MMRCA - FX Indiano

[Bourne]

E os norte-americos usam "F" para todos os caças ou quase todos

[Bender]

A-29

Se me permitem um momento "Além da Imaginação", já pensaram se o Gripen ganha e a Índia desanda a desenvolver uma versão naval para seus futuros Porta Aviões?

Sem dúvida é uma maionese,e eu tenho viajado nela ultimamente Inclusive andei sapeando em Foruns Estrangeiros para sondar o pensamento de pessoas de outros paises a esse respeito.Essa possibilidade se reforça se a escolha indiana for na direção do Gripen,já que existe interesse indiano em desenvolver um caça naval. No mais as dificuldades inerentes a essa transformação já foram colocadas por varios colegas aqui no DB, gente que eu reputo saber do que está falando,são as de sempre:marinar sistemas de cabine,reforço de trem de pouso,estrutura para enganche.Não acho que é um reprojeto total do avião,que já é um avião forte,mas deve envolver custos salgados. Com a India interessada o sal se dissolve. Em época em que os T-Rex fazem todos os cálculos nada é impossivel.

Sds

[Bolovo]

Ok.

O lance é o seguinte.

JAS39E/F está para F/A-18E/F. Gripen está para Hornet. E Gripen NG está para Super Hornet.

Qual a complicação?

O grande problema com as designações russas é que usam sempre o sufixo "Su-" para tudo. Seria como o Super Hornet ser o F/A-32 para exportação, mas nos EUA ser o F/A-18 "versão tal". Ou mesmo o Gripen NG ser o JAS45 para exportação, mas na Suécia ser o JAS39 "versão tal".


Sei que entenderam hahaha

Não entendi a diferença para os russos.

Na suecia nao eh JAS para tudo nao?

abs.

Você se esforça para não entender, mas vamos lá...

JAS significa Jagt Attack Spaning, ou, Caça Ataque Reconhecimento. Por causa das capacidades multirole, o Gripen é o único JAS-alguma coisa, o Viggen tinha as versões dedicadas, o AS-37, JA-37, etc. Mas não é isso que estou discutindo. Você não entendeu nada. O que digo é que rola muita confusão com os sufixos que os russos usam, Su-, Mig- e etc. O Su-35 e o Su-27M2 é o mesmo avião, só que um é o primeiro é para exportação e o segundo é para uso interno na Rússia, causando a confusão com os antigos Su-27. O JAS39 é JAS39 na Suécia, na Hungria, na Africa do Sul, onde é que for. Entendeu agora?

[PRick]

A-29

Se me permitem um momento "Além da Imaginação", já pensaram se o Gripen ganha e a Índia desanda a desenvolver uma versão naval para seus futuros Porta Aviões?

Sem dúvida é uma maionese,e eu tenho viajado nela ultimamente Inclusive andei sapeando em Foruns Estrangeiros para sondar o pensamento de pessoas de outros paises a esse respeito.Essa possibilidade se reforça se a escolha indiana for na direção do Gripen,já que existe interesse indiano em desenvolver um caça naval. No mais as dificuldades inerentes a essa transformação já foram colocadas por varios colegas aqui no DB, gente que eu reputo saber do que está falando,são as de sempre:marinar sistemas de cabine,reforço de trem de pouso,estrutura para enganche.Não acho que é um reprojeto total do avião,que já é um avião forte,mas deve envolver custos salgados. Com a India interessada o sal se dissolve. Em época em que os T-Rex fazem todos os cálculos nada é impossivel.

Sds

Gostei do novo apelido do Gripen NG, é o "Além da Imaginação"!!!

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[Penguin]

US offers help with missile shield, sending team in Feb
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/us-of ... eb/262714/

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Posted: Jan 18, 2008 at 0039 hrs IST

Dallas, January 17: Seeking to boost defence ties, US has offered India cutting-edge technology for developing an effective shield against incoming nuclear-tipped missiles. In a first for America, top scientists are working towards integrating features of the proven Patriot missile defence system to an indigenous missile shield being developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

While talks have been on for the past one year, a team of top American missile experts is heading for New Delhi next month to work out details and identify specific areas of cooperation. This comes just weeks after India carried out a successful test of its homegrown interceptor missiles.

On offer is the cutting-edge “hit-to-kill” technology that enables an interceptor to destroy incoming ballistic or cruise missiles with a direct hit — the only way to ensure total destruction of the nuclear warhead. At present, the American Patriot Advanced Capability (PAC) III is the sole proven system in the world with this capability.

"We will be interested in seeing how to share technology and find ways to get a comprehensive missile defence system for India. A technology we have developed is “hit-to-kill” that is absolutely necessary for destroying weapons of mass destruction,” said Lt Gen (retd) Dennis D Cavin, Vice-President, International Air and Missile Defence Strategic Initiatives, Lockheed Martin, who will head the team of American experts.

