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Gostei desse projeto de Marinha da França .
A do Brasil deveria ser pelo menos isso.
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http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=108894&u=6128Premier tir de missile Aster 30 à partir de la frégate Forbin
La frégate Forbin
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26/11/2008
Selon nos informations, la frégate de défense aérienne Forbin a réalisé, hier, son tout premier tir d'Aster 30. Le missile a été tiré contre une cible aérienne alors que le bâtiment évoluait au large du centre d'essais et de lancement de missiles du Levant (DGA). Après ce premier tir, les différents paramètres de vol et de fonctionnement vont être dépouillés par les ingénieurs.
Principal moyen de lutte anti-missile des frégates Horizon, l'Aster 30, développé par MBDA, affiche une portée pouvant dépasser 100 kilomètres. Chaque frégate embarque 32 munitions de ce type, auxquelles s'ajoutent 16 missiles Aster 15, d'une portée de 30 kilomètres. En tout, quatre bâtiments du type Horizon ont été construits, deux par DCNS pour le compte de la Marine nationale (Forbin et Chevalier Paul) et deux autres par Fincantieri pour la marine italienne (Andrea Doria et Caio Duilio).
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Plano de Recuperação da Economia Francesa acelera construção de um 3º BPC...com possibilidades de um 4º!!!!!!
http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=109002Les futurs BPC et bâtiments logistiques de la marine construits à Saint-Nazaire ?
11/12/2008
Enfin une bonne nouvelle pour la marine et les chantiers de Saint-Nazaire. Dans le cadre du plan de relance de l'économie lancé par le président de la République, le ministère de la Défense va disposer d'une rallonge budgétaire. Hervé Morin a indiqué que cette enveloppe pourrait permettre la commande anticipée du troisième bâtiment de projection et de commandement (BPC) du type Mistral (coût estimé à environ 300 millions d'euros). Les deux premières unités, les Mistral et Tonnerre, ont été coréalisés par DCNS et les Chantiers de l'Atlantique. Livrés en 2006 et 2007, ces navires ont été réalisés en deux parties. Les moitiés avant, réalisées à Saint-Nazaire en 2003 et 2004, avaient été remorquées à Brest où elles avaient été soudées aux parties arrières, assemblées par DCNS à partir de blocs produits en Pologne. Pour le troisième BPC, un tel montage ne devrait pas se reproduire, les chantiers nazairiens (aujourd'hui STX France) assurant sans doute la totalité de la construction. Cette commande permettrait de combler le trou de charge prévu à partir de la fin 2009. Si rien n'est encore acté, une notification est espérée l'an prochain pour une réalisation dans la foulée. « Nous avons commencé à travailler avec DCNS pour mettre en route ce projet et présenter une offre », explique Jacques Hardelay, directeur général de STX France, dont l'Etat a récemment pris 33% du capital. En période de crise, où les commandes de paquebots (activité principale de Saint-Nazaire) sont en sommeil, les pouvoirs publics devraient donc donner un coup de pousse à l'industriel, qui espère en parallèle voir se relancer rapidement le projet de second porte-avions. Nicolas Sarkozy avait indiqué en juin que la décision de construire, ou non, ce navire était renvoyée à 2011 ou 2012. Toutefois, si la situation à Saint-Nazaire devenait critique, on imagine mal comment le chef de l'Etat n'autoriserait pas cette commande salutaire (plusieurs années de charge assurées). Les syndicats, comme les élus locaux, inquiets de l'avenir des chantiers, appellaient d'ailleurs le gouvernement à soutenir l'activité industrielle en cette période délicate. « Ce serait intéressant de pouvoir réaliser à Saint-Nazaire ces navires militaires. Cela permettrait de combler le déficit de travail, notamment dans les bureaux d'études », estime Marie-Odile Bouillé, députée de Loire Atlantique.
Un troisième... et un quatrième BPC en jeu
Concernant le projet BPC, il convient de noter que le troisième bateau doit être suivi par un quatrième navire du même type (4 BPC sont prévus dans le nouveau modèle d'armée défini par le Livre Blanc et entériné par le projet de loi de programmation militaire). Les deux nouveaux bâtiments viendront remplacer les transports de chalands de débarquement Foudre et Sirocco, mis en service en 1990 et 1998. Afin de permettre à la marine de réaliser des économies d'échelle et de pouvoir vendre d'occasion ces TCD, la commande groupée des BPC 3 et 4 n'est d'ailleurs pas à exclure. STX pourrait, en outre, bénéficier d'éventuels contrats remportés à l'export par DCNS. Le groupe naval français cherche notamment à placer le concept du BPC en Afrique du Sud et pourquoi pas au Canada et au Portugal.
