMRCA, Scorpene, and the PAK-FA.

Well the good news is that MMRCA trials have finally started, with the F-16 now deafening the skies over Bangalore, but my heart belongs to the Rafale and the Eurofighter.

But given current politics, the present Govt of the day, which has decided the US is our new friend, may give the deal to the US.

One grace is that in recent days, our Prime Minister has been brought down to reality somewhat by some sharp talk from local security specialists and the reality of the new Obama administration, which has arms control as its new political mandate. So perhaps the Rafale, may still step in.

The Scorpene deal is delayed but work is ongoing. As always, local bureaucracy and some OEM smartness have combined to escalate the cost of the project, but it will go through as the Navy really needs those submarines. In terms of transfer of technology, we have/are really learning how to build the submarine "frame", whereas the inner systems and components are being supplied mostly by French and other vendors. In that respect, our recently launched nuclear submarine is a greater experience, since its sonars, combat suite and other electronics are of Indian design and development. The ultimate aim was to use the Scorpene for Project I or India to build our own local submarines, but that will have to wait, as the Navy will probably procure another six submarines from another vendor as interim, and then design its next generation local conventional submarine.

Traditionally, India Govt does not like spending on defence, and regards it as "unavoidable necessity" but the attacks in Mumbai on 26/11 and the Chinese issue are now showing even our most peace loving doves, that a certain amount of capability is essential. And so it goes!

About PAK-FA, I will have to dig up my sources and post a collation. Its a project of which we know the least about, as of current. And I am sure, the IAF will add a fair amount of capabilities to the original Russian aims, since it has its own way of thinking on these matters.

But I will post what I know, I tend to follow these matters closely, so might have something of interest to share.

Portugese (Translator)

Obrigado meu amigo, para o seu bem-vindos.

Como posso contactar o Sr. Pimenta, não há qualquer ajuda será bem-vinda.

Eu posso responder todas as perguntas com prazer (a melhor da minha capacidade) sobre MMRCA, Scorpene, eo PAK-FA.

Bem, a boa notícia é que os ensaios MMRCA finalmente começou, com o F-16 já ensurdecedor nos céus de Bangalore, mas meu coração pertence ao Rafale eo Eurofighter.

Mas, dada a política atual, o Govt presente do dia, que decidiu os E.U. é o nosso novo amigo, pode dar o negócio para os E.U..

Uma graça é que nos últimos dias, o nosso Primeiro-Ministro tenha sido trazida para a realidade um pouco por alguma conversa afiada de especialistas de segurança local e da realidade da nova administração Obama, que tem controle de armas como seu novo mandato político. Então, talvez, o Rafale, possam pisar ainda dentro

O negócio Scorpene é adiada, mas o trabalho está em curso. Como sempre, a burocracia local e alguma esperteza OEM combinaram-se para aumentar o custo do projeto, mas vai passar como a Marinha realmente precisa desses submarinos. Em termos de transferência de tecnologia, temos / são realmente aprender a construir o quadro de "submarino", enquanto os sistemas e componentes internos estão sendo fornecidos principalmente por fornecedores franceses e outros. A este respeito, o nosso submarino nuclear é lançada recentemente uma maior experiência, desde a sua sonares, suite de combate e outros equipamentos eletrônicos são de concepção indígena e desenvolvimento. O objectivo final era usar o Scorpene para o Projeto I ou Índia, para construir o nosso próprio submarinos locais, mas que vai ter que esperar, como a Marinha deve adquirir mais seis submarinos de outro fornecedor como interino, e em seguida, desenho a sua próxima geração local convencional submarino.

Tradicionalmente, a Índia Govt não gosta de gastar com a defesa, e considera-o como "necessidade incontornável", mas os atentados em Bombaim, em 26/11 ea questão chinesa estão mostrando agora pombas da paz até os nossos mais amoroso, que uma certa quantidade de capacidade é essencial . E assim vai!

