Estou chocado, a USAF acabou de comprar 179 AIRBUS!!!!!

[Carlos Lima]

Lá,como aqui,a política manda.

E muuuuuito !!!

No fim das contas a política manda mesmo em qualquer lugar... cabe aos militares convencer os políticos que a 'sugestão' deles é a melhor... senão

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CB_Lima

[Immortal Horgh]

Mas uma coisa é essa concorrência com dois produtos razoávelmente bem parecidos ser decidida por políticos, agora olha a nossa por exemplo: o EB insiste no MD-97, mesmo sabendo que outra empresa nacional, está propondo o Tavor...




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[Bolovo]

Essa estória está estranha. Parece que a ação das "forças ocultas" vai tirar a EADS da licitação e dar o contrato de presente para a Boeing. mesmo com a Boeing oferecendo um produto inferior, e a EADS ter oferecido um produto superior e estar associado a North Grumman, um gigante do setor de defesa norte-americano.

Depois reclamam que isso só acontece no Brasil.

Cacete... é verdade.

O pior é que tecnicamente não dá nem para comparar o A330 e o 767 como plataformas, o contemporaneo do 767 é o A310!!!

A proposta da Northrop Grumman/EADS é MUITO, mas MUITO melhor do que a da Boeing!!!

[A-29]

Bom, pelo que entendi do relatório que o Soultrain gentilmente postou para nós, a apelação da Boeing foi aceita basicamente devido ao cálculo de custos financeiros envolvidos com os contratos, que se deu de forma diferente do que havia sido determinado no RFP. (na verdade meu inglês de colégio só deu pra entender essa parte )

O GAO não entrou no mérito de quem é melhor que quem, e encontrou problemas na análise dos gastos indiretos qe cada escolha teria. Parece que subestimaram os custos logísticos de implementação do KC-30 e superestimaram os custos de engenharia (?) com o KC-767.

[soultrain]

This article first appeared in Aerospace Daily & Defense Report.

House defense appropriators have directed the U.S. Air Force to consider "industrial base concerns" in its next evaluation of a replacement air refueling tanker.

The directive was contained in the $487.7 billion fiscal 2009 defense appropriations bill approved July 30 by the House Appropriations Committee's defense subcommittee.

Fully funds tanker program

The measure, which is not expected to make it to the House floor before the summer recess that begins Aug. 4, is $4 billion below President Bush's budget request and $28.4 billion above the fiscal 2008 defense spending measure enacted.

The bill, which must clear the full Appropriations Committee before consideration by the full House, fully funds the tanker program at $893 million. Lawmakers also directed USAF to comply with findings by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), which sustained Boeing's protest of the decision to award a $35 billion contract to a team headed by Northrop Grumman and Airbus parent EADS.

Boeing supporters and Buy America advocates in Congress complained that the Air Force failed to take U.S. industrial base issues into consideration when it picked the Northrop Grumman-EADS offering. Air Force officials insisted the law did not require them to do so.

[P44]

Pentagon Issues Draft Request for Proposals for New Tanker Contract


(Source: US Department of Defense; issued Aug. 6, 2008)




The US Air Force has kicked off its third attempt to acquire a new aerial tanker, and hopes to award the contract by New Year’s Eve. (US Air Force photo)WASHINGTON --- The Defense Department has issued a draft request for proposals to the competitors in the Air Force’s $35 billion program to acquire new aerial refueling tanker aircraft.

The request went to Northrop-Grumman and Boeing, and addresses concerns the Government Accountability Office raised about the original award of the contract in February, said Shay Assad, the Defense Department’s director of procurement and acquisitions policy. Assad spoke during a Pentagon news conference today.

The GAO, the investigative arm of Congress, recommended that the Air Force re-bid the contract – originally won by a Northrop-Grumman/EADS/Airbus consortium in February. Boeing protested the decision, and in June the GAO agreed that there were irregularities in the contracting process. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said DoD would address each of the GAO's findings

“We are doing that, and we are addressing them in a very measured and serious way to ensure that we, in fact, can execute this procurement in a manner that's fair to both parties and is in the best interests of the warfighters and the taxpayers,” Assad said.

DoD officials will take a week to discuss elements of the draft with Northrop-Grumman and Boeing. “Each offeror will be provided an equal amount of time to sit down and discuss face-to-face what their views are of the draft RFP,” Assad said.

By the middle of August, Assad said, he expects DoD will issue the final request for proposals amendment. Both companies will have 45 days to submit their revisions to their proposals.

This takes the process out to Oct. 1, Assad said. Through late November, DoD officials will have discussions – both oral and written – with the companies about their proposals.

“We would then hope to close discussions around the end of November [or] early December, request a best and final offer -- or what we now term final proposal revisions -- in the first week in December, and complete our evaluations and award right around New Year's Eve,” Assad said.

Assad said the process is on track now and the department needs to finish this contract so warfighters can get “what they need at a price that the taxpayers can be pleased with.”

The Northrop-Grumman contract awarded in February is under a stop-work order. If the department chooses Boeing as part of this process, then DoD will cancel the contract with Northrop-Grumman. If the new process still chooses Northrop-Grumman, then the stop-work order can be lifted and work can proceed, officials said.