Pour mémoire, le Mistral mesure 199 mètres de long pour un déplacement de 21.500 tonnes en charge. Doté d'un centre de commandement et d'importantes infrastructures hospitalières, il peut transporter 16 hélicoptères, 450 soldats, 70 véhicules (dont 13 chars Leclerc) et 4 chalands de débarquement. Construit aux normes civiles, il est notamment équipé de cabines dérivées de celles installées sur les paquebots. C'est pourquoi la partie avant de ce bâtiment, faite à Saint-Nazaire, comprenait les « locaux vie » et l'hôpital embarqué
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E continua a saga do Charles de Gaulle (para alegria do Talha).
Le porte-avions Charles de Gaulle immobilisé jusqu'à "plusieurs mois"
Le porte-avions Charles de Gaulle immobilisé jusqu'à "plusieurs mois"
PARIS (AFP) — Le porte-avions nucléaire Charles de Gaulle devra être immobilisé "entre plusieurs semaines et plusieurs mois" à la suite de la découverte d'une usure "anormale" de pièces sur les arbres de transmission du système de propulsion, a indiqué la Marine vendredi.
Le "programme d'activité à la mer" du navire a été suspendu après "le constat de l'usure anormale de deux pièces mécaniques d'entraînement des lignes d'arbres", a indiqué le service de communication de la Marine dans un communiqué, confirmant les informations du blog "secret défense" du quotidien Libération.
L'anomalie a été détectée en raison de "vibrations élevées dans le compartiment de propulsion" et "après examen, deux pièces d'accouplement reliant deux des quatre turbines du Charles De Gaulle à leurs lignes d'arbres se sont révélées anormalement usées".
Des "examens complémentaires" vont être réalisés et la "durée d'immobilisation pourrait durer entre plusieurs semaines et plusieurs mois", précise la Marine.
Après un an et demi de travaux pour sa première grande révision périodique, le Charles de Gaulle avait repris la mer en novembre et menait depuis un programme d'entraînement qui devait permettre de le déclarer de nouveau opérationnel à la fin du printemps.
Le navire avait connu des problèmes avec son système de propulsion avant même sa première mise en service officielle, en 2001. Une hélice s'était brisée lors d'essais en novembre 2000.
cumprimentos.
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CAMPANHA ANTI-FLOOD: OU POSTA KÔZA QUE PRESTE, QUE VÁ SOMAR, OU FICA SÓ LENDO. CHAT É NO MSN & QUETALES!!! by Túlio
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CAMPANHA ANTI-FLOOD: OU POSTA KÔZA QUE PRESTE, QUE VÁ SOMAR, OU FICA SÓ LENDO. CHAT É NO MSN & QUETALES!!! by Túlio
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Olha aí a Marinha Francesa ultrapassando a RN, quem diria, o Alte Nelson deve estar se revirando no caixão!
Le ministère de la Défense double ses commandes en 2009
SNA du type Barracuda
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18/03/2009
Cette année, le ministère de la Défense va doubler ses commandes à l'industrie d'armement. En tout, quelques 20 milliards d'euros seront notifiés, contre un peu moins de 10 milliards l'an dernier. Cette augmentation conséquente des crédits d'investissement est la conséquence de l'entrée en vigueur de la première annuité de la nouvelle loi de programmation militaire. Vient, de plus, s'ajouter une part du plan de relance de l'Economie, lancé par le gouvernement pour soutenir l'industrie face aux conséquences de la crise. Dans ce cadre, 1.4 milliard d'euros supplémentaires sont affectés à la Défense, y compris dans des projets de recherche et développement.
Parmi les gros contrats attendus cette année, figure une quatrième commande pour le Rafale de Dassault Aviation. Ce lot doit comprendre 60 appareils, dont 9 pour l'aéronautique navale.