Sobre o PAK-FA, vou ter que desenterrar minhas fontes e pós um agrupamento. É um projeto do que sabemos sobre o menos, a partir das correntes. E estou certo, a IAF vai adicionar uma quantidade justa de recursos para os objectivos iniciais russo, uma vez que tem sua própria maneira de pensar sobre estes assuntos.

Mas vou postar o que eu sei, eu tendem a seguir de perto essas questões, então pode ter algo interessante para compartilhar.

[Strike7]

Analyzing the requirements I believe the F-16 is likely to win ...

[Túlio]

How do I contact Mr Pimenta, any assistance there will be welcome.

His name is Vinicius Pimenta and appears in orange color - is the Administrator's color here - in all sections on the Forum's homer page. He is 'The Boss'. Just right-click the name and you'll be acessing his profile. So click the buttom MP (PM - Private Message, in portuguese Mensagem Privada) and send him a message exposing your doubts and asking for some solutions/ideas. He's a very nice guy and will try to help you.

Hope i have been helpful.

Cheers

[Archer]

^^^^

Thank you !!!!!

[moscou32]

Sabe concordo isso é q é programa de aquisição de caças,não é como o nosso q além de demorar um século ,quando ta perto de uma definição ela é mais politica do q técnica.

[Carlos Mathias]

E você pensa que lá vai ser diferente? Nunca foi.

[Junker]

Boeing assurance on ToT for production of F-18IN in India
29 October 2009



New Delhi: After successfully completing the second phase of trials for Indian Air Force's 126 medium range multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) tender , US firm Boeing Co said it was ready to transfer technology which would allow construction of its F/A-18IN Super Hornet fighter jets in India.

'We fully intend for Super Hornet to be built in India,' said Boeing Military Aircraft Integrated Defence Systems president Christopher M Chadwick here.

While the Indians generally maintain a free-flowing relationship with the Russians as far as transfer of technology is concerned, US firms are more tight-fisted and, given the lack of political goodwill amongst both nations, also more unreliable.

'We plan to build 18 aircraft in the US and from the 19th aircraft it will be built in India…. we will continue transfer of technology to India so that they not only assemble but make lots of part of the aircraft in India…. actually building the aircraft here,' Chadwick added.

Boeing and the Indians are aware that for transfer of American technology, prior approval of the US Congress required. It is fairly certain that award of the MMRCA contract to a US firm, either Boeing or Lockheed Martin, would eventually hinge around the level of technology transfers that the Americans are willing to allow with their aircraft.

Lockheed Martin, the world's biggest defence contractor, is in the running with the Block 60 version of the F-16, dubbed the F-16IN Super Viper. This is the most advanced version of the aircraft currently available and serves with the UAE air force.

Meanwhile, Boeing's offering for the Indian Air Force, the F/A-18IN, has completed the first two phases of trials. While the first phase was completed in the United States, the second phase was conducted at various locations around India - Bangalore, Jaisalmer and Leh.

The third phase of trials, which will be the weapons phase, will be held in February 2010 in the US.

The other aircraft competing for the $11 billion MMRCA tender are the Lockheed Martin F-16IN Super Viper, Dassault's Rafale, Saab's Gripen, Russia's MiG-35 and the European consortium EADS' Eurofighter Typhoon.

As per terms of the tender, the IAF will acquire 18 aircraft in fly-away condition, with the rest being manufactured by HAL under a technology transfer deal. There is a possibility of the size of the order being enhanced. The aircraft are meant to replace primarily the IAF's ageing fleet of MiG-21 Fishbed fighters.

http://www.domain-b.com/defence/general ... eView.html

[Penguin]

NOVEMBER 18, 2009, 4:07 A.M. ET
India Minister:$10B Fighter Jet Deal Trials Likely To End July

MUMBAI (Dow Jones)--Field trials by six aircraft makers--including Boeing Co. (BA) and Dassault Aviation SA (AM.FR)--for an estimated $10 billion Indian Air Force contract will likely be completed by July, an Indian minister said Wednesday.

