PaK Fa News

[HIGGINS]

Por falar em Geórgia, não é um assobro que o treinadíssimo e bem equipado exército georgeano tenha levado uma surra de tropas russas, formada por reservistas e equipadas com equipamento de "segunda linha"? E que não se levante a disparidade de números, por os efetivos dos dois lados eram paritários.
Então...

[P44]

Source:www.sukhoi.org
Date: 10.12.2008
Russia and India are ready to soon sign a contract for the joint establishment of a fifth generation fighter


Moscow, Dec 10 Russian-Indian contract for the joint establishment of a fifth generation fighter aircraft, will be signed shortly. This was announced today by the General Director of Sukhoi "Mikhail Pogosyan. He is accompanied by Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov during his visit to China, where the 13th meeting of Sino-Russian mixed intergovernmental commission on military-technical cooperation.The first flight model airplane flight could take place as early as 2009.

The project of joint development of fifth generation fighter aircraft to the equal participation of the parties to implement it. Experts of both countries engaged in establishing a glider, processing and issuance of complex avionics, power plant and testing.Weapons of aircraft will also be joint.

Agreement on joint development and production of fifth generation fighter aircraft was signed on 18 October, 2007 in Moscow under the 7 th meeting of the Russian-Indian intergovernmental commission on military-technical cooperation intergovernmental agreement.During this period, the Russian-Indian expert group conducted a series of successful meetings during which discussed issues related to the project, distribution of responsibilities between the parties, the timing of works and their financing and technical requirements that make the Indian Air Force aircraft.Specialists Sukhoi Design Bureau and a member of the holding «dry» Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association to them. Yuri Gagarin (KnAAPO), where in December 2007 is assembling the first prototypes of aircraft, visited India and to see that the capacity of Indian design institutes and aircraft factories on the project.Representative delegation of the Indian Ministry of Defense and Aircraft Corporation «Hindustan Aeronautiks Limited», which together with «dry» is executing the project, visited the company «dry» and KnAAPO, which discussed the organizational and operational issues.

This intergovernmental agreement is one of the largest joint programs of cooperation of Moscow and New Delhi in the military sphere.

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[soultrain]

Ora aqui vai um resumo da saga:

My final words in this thread

Dear all,
since the beginning of this Saga, I have tried to post only reliable, unbiased and truthful information about the programme of the "5th gen. fighter", PAK FA, T-50, whatever it might be called and is called by the "community" and the gullible media and "experts". Obviously, because of the aforementioned ethical prerequisites, I haven't posted that much.
For the time being, I am relatively proud to say that none of my "supputations", suppositions and information that I have provided has proven untrue. Indeed, it seems that Zelin himself confirms (for example) the all-aspect sensor fusion I have talked about more than a year ago.
I have also written here that the "PAK FA" or whatever will be "more like the YF-23 than the F-22". I have also stated that those who expect some kind of flying sauski or Firefox will be disappointed, as the RuAF requirements for the PAK FA differ from USAF requirements for the Raptor. I have also pointed out that the main breakthrough, and the main challenge, of the PAK FA programme will not be new aerodynamics, amazing stealth or incredible overall characteristics, but simply total sensor fusion and the implementation of brand new weapon systems and a very potent sensor/RWR/ECM suite.

Why do I point that out again?
Because this post is going to be my last post on this thread until the subject matter will publicly fly.
Why that?
I am sick and tired of reading speculations and trying to temperate them.
I am sick and tired of seeing artists renderings, some good, some less, being naively discussed as if the honorable person who devised them on his or her PC between 2am and a bottle of Moskovskaya (or Château Rotschild 1956 for that matter, I don't care) had the Sukhoi blueprints next to the keyboard.
And on top of it, I am very, very tired of all the nationalist, pro-Russian, anti-Russian, pseudo-pro-anti-Russian redneck whatever ramblings that seem to enthuse the hon. members of this board much more than thinking about the next word they will use in order to describe their honorable feelings.

My last input:
Russian mass-media are not autocracy-driven, or democratic, or free, or unfree - they are just (for defense matter) mostly lame and incompetent.
Zelin has talked about 3 "5th gen. programmes".
He meant: PAK FA, PAK DA, future land-attack UCAV. No it's not the Skat.
He did not mention any "august 2009" deadline. The journalists made that up.