Click here for the transcript of Aug. 6 Pentagon news conference by Shay Assad, director of Defense Procurement and Acquisition Policy, on the KC-X tanker program.
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/ ... iptid=4272
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[Túlio]

Cuméquié? O AC-X deles está ficando que nem o nosso FX?

Bobear e vão dar é um novo retrofit nos KC135, a economia deles está de pernas para o ar e, em casos assim, quem primeiro sofre são os programas militares...

[soultrain]

Boeing Mulls Leaving Air Force Tanker Rebidding
By VERONICA SMITH, AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Published: 22 Aug 11:56 EDT (15:56 GMT)

WASHINGTON - U.S. aerospace giant Boeing said Friday it may exit the rebidding for a massive contract to build U.S. Air Force aerial refueling tankers unless the Pentagon allows more time to rework its proposal.

The Department of Defense (DoD) was forced in June to rebid the $35 billion contract after congressional auditors found flaws in the Air Force's decision to award it to Northrop Grumman and its European partner, EADS.
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Boeing's loss of the contest in February to rival Northrop and the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company, parent of Airbus, raised protectionist hackles in the U.S. Congress and shocked the market. Boeing has been the sole supplier of the refueling tankers.

The Pentagon contract is for 179 aircraft, the initial phase of a fleet replacement project worth about $100 billion over the next 30 years.

A Boeing withdrawal from the rebidding would leave the lucrative contract without competition.

Boeing spokesman Dan Beck told AFP that his company needs six months to present a new bid because the company thinks the new requirements now call for a plane that can carry more fuel than the original proposal.

"We have asked the Pentagon to allow a six-month timetable for submittal of proposals in this competition," he said in a phone interview.

"The reason we're asking for that is since the issuance of the draft request for proposal two weeks ago, as we've engaged in our discussions with the Pentagon, and .... they're asking for a different kind of airplane than they asked for in the first competition."

Beck added, "If we don't get the sufficient time to prepare that proposal, there's really little option for us other than to no-bid in this competition."

The politically charged battle over the contract to build 179 tankers - one of the largest defense contracts in recent years - pits the KC-45, a militarized version of Airbus's 330, and the KC-767, a new version of the Boeing 767.

The Government Accountability Office in June upheld Boeing's challenge of the Air Force decision, saying it found "significant errors" in the evaluation of the two bids.

The Air Force decided in February it preferred Northrop's KC-45 entry, a militarized version of the Airbus 330, because it was larger and could carry more fuel and cargo than Boeing's KC-767, a modified version of the Boeing 767.

The Boeing spokesman said Aug. 22 that after three meetings between Boeing and Pentagon officials, the company has concluded the new bid will require a plane capable of carrying more fuel than the plane it originally offered.

"This is a new competition. Make no mistake about that. The requirements have changed," Beck said.

The DoD has said it will release the final request for proposals next week.

In response to a question about Boeing's options if the Pentagon does not allow extra time, he said: "One of the options we would have is to protest the (bidding process)."

Shares in Boeing climbed more than 2 percent to $65.02 in early morning trade in New York.

The Air Force's attempts to find a replacement for its aging tanker fleet have run into setback after setback, beginning with a procurement scandal in 2003 that dashed its plans to lease the aircraft from Boeing.

[Jonny]

Caramba !!!!!!
a coisa ta feia nos EUA !!!!

[BARAK]

Rá!

Pentagon Cancels Tanker Competition

The Department of Defense is calling off a hotly disputed $40 billion competition to replace its aging fleet of aerial-refueling tankers because officials don't think they can pick a winner before the next presidential administration as planned.
The decision is a major victory for Boeing Co., which had lost the initial competition in February to a team comprised of Northrop Grumman Corp. and the parent company of Europe's Airbus. Boeing's protest of that decision was upheld by the Government Accountability Office, leading to a new round of bidding.
Department of Defense The Defense Department's decision to end the aerial-refueling tanker competition is a major victory for Boeing, which had lost the initial race to a Northrop-led partnership.
Most recently, Boeing had asked the Pentagon for extra time to submit a new bid after it became clear to the company that the Air Force was looking for a bigger plane than Boeing had originally bid.
Senior Defense Department officials notified key lawmakers Wednesday morning that Pentagon officials had determined that it would be impossible to meet a deadline of selecting a new winner by the end of the year.
According to a statement, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he believed it was time for a "cooling off" period. Over the past few weeks, Mr. Gates concluded the competition had become too emotionally charged and compressed to rush. The decision will now be made under the next presidential administration, virtually guaranteeing that one of the most controversial defense acquisitions of the Bush administration continues for the foreseeable future.
"It is my judgment that in the time remaining to us, we can no longer complete a competition that would be viewed as fair and objective in this highly charged environment," Mr. Gates said in a statement.
Mr. Gates read a statement regarding his decision Wednesday morning during a House Armed Services Committee on Iraq.
Although the decision gives Boeing a chance at a fresh start, the company will face the prospect that one of its key critics, Sen. John McCain, could