Frégates, SNA et BPC
Les futurs moyens de la Marine nationale doivent être complétés avec trois Frégates Européennes Multi-Missions, soit une en version anti-sous-marine et deux à vocation antiaérienne. Faisant suite à celui de 2005, ce nouveau contrat portera à 11 le nombre de FREMM devant être réalisées par DCNS. La première, l'Aquitaine, est en cours d'assemblage à Lorient pour une livraison en 2012. Comme prévu par le projet de loi de finances 2009, DCNS doit également se voir notifier le second des six nouveaux sous-marins nucléaires d'attaque (SNA) du type Barracuda. La tête de série, le Suffren, est actuellement en construction à Cherbourg pour une livraison en 2017.
Les crédits affectés au plan de relance de l'Economie permettront, en parallèle, de financer la commande du troisième bâtiment de projection et de commandement (BPC) du type Mistral. Ce navire sera commandé en avril et livré en 2012 par les chantiers STX de Saint-Nazaire.
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Recovery Plan: Order Placed for Third Projection and Command Vessel
(Source: DCNS; issued April 16, 2009)
The newly-ordered third Mistral-class amphibious warfare ship will begin its sea trials in May 2011, and is due to be commissioned into service in 2012. (French navy photo)
As part of the [French] Government’s [economic] recovery plan, STX France and DCNS have been awarded the contract to build the French Navy’s third Projection and Command Vessel (BPC) for the French Navy.
Work on the third BPC was launched today in Saint-Nazaire by Hervé Morin, the Defence Minister and Patrick Devedjian, Minister in charge of implementing the recovery plan.
In line with the recovery plan initiated by the Government in order to face up to the challenges of the world economic crisis, the order of the third Projection and Command Vessel called for the creation of a tailor-made industrial organizational structure in order to achieve the budgetary objective fixed by the state. It therefore not only meets the operational objectives of every new ship ordered by the government but also the specific economic objectives of the recovery plan.
With this in mind, it taps into the respective skills of STX France and DCNS. STX France, the prime contractor for the project, will build the platform and fit-out the ship and DCNS, its co-contractor, will produce its combat system.
Due to the extremely tight economic constraints that characterize this project, the ship will be built solely on the Saint-Nazaire site. In fact, the sharing of the construction of the platform between two production sites would have generated additional costs - in particular for transport, interfacing and tests - which would have made it impossible to meet the budgetary target fixed by the Government.
STX France, in charge of the overall coordination of the project for the industrial part, will build the whole of the propelled platform including the fitting out of equipment onboard. This represents 75% of the vessel value. Once trials are completed, BPC 3 will move to Toulon under its own power.
DCNS will manufacture and integrate the combat system, which includes communications, navigation and combat management systems. The tasks involved in its production demand high value added skill levels, in order to enable the BPC to conduct its operational missions, and represent a quarter of the overall cost of the ship.
199 metres in length, with a displacement of 21,000 tons and a speed of 19 knots, the BPCs are distinguished by their large carrying capacity: 450 troops, 16 heavy-lift helicopters, 2 hovercraft, 4 LCMs (landing craft) or a third of a mechanized regiment (1,000 tons), which they are able to deploy worldwide. They are equipped with electric pod propulsion and their high level of automation enables the size of their crew to be reduced to 160. They also boast an on-board hospital for large-scale humanitarian missions. Their particularly advanced communications system, 3D surveillance radar and combat management system (Senit 9) make them ideal platforms for commanding a naval task force.
The first two BPCs, Mistral and Tonnere, built by DCNS and Chantiers de l'Atlantique, were delivered in 2006 and 2007.
A few words about the partners:
STX Europe ASA (former Aker Yards ASA) is an international shipbuilding group which aims to be the leading builder of cruise and offshore vessels. The group has a strong position in terms of developing state-of-the-art concepts, technology, processes and products for customers around the world. STX Europe ASA comprises 15 shipyards in Finland, France, Norway, Romania, Brazil and Vietnam, and is also a part owner of three yards in Germany and Ukraine. STX Europe has approx. 16 000 employees. Formerly known as Aker Yards ASA, the group changed its name to STX Europe in November 2008.
The DCNS group is one of Europe's leading players on the international naval defence systems market. In order to meet an ever-more comprehensive and integrated demand, DCNS acts as prime contractor for warships and their support vessels, using its own development, marketing and production resources backed up by those of selected partners.