"They (the trials) are expected to get over some time in June or July next year because testing has to be done across both the winter and summer seasons," M.M. Pallam Raju, junior defense minister, said on the sidelines of an industry conference.

Boeing is offering the F/A-18 fighter jet for the 126 multi-role combat aircraft deal, while Dassault has put up the Rafale.

Vivek Lall, vice president and India head for Boeing Integrated Defense Systems, said in October that the F/A-18 recently completed the second phase of trials in India's Leh, Jaisalmer and Bangalore areas.

The third phase will start in the U.S. in February.

Lockheed Martin Corp.'s (LMT) F-16 Falcon, Russian Aircraft Corp.'s MiG-35, Saab AB's (SAAB.B-SK) JAS-39 Gripen, as well as the Eurofighter Typhoon--produced by a consortium of European companies--are also competing for the contract.

India plans to buy the 126 jets, as well as advanced helicopters and other defense equipment, to modernize its mainly Soviet-vintage defense forces. The Indian Air Force has 1,700 aircraft, including helicopters and transport planes, according to its Web site.

India, which is among the world's top arms importers, has earmarked INR1.42 trillion as capital expenditure on defense for the current fiscal year through March 2010, up from INR1.06 trillion in the previous year.

Minister Raju said 30%-40% of this year's defense budget has been spent so far.

Under current rules, foreign companies which receive import orders in excess of INR3 billion must draw at least 30% of that order from domestic suppliers or make a similar sized investment within India, in what is known as an offset.

"The offset obligation for this (126-fighter jet) order is 50%," said Raju.

[Penguin]

DATE:16/11/09
SOURCE:Flight Daily News
Dubai 09: Boeing aims to win Indian deal with engine offer
By Stephen Trimble


Boeing has offered the Indian air force a more powerful new version of the General Electric F414 engine to bolster its bid to sell 126 F/A-18E/Fs for the medium multi-role combat aircraft programme.

Paul Oliver, Boeing's senior director for international business development, confirms the F414 enhanced performance engine (EPE) was submitted as part of Boeing's proposal to win the MMRCA contract.

Boeing first revealed plans for the Super Hornet engine upgrade last May, but declined at that time to confirm the EPE would be formally offered to the Indian air force.


The US Navy conceived the upgrade a few years ago as an enhanced durability engine, with new materials and designs to bolster its service life. Subsequently, Boeing and GE teamed up to add a 20% increase in thrust by improving the engine's hot section. Both the durability and thrust improvements will be included in the EPE package.

Boeing also is discussing the EPE upgrade with potential new Super Hornet customers, such as Brazil, and existing operators like the USN. The USN has yet to make even the enhanced durability part of the EPE upgrade a funded programme for the Super Hornet.

Boeing is competing for the MMRCA deal against rival bids by the Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-16IN, RSK MiG-35, Saab Gripen and Sukhoi Su-35.

[Carlos Mathias]

Santiago, é impressionante como apenas a Boeing faz ofertas de ToTs, motores, aval de boa fé, e etc...
Num tem nada dos outros concorrentes não?

[Penguin]

Santiago, é impressionante como apenas a Boeing faz ofertas de ToTs, motores, aval de boa fé, e etc...
Num tem nada dos outros concorrentes não?

Seu pedido será atendido...

India no realizará la modernización de sus Mirage 2000
De acuerdo a un informe de la prensa hindú, las negociaciones entre la compañía Dassault Aviation y el Ministerio de defensa de la India para la modernización de 51 cazas Mirage M2000 se han suspendido de manera abrupta debido a la negativa de la empresa a reducir el costo del programa de actualización de los cazas el cual está valorado en 2100 millones de dólares. De acuerdo a fuentes del ministerio de Defensa, el costo de actualización por cada aeronave de 41 millones de dólares no es aceptable por cuanto esta solo implica una modernización de la avionica y el radar, sin ningún tipo de cambio en el motor o el fuselaje. A pesar de haber pedido una nueva cotización en dos oportunidades, la compañía francesa no ha querido ceder.