The said programme is doing well and progressing fast.
The airframes are all but ready.
Integration will be a big challenge, but I'm confident.
And again, "the first flight will not be the first"

Now.
If I wouldn't be so upset about what I read and if I would claim some recognition and respect, I would certainly humbly ask the moderators to close the thread till next summer at least because it's getting nowhere.
But as I'm certainly not - please go on and speculate further and further - the sky's the limit.
Till you see the real thing you all dream about, sometime next year, and then start an infinite number of threads like "PAK FA (it will be Su-.. ... by the time) vs F-22", "PAK FA is a hoax" or "PAK FA is not really stealthy (for flamers)".

All in all, God bless you all, let 2009 be better than the pundits say it will be and clear skies ahead.

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[Carlos Mathias]

Soultrain, quando esta máquina brumeilha sair vai haver espasmos e chiliques.
Esse cara falou tudo. Já ouvi todas as esculhambações possíveis sobre o SU-35BM, e o avião está aí, voando muito bem. A mesma coisa se passa com o PAK-FA, e na hora que sair, gostaria de ter uma coleção de posts para confrontar.

[AlbertoRJ]

. I have also pointed out that the main breakthrough, and the main challenge, of the PAK FA programme will not be new aerodynamics, amazing stealth or incredible overall characteristics, but simply total sensor fusion and the implementation of brand new weapon systems and a very potent sensor/RWR/ECM suite.

Hummmm....


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[Carlos Mathias]

Hmmmmmmmmm...???????

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!! Hmmmmm~~~~~, hmmmm; !!!!

[AlbertoRJ]

O grande avanço do caça de 5ª geração russo é o que já está mais que aplicado nos caças de 4ª geração ocidentais?

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[Carlos Mathias]

Se você acha que é isso, então: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Aerodinâmica revolucionária? Eles já são tidos como os melhores nisso.
Amazing stealthy... Nenhum caça de 4º geração chega perto de ser furtivo, tendo muita boa vontade com aqueles pilones externos podem ser low observable no máximo. Logo, mesmo que não seja "assustadoramente furtivo", o sendo já é muito superior a qualquer 4ºG.
Incredibly overall characteritics... Isso o SU-35BM já entrega, e nem o F-22 tem um desempenho aerodinâmico melhor que um SU-35BM por exemplo.

Na parte final fica faltando qual é o parâmetro. A nova suíte de armas pode ser muito melhor que as atuais, que já são ótimas no SU-35BM, equivalente ou melhor que a de qualquer 4ºG. Quanto as armas, o R-77 ram-jet é estimado para 200Km, bem mais que os 100+ Km anunciados para o Meteor. E todas vão num bom compartimento interno, coisa que NENHUM 4ºG sonha em ter.

Então realmente vai ser um 5ºG que vai deixar qualquer 4ºG no chinelo, mas deve custar bem menos que um F-22 por exemplo.

[AlbertoRJ]

Não dá para comentar sobre o que ainda não existe, não é? Ou melhor, sobre o que não é conhecido.

Se é um caça de 5ª geração, e não categoria, com certeza vai ser superior aos de 4ª geração, pelo menos no que estes se diferenciam, pelo que sabemos.

O que me chamou atenção é que o sujeito disse que os grandes desafios para o PAK-FA serão nas áreas onde justamente se considera que os russos têm mais dificuldade em competir com os ocidentais, onde são considerados inferiores e onde os caças de 4ª e 5ª geração não se diferenciam muito.

É só isso aí o motivo do "hummmmm...", se você queria entender.

Sou um herege mesmo!

Abraço

[ciclope]

Eu só acredito vendo.

[orestespf]

Eu só acredito vendo.

Que bom, Ciclope, tem gente aqui no DB que nem vendo acredita.


Abraços,

Orestes

[gaitero]

hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha

boa.

[Bolovo]

Segundo o Pepe, que postou lá na BM, o PAK-FA voa em 2011, não mais em 2009...

[ciclope]

Será que guando chegarmos em 2011 eles prorogam prá 2015?
Pelo que eu sei eles não tem nenhuma esperiencia nessa tecnologia. Portanto estariam eles correndo um sério risco de construir um avião invisivel que todo mundo vê.
Os americanos que já são craques nessa area estão com dificuldades com o F35, que dirá a Russia.

[Carlos Mathias]

Pelo que eu sei eles não tem nenhuma esperiencia nessa tecnologia

Acho que você precisa estudar mais um pouquinho meu bom amigo.