In order to master the complexity of warship production, DCNS applies it expertise in naval architecture, in the engineering of the warship's principal systems, in the management of assembly and outfitting yards, in the production of special equipment and in support in operational service. The DCNS group has a workforce of 13,000 and a turnover of approximately 2.8 billion Euros.
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(Source: DCNS; issued April 16, 2009)
The newly-ordered third Mistral-class amphibious warfare ship will begin its sea trials in May 2011, and is due to be commissioned into service in 2012. (French navy photo)
As part of the [French] Government’s [economic] recovery plan, STX France and DCNS have been awarded the contract to build the French Navy’s third Projection and Command Vessel (BPC) for the French Navy.
Work on the third BPC was launched today in Saint-Nazaire by Hervé Morin, the Defence Minister and Patrick Devedjian, Minister in charge of implementing the recovery plan.
In line with the recovery plan initiated by the Government in order to face up to the challenges of the world economic crisis, the order of the third Projection and Command Vessel called for the creation of a tailor-made industrial organizational structure in order to achieve the budgetary objective fixed by the state. It therefore not only meets the operational objectives of every new ship ordered by the government but also the specific economic objectives of the recovery plan.
With this in mind, it taps into the respective skills of STX France and DCNS. STX France, the prime contractor for the project, will build the platform and fit-out the ship and DCNS, its co-contractor, will produce its combat system.
Due to the extremely tight economic constraints that characterize this project, the ship will be built solely on the Saint-Nazaire site. In fact, the sharing of the construction of the platform between two production sites would have generated additional costs - in particular for transport, interfacing and tests - which would have made it impossible to meet the budgetary target fixed by the Government.
STX France, in charge of the overall coordination of the project for the industrial part, will build the whole of the propelled platform including the fitting out of equipment onboard. This represents 75% of the vessel value. Once trials are completed, BPC 3 will move to Toulon under its own power.
DCNS will manufacture and integrate the combat system, which includes communications, navigation and combat management systems. The tasks involved in its production demand high value added skill levels, in order to enable the BPC to conduct its operational missions, and represent a quarter of the overall cost of the ship.
199 metres in length, with a displacement of 21,000 tons and a speed of 19 knots, the BPCs are distinguished by their large carrying capacity: 450 troops, 16 heavy-lift helicopters, 2 hovercraft, 4 LCMs (landing craft) or a third of a mechanized regiment (1,000 tons), which they are able to deploy worldwide. They are equipped with electric pod propulsion and their high level of automation enables the size of their crew to be reduced to 160. They also boast an on-board hospital for large-scale humanitarian missions. Their particularly advanced communications system, 3D surveillance radar and combat management system (Senit 9) make them ideal platforms for commanding a naval task force.
The first two BPCs, Mistral and Tonnere, built by DCNS and Chantiers de l'Atlantique, were delivered in 2006 and 2007.
A few words about the partners:
STX Europe ASA (former Aker Yards ASA) is an international shipbuilding group which aims to be the leading builder of cruise and offshore vessels. The group has a strong position in terms of developing state-of-the-art concepts, technology, processes and products for customers around the world. STX Europe ASA comprises 15 shipyards in Finland, France, Norway, Romania, Brazil and Vietnam, and is also a part owner of three yards in Germany and Ukraine. STX Europe has approx. 16 000 employees. Formerly known as Aker Yards ASA, the group changed its name to STX Europe in November 2008.
The DCNS group is one of Europe's leading players on the international naval defence systems market. In order to meet an ever-more comprehensive and integrated demand, DCNS acts as prime contractor for warships and their support vessels, using its own development, marketing and production resources backed up by those of selected partners.
In order to master the complexity of warship production, DCNS applies it expertise in naval architecture, in the engineering of the warship's principal systems, in the management of assembly and outfitting yards, in the production of special equipment and in support in operational service. The DCNS group has a workforce of 13,000 and a turnover of approximately 2.8 billion Euros.
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Order for the Second Barracuda Attack Submarine
(Source: French Ministry of Defense; issued June 26, 2009)
(Issued in French only; unofficial translation by defense-aerospace.com)
PARIS --- Hervé Morin, the minister of defence, today announced the order for the second Barracuda-class nuclear attack submarine. The Barracuda program, which calls for the delivery of six boats between 2017 and 2028, is valued at 7.9 billion euros and will provide work for several thousand people through its production phase.