Desde la IAF se ha especificados que, de acuerdo a las previsiones del programa MMRCA, cada aeronave tendría un costo promedio de 87 millones de dólares, en el cual se incluye la transferencia de tecnología e incluso los costos que tendría el montar la cadena de producción en la India.

Una vez amortizados los costos iniciales, cualquier pedido adicional del avión que resulte vencedor de la competencia del MMRCA tendría un costo más bajo por lo cual la India considera más razonable pedir ejemplares adicionales del nuevo caza antes que gastar en la modernización de una antigüedad como es el Mirage 2000.

Es por esto que el Ministerio de Defensa de la India evalúa la posibilidad de reemplazar los M2000 con dos escuadrones adicionales del MMRCA para un total de 42 unidades. Esta nueva idea se ha mostrado interesante para las compañías que concursan en el programa debido a que ello equivaldría una venta de un 40% más de aeronaves de las que inicialmente previstas lo que les obligaría a cambiar sus ofertas.

La posible modernización de los M2000 H/TH de la India lleva en estudio varios años lo mismo que las negociaciones. En un inicio se evaluó una oferta de Israel la cual fue desechada por considerarse muy cara. Posteriormente Dassault presentó una oferta de un programa de modernización valorado en 2900 millones de dólares el cual se redujo a 2100 millones a pedido de la India. Aun así el precio se considera muy elevado considerando los costos de otros cazas modernos como el Su-30 MKI.

La IAF normalmente ha sido un defensor de Dassault y su caza Mirage M2000, sin embargo esto ha cambiado durante los últimos años debido a la presión que ha ejercido la compañía francesa durante las dos últimas negociaciones al amenazar con una limitación en la dotación normal de repuestos para la flota de M2000. Esta conducta además pone a la compañía en una situación difícil frente al programa MMRCA en el cual ofrece el caza Rafale.

Fonte: http://airvoila.com/india-no-realizara- ... rage-2000/

[czarccc]

DATE:16/11/09
SOURCE:Flight Daily News
Dubai 09: Boeing aims to win Indian deal with engine offer
By Stephen Trimble


Boeing has offered the Indian air force a more powerful new version of the General Electric F414 engine to bolster its bid to sell 126 F/A-18E/Fs for the medium multi-role combat aircraft programme.

Paul Oliver, Boeing's senior director for international business development, confirms the F414 enhanced performance engine (EPE) was submitted as part of Boeing's proposal to win the MMRCA contract.

Boeing first revealed plans for the Super Hornet engine upgrade last May, but declined at that time to confirm the EPE would be formally offered to the Indian air force.


The US Navy conceived the upgrade a few years ago as an enhanced durability engine, with new materials and designs to bolster its service life. Subsequently, Boeing and GE teamed up to add a 20% increase in thrust by improving the engine's hot section. Both the durability and thrust improvements will be included in the EPE package.

Boeing also is discussing the EPE upgrade with potential new Super Hornet customers, such as Brazil, and existing operators like the USN. The USN has yet to make even the enhanced durability part of the EPE upgrade a funded programme for the Super Hornet.

Boeing is competing for the MMRCA deal against rival bids by the Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-16IN, RSK MiG-35, Saab Gripen and Sukhoi Su-35.

Essa EDE ou a EPE são as GE F-414-402? Me lembro que essa 402 foi oferecida à Austrália. Se ela comprou ou não, já não sei.

[Luís Henrique]

Essa nova F-414 que eu queria ver no Gripen NG.