While India’s indigenous missile defence shield is still in the nascent stage — the first set of tests were completed late last year — it is far from proving the capability of destroying an enemy missile with a direct hit. The Patriot system has already been inducted into active service.

“The US has spent billions of dollars developing the PAC II system and we reckon that India need not spend so much money on developing its own system when we can help,” said Cavin.

— (The reporter is in the US at the invitation of Lockheed Martin)

[Penguin]

India-US missile shield programme likely: experts
http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullst ... wsid=14886

Updated: Thursday, September 19, 2002 at 1442 hours IST

Washington, September 19: Asserting that there was great potential for Indo-US defence cooperation, prominent strategic affairs experts said the US administration was keen to involve India in the missile shield programme. "Many US officials are keen to involve New Delhi in US plans for a multifaceted missile shield," said John E Carbaugh, a Washington-based consultant in the latest issue of India Report.

Carbaugh said senior Indian defence officials have also made a couple of trips to the US already this year to specifically talk about involvement in a missile shield.

"One of the most exciting areas for future US-Indian cooperation could be missile defence," said Frank Gaffney, head of the Centre for Security Policy, a non-governmental think tank in Washington.

"There are good reasons to proceed with missile defence cooperation. Pakistan's nuclear and missile capabilities are dependent on China for nuclear weapon and solid fuel technology and on North Korea for liquid fuel missile technology.

[Penguin]

Segundo o embaixador russo na India, a disputa real esta entre o Mig-35 e o SH.

Russia keen for a USD 6bn aircraft deal with India
http://www.zeenews.com/Business/Compani ... 0news.html

New Delhi, Feb 16: Russia today made a strong pitch for a USD Six Billion aircraft deal with India with its Mig-35 jets and indicated that implementation of the expansion of civilian nuclear cooperation with India may have to await New Delhi sorting out problems with Washington and NSG.

"After the Aero India Show in Bangalore recently my view is that Mig-35 and US' F-18 are in the fray and the French (Mirage) Rafale are nowhere in today's air force," Russian Ambassador Vyacheslave T Trubnikov told a press conference here, acknowledging a stiff competition from the American manufacturer Boeing.

He said the 126 Jet deal with India was a big challenge for Russia and discussions were on with the Indian side to know more of their requirements.

The envoy said Russia was prepared to fulfill all the Indian requirements including the 30 per cent offset in the deal.

He also spoke of Russian's interest in selling additional 349 T-90 Tanks, Sukhoi-30 MKI Aircraft that will be manufactured in India and light helicopters.

Replying to questions on civilian nuclear cooperation with India, he said russia had been an old partner in this area and had supplied technology and fuel and helped in the construction of the plant in Koodankulam even before sanctions were lifted on New Delhi.

Bureau Report

[caixeiro]

Guerra na Midia na India

Gripen Denies It Failed MMRCA Evaluation

Jan 16, 2009

By Neelam Mathews




Gripen is denying a news report in a local daily claiming the company will be left out of field trials for India’s Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) competition because it didn’t make the grade with the Indian Air Force’s Technical Evaluation Committee.

The technical report is said to have been submitted to the Indian ministry of defense in mid-November of last year. It now has to be approved by the ministry before the field trials can begin.

Eddy de la Motte, director of Gripen International in India, told Aerospace DAILY, “Whether any of the competitors has failed to meet the cut for field evaluation or not is a question that should be put to the Indian Air Force. We firmly believe the report does not have any basis and the news is incorrect.

“Gripen meets or exceeds every operational requirement raised by the IAF in all roles — air-to-air fighter, [beyond visual range/within visual range], air-to-surface land and sea, and reconnaissance,” de la Motte added.

The six contenders for the 126-aircraft program also include Boeing’s F/A-18E/F, Lockheed Martin F-16, EADS Eurofighter, Dassault Aviation’s Rafale and the Russian Aircraft Corporation’s (RAC) MiG-35.

“It defeats the purpose for the air force not to experience all the six aircraft,” one senior official said. “We have nothing to lose to check them all out.” This substantiates another source that tells Aerospace DAILY that all six contenders are scheduled to participate in hot/cold trials beginning in April.

There has been speculation that with India’s indigenous Light Combat Aircraft slated to enter production in 2012, the Gripen acquisition may become extraneous. However, Gripen says it is not competing with the LCA. “In fact, the LCA program could benefit immensely from this array of technology, which Saab is happy to transfer,” de la Motte said.

The Gripen IN is a medium-weight multi-role fighter aircraft with a maximum takeoff weight 16.5 ton. The company says it is on schedule for delivery ahead of the other aircraft in contention for the MMRCA program.

Gripen has indicated that a “wide range of state-of-the-art weapons can be sourced from manufacturers worldwide, giving the Indian Air Force freedom of choice by avoiding sole source supply constraints.”

[Penguin]

O fato da turbina do Tejas ficara entre a GE's F414 ou a Eurojet EJ200. Isso poderia favorecer cacas que usem essas turbinas.

DATE:30/01/09
SOURCE:Flight International
India could seek foreign help for light combat aircraft
By Siva Govindasamy

India could seek outside help with flight testing of its indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft as the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) looks to accelerate the programme.

If the ADA, which is responsible for the LCA's design and development, goes ahead, it would represent a major about-turn for the project. A year ago, Indian defence minister A K Antony said that the domestic agencies responsible for the programme were able to manage on their own. "No need is felt for a strategic partner," he said then. "Efforts are being made to accelerate the flight tests."

However, a source close to the defence ministry says that the ADA is keen to ensure that it receives the initial operational clearance and final operational clearances before the targeted delivery date of late 2010.

"There are internal talks going on within the ADA on whether it would be better to get a foreign partner that has experience with securing the initial operating capability and full operating capability," says the source. "There are many factors to consider, but the most important is that the LCA should be ready for delivery to the Indian air force by the end of next year."

One possibility is to approach the companies that are involved in the Indian Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender for help. The aircraft that are in contention for the MMRCA competition are the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-16 Falcon, RSK MiG-35 and Saab Gripen. Officials from some companies are expressing willingness to help the LCA programme, especially if it would give them a leg-up in the MMRCA competition.

Last week, the LCA progamme logged its 1,000th test flight. There are now seven prototypes, and the ADA and manufacturer Hindustan Aeronautics hope to conduct hot weather trials in April and March.

The ADA had hoped to have the Tejas in service by early this decade, but design and performance issues and problems with the development of the indigenous Gas Turbine Research Establishment Kaveri engine have caused lengthy delays.

The Tejas now uses the General Electric F404-IN20 engine, but the ADA has abandoned hopes of using the Kaveri and could choose between GE's F414 and the Eurojet EJ200 in the coming year. Its initial order will be for 80 engines and an option for 80 more, with the majority to be licence-produced in India.

India's air force has ordered a squadron of 20 LCAs, which should enter service in 2011.

[PRick]

Segundo o embaixador russo na India, a disputa real esta entre o Mig-35 e o SH.

Russia keen for a USD 6bn aircraft deal with India
http://www.zeenews.com/Business/Compani ... 0news.html

New Delhi, Feb 16: Russia today made a strong pitch for a USD Six Billion aircraft deal with India with its Mig-35 jets and indicated that implementation of the expansion of civilian nuclear cooperation with India may have to await New Delhi sorting out problems with Washington and NSG.

"After the Aero India Show in Bangalore recently my view is that Mig-35 and US' F-18 are in the fray and the French (Mirage) Rafale are nowhere in today's air force," Russian Ambassador Vyacheslave T Trubnikov told a press conference here, acknowledging a stiff competition from the American manufacturer Boeing.

He said the 126 Jet deal with India was a big challenge for Russia and discussions were on with the Indian side to know more of their requirements.

The envoy said Russia was prepared to fulfill all the Indian requirements including the 30 per cent offset in the deal.

He also spoke of Russian's interest in selling additional 349 T-90 Tanks, Sukhoi-30 MKI Aircraft that will be manufactured in India and light helicopters.

Replying to questions on civilian nuclear cooperation with India, he said russia had been an old partner in this area and had supplied technology and fuel and helped in the construction of the plant in Koodankulam even before sanctions were lifted on New Delhi.

Bureau Report

Bem, ninguém usa Mig-35 e F-18E só tem 02 operadores, sendo que somente um usa ele como caça, o outro comprou para substituir caça-bombardeiro, assim, podemos notar que é apenas lobie disfarçado de notícia, por sinal, como falei antes, o FX indiano é bem pior que o nosso, é sem dúvida um saco de gatos com muita confusão.

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[Immortal Horgh]

Bem, ninguém usa Mig-35 e F-18E só tem 02 operadores, sendo que somente um usa ele como caça, o outro comprou para substituir caça-bombardeiro, assim, podemos notar que é apenas lobie disfarçado de notícia, por sinal, como falei antes, o FX indiano é bem pior que o nosso, é sem dúvida um saco de gatos com muita confusão.

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Alguém tem o telefone do Ministério da Defesa e da embaixada da India? Precisam avisar que o "perito mór" em concorrências militares, classificou os dois programas de errado, então mandem as necessidades pra ele, para que possa selecionar melhor as aeronaves aos dois países



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[pafuncio]

Olha aí, tô falando:



Relaxa, cara.

[Bolovo]

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[felipexion]

Falando em India, vamos todos dançar ao som de Tunak Tunak Tun!

Esses indianos...
Tu anda assitindo produções indianas ao estilo Michael Jackson???

[Bolovo]

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