The French defence procurement agency, Délégation générale pour l’armement (DGA), today awarded to DCNS and AREVA-TA the order for the second Barracuda-class next-generation nuclear attack submarine, as planned in the umbrella contract awarded on Dec. 21, 2006.
In parallel, the assembly of the lead boat, Suffren, also began on June 26 with the welding of the first two sections of its aft hull.
Characterized by their low detectability and their “hunt and kill” capabilities, nuclear attack submarines are deployed on all maritime theaters of operation (Atlantic, Mediterranean, Indian Ocean, etc.).
The Barracuda program is intended to gradually replace the six Rubis-class boats now in service with the French navy. The Barracuda will be armed with the future Artemis heavyweight torpedo, the Exocet anti-ship missile and the future naval cruise missile. They will also be able to deploy special forces and their equipment.
Construction of the Barracuda submarines will generate a significant part of the workload of DCNA, AREVA-TS, Atomic Energy Commission (CEA) and over 100 small and medium enterprises until 2027.
The DCNS group, prime contractor for the entire program, will involve its facilities in Cherbourg, Nantes-Indret, Ruelle and Toulon-Le Mourillon in the program, as well as private companies operating in their employment areas.
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(Source: French Ministry of Defense; issued June 26, 2009)
(Issued in French only; unofficial translation by defense-aerospace.com)
PARIS --- Hervé Morin, the minister of defence, today announced the order for the second Barracuda-class nuclear attack submarine. The Barracuda program, which calls for the delivery of six boats between 2017 and 2028, is valued at 7.9 billion euros and will provide work for several thousand people through its production phase.
The French defence procurement agency, Délégation générale pour l’armement (DGA), today awarded to DCNS and AREVA-TA the order for the second Barracuda-class next-generation nuclear attack submarine, as planned in the umbrella contract awarded on Dec. 21, 2006.
In parallel, the assembly of the lead boat, Suffren, also began on June 26 with the welding of the first two sections of its aft hull.
Characterized by their low detectability and their “hunt and kill” capabilities, nuclear attack submarines are deployed on all maritime theaters of operation (Atlantic, Mediterranean, Indian Ocean, etc.).
The Barracuda program is intended to gradually replace the six Rubis-class boats now in service with the French navy. The Barracuda will be armed with the future Artemis heavyweight torpedo, the Exocet anti-ship missile and the future naval cruise missile. They will also be able to deploy special forces and their equipment.
Construction of the Barracuda submarines will generate a significant part of the workload of DCNA, AREVA-TS, Atomic Energy Commission (CEA) and over 100 small and medium enterprises until 2027.
The DCNS group, prime contractor for the entire program, will involve its facilities in Cherbourg, Nantes-Indret, Ruelle and Toulon-Le Mourillon in the program, as well as private companies operating in their employment areas.
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French horror as Joan of Arc to be 'killed' by English again
French naval chiefs reacted with horror after it was announced that one of the country's best-loved warships, the Jeanne-d'Arc, is to be sent to England to be broken up.
By Henry Samuel in Paris
Published: 6:25PM BST 13 Jul 2009
The French navy helicopter carrier Jeanne D'Arc Photo: AFP / GETTY
One senior officer said that the prospect of the ship being "burned, martyred and dismembered" in England would be too much to stomach after the old enemy's earlier hand in the death at the stake in 1431 of France's national heroine, after whom the ship is named.
The ageing vessel, which is used by the French as a "floating embassy" in a similar role as the decommissioned Royal Yacht Britannia, is due to embark on its 45th and final world tour, after which it will be dismantled. Able UK, the British shipbreakers based on the River Tees, is reportedly in pole position to win the tender.
The Jeanne-d'Arc has come to symbolise the soul of the French navy, and has been used as a training vessel for all French sailors since 1964.
"Joan of Arc is the heart of the French nation," said Pierre-François Forissier, the French navy's chief-of-staff.
The idea that it might end its life on English soil was, according to naval officials cited by the newspaper Le Monde, "sad, painful, even unimaginable".
Many officers privately expressed a preference for the 13,000-ton boat being scuttled rather than taken apart by English hands. However, this is against international regulations, particular as it is constructed with dangerous materials, including asbestos.
Those prepared to speak on the record were more diplomatic.
"The English are Europeans after all, we have the same values," said Vice-Admiral Hubert Jouot, in charge of decommissioning French vessels.