Aliás, o que eu queria mesmo era um Gripen NG com essa turbina (12.000 kg/F de empuxo) e com baias internas de armamento semelhante ao F-15SE. Com 14,8 m de comprimento (tamanho do biplace) para o monoplace e com MAIS combustivel no lugar do segundo tripulante.

A Embraer poderia comprar a SAAB e fazer um Gripen assim de 5ª geração.

[Penguin]

Indian Navy keen to buy newer generation aircraft
http://www.newkerala.com/nkfullnews-1-155649.html

By Gulshan R. Luthra, New Delhi, Nov 22 : The Indian Navy has floated a Request for Information (RFI) for a newer generation of aircraft which can operate from the two indigenous aircraft carriers it will commission over the next 10 years.


The Ministry of Defence and industry sources indicate that the RFI, issued recently, is of a "generic" nature, looking for newer platforms and airborne technologies and what is on offer from some of the well-known manufacturers. The US Boeing and French Dassault have confirmed receipt of the RFI for their respective F18 Super Hornet and Rafale.

The number of newer generation aircraft is yet to be decided.

According to the coming issue of India Strategic defence magazine, the new generation aircraft will be in addition to the 45 Mig-29Ks the navy is buying from Russia, 16 of which were ordered in 2004 along with Admiral Gorshkov. The Mig-29K is a modernized naval variant of the Mig-29 operational with the Indian Air Force (IAF).

The order for an additional 29 Mig-29Ks is being processed, and is likely to be placed shortly after price negotiations and delivery schedule are worked out.

There should be no delay from Russia on the supply of the Mig-29Ks although it has delayed the delivery of Gorshkov by four years and is also demanding an extra $1.2 billion over and above the contract price of $974 million. The old carrier was given free and the price was for repairing and refurbishing the vessel which was damaged in an onboard fire accident.

The Super Hornet, a successor of the earlier Hornet, was introduced in 1998 for the US Navy while Rafale, a successor of the old Mirage 2005, has both air force and naval versions already operational. Both these aircraft are also competing for the nearly 200 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (M-MRCA) requirement of the Indian Air Force.

Eurofighter Vice President and Head of India Campaign Directorate Dr Matthias Schmidlin told India Strategic that while he could not confirm receipt of the RFI for the naval variant of Eurofighter, his company would bid for the Indian Navy's requirement if invited.

In fact, he pointed out, Eurofighter is the only aircraft among the six contenders for the IAF order which would have thrust vectoring capability in the coming years. Thrust vectoring capability allows an aircraft to stand still in the air, and takeoff and land even in vertical mode like a helicopter.

Some 200 Eurofighters have been produced so far, predominantly to meet the requirements of participating nations which include Germany, Britain, Spain and Italy.

Thrust vectoring is being developed and would be operational on Eurofighters within the first half of the next decade, Dr Schmidlin said.

Harrier, which India bought in the late 1970s from Britain, was the first aircraft with thrust vectoring. The Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), being developed by Lockheed Martin for US Air Force and Navy for the coming years, will have this capability.

Besides Boeing, Dassault and Eurofighter, the other contenders in the IAF competition are Mig-35 (a newer version of Mig-29), Gripen from Sweden and F 16 Viper IN (US Lockheed Martin).

The Indian naval brass is reportedly only doing a bit of loud thinking on its new requirement, but if it formally opens the competition in the coming years, it would add a new dimension to the IAF's ongoing contest.

IAF's Request for Proposals (or tenders), is for a firm order for 126 aircraft and for 63 more as an option at the same price. Given the continuing fall in the number of IAF squadrons due to the obsolescence of its largely Soviet-vintage aircraft, a repeat order for at least 100 more MRCAs is likely.

If the Indian Navy chooses the same aircraft, then it would be a bonus for the supplier, and also for HAL, which would be the lead integrator for Transfer of Technology (ToT) and 50 percent offset mandatory in the RfP.

Procedurally, the Navy would also find it easier to buy the same aircraft without opening an international competition, as it would be a follow-on order requiring no multi-vendor bid.