"But, every now and then, a certain national pride manifests itself, like in sporting competitions."
Plans to turn the boat into a museum or a heliport in Saint-Tropez have foundered.
Able UK was recently chosen to dismantle another rusting French warship, the Clemenceau.
Vice-admiral Jouot warned fellow navy officials to stop getting sentimental over the Jeanne-d'Arc's fate. "We must stop being emotional; we will follow the public markets procedures. The best placed in the competition will win," he said.
Joan of Arc, a peasant girl born in eastern France, asserted that she had visions from God that told her to regain her homeland from English domination late in the Hundred Years' War.
She led the French army to a string of key victories that helped Charles VII be crowned King of France at Reims. However, she was captured by the Burgundians, sold to the English, tried by an ecclesiastical court and burned at the stake at the age of 19. She was later canonised.
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French naval chiefs reacted with horror after it was announced that one of the country's best-loved warships, the Jeanne-d'Arc, is to be sent to England to be broken up.
By Henry Samuel in Paris
Published: 6:25PM BST 13 Jul 2009
The French navy helicopter carrier Jeanne D'Arc Photo: AFP / GETTY
One senior officer said that the prospect of the ship being "burned, martyred and dismembered" in England would be too much to stomach after the old enemy's earlier hand in the death at the stake in 1431 of France's national heroine, after whom the ship is named.
The ageing vessel, which is used by the French as a "floating embassy" in a similar role as the decommissioned Royal Yacht Britannia, is due to embark on its 45th and final world tour, after which it will be dismantled. Able UK, the British shipbreakers based on the River Tees, is reportedly in pole position to win the tender.
The Jeanne-d'Arc has come to symbolise the soul of the French navy, and has been used as a training vessel for all French sailors since 1964.
"Joan of Arc is the heart of the French nation," said Pierre-François Forissier, the French navy's chief-of-staff.
The idea that it might end its life on English soil was, according to naval officials cited by the newspaper Le Monde, "sad, painful, even unimaginable".
Many officers privately expressed a preference for the 13,000-ton boat being scuttled rather than taken apart by English hands. However, this is against international regulations, particular as it is constructed with dangerous materials, including asbestos.
Those prepared to speak on the record were more diplomatic.
"The English are Europeans after all, we have the same values," said Vice-Admiral Hubert Jouot, in charge of decommissioning French vessels.
"But, every now and then, a certain national pride manifests itself, like in sporting competitions."
Plans to turn the boat into a museum or a heliport in Saint-Tropez have foundered.
Able UK was recently chosen to dismantle another rusting French warship, the Clemenceau.
Vice-admiral Jouot warned fellow navy officials to stop getting sentimental over the Jeanne-d'Arc's fate. "We must stop being emotional; we will follow the public markets procedures. The best placed in the competition will win," he said.
Joan of Arc, a peasant girl born in eastern France, asserted that she had visions from God that told her to regain her homeland from English domination late in the Hundred Years' War.
She led the French army to a string of key victories that helped Charles VII be crowned King of France at Reims. However, she was captured by the Burgundians, sold to the English, tried by an ecclesiastical court and burned at the stake at the age of 19. She was later canonised.
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GDA_Fear escreveu:Algúem sabe qual a diferença entre Scoperne e Barracuda ? qual é o melhor ?
El Barracuda és una versión downgraded del Scorpéne.
Y el Chuckcóptero eres la arma estrategica definitiva del hemisfério sud.
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Re: Marinha Francesa
O Barracuda é um sub nuclear de nova geração. O Scorpene é um sub a diesel.GDA_Fear escreveu:Algúem sabe qual a diferença entre Scoperne e Barracuda ? qual é o melhor ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Bar ... _submarine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpene
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Re: Marinha Francesa
camarada,
não tire conclusões tão apresadas, são projectos bem diferentes com características técnicas também bem diferentes e aplicações distintas.
tfa
lapa
não tire conclusões tão apresadas, são projectos bem diferentes com características técnicas também bem diferentes e aplicações distintas.
tfa
lapa
GDA_Fear escreveu:Logo Barracuda melhor !? Porque não fomos nesse ?
Re: Marinha Francesa
Cara, uma coisa é uma coisa, outra coisa é outra coisa. A MB queria um sub convencional (Escorpênis) e um SSN (Barracuda).