The Indian Navy has one small aircraft carrier, INS Viraat, which has recently been refitted and modernized for life-extension. There are a dozen old Harriers to operate from its deck, while Gorshkov will be available in 2012 or 2013.

Notably, Gorshkov is a 44,000-tonne carrier while India's first indigenous aircraft carrier, being built at Kochi, will only have about 37,000-tonne displacement. The second carrier, already sanctioned by the government, could be modified to be a little bigger.

Both these carriers are being designed by Italy's Fincantieri.

It may also be noted that both Eurofighter and Rafale are smaller in size than the F 18 Super Hornet, which operate from very large US aircraft carriers floating in all the oceans.

But Boeing IDS' Head for India, Dr Vivek Lall, told India Strategic that Boeing had done a computer simulation to verify that the Super Hornet could operate from Gorshkov and Indian carriers as and when they are commissioned.

[knigh7]

India no realizará la modernización de sus Mirage 2000
De acuerdo a un informe de la prensa hindú, las negociaciones entre la compañía Dassault Aviation y el Ministerio de defensa de la India para la modernización de 51 cazas Mirage M2000 se han suspendido de manera abrupta debido a la negativa de la empresa a reducir el costo del programa de actualización de los cazas el cual está valorado en 2100 millones de dólares. De acuerdo a fuentes del ministerio de Defensa, el costo de actualización por cada aeronave de 41 millones de dólares no es aceptable por cuanto esta solo implica una modernización de la avionica y el radar, sin ningún tipo de cambio en el motor o el fuselaje. A pesar de haber pedido una nueva cotización en dos oportunidades, la compañía francesa no ha querido ceder.

Desde la IAF se ha especificados que, de acuerdo a las previsiones del programa MMRCA, cada aeronave tendría un costo promedio de 87 millones de dólares, en el cual se incluye la transferencia de tecnología e incluso los costos que tendría el montar la cadena de producción en la India.

Una vez amortizados los costos iniciales, cualquier pedido adicional del avión que resulte vencedor de la competencia del MMRCA tendría un costo más bajo por lo cual la India considera más razonable pedir ejemplares adicionales del nuevo caza antes que gastar en la modernización de una antigüedad como es el Mirage 2000.

Es por esto que el Ministerio de Defensa de la India evalúa la posibilidad de reemplazar los M2000 con dos escuadrones adicionales del MMRCA para un total de 42 unidades. Esta nueva idea se ha mostrado interesante para las compañías que concursan en el programa debido a que ello equivaldría una venta de un 40% más de aeronaves de las que inicialmente previstas lo que les obligaría a cambiar sus ofertas.

La posible modernización de los M2000 H/TH de la India lleva en estudio varios años lo mismo que las negociaciones. En un inicio se evaluó una oferta de Israel la cual fue desechada por considerarse muy cara. Posteriormente Dassault presentó una oferta de un programa de modernización valorado en 2900 millones de dólares el cual se redujo a 2100 millones a pedido de la India. Aun así el precio se considera muy elevado considerando los costos de otros cazas modernos como el Su-30 MKI.

La IAF normalmente ha sido un defensor de Dassault y su caza Mirage M2000, sin embargo esto ha cambiado durante los últimos años debido a la presión que ha ejercido la compañía francesa durante las dos últimas negociaciones al amenazar con una limitación en la dotación normal de repuestos para la flota de M2000. Esta conducta además pone a la compañía en una situación difícil frente al programa MMRCA en el cual ofrece el caza Rafale.

Fonte: http://airvoila.com/india-no-realizara- ... rage-2000/

Pessoal,

Alguém sabe mais sobre a justificativa da cancela do projeto de modernização dos M2000 indianos?
Há alguma outra versão de justificativa, ou foi essa mesmo, cujo destaque coloquei??
(Se tiver outra versão, seria interessante apontar a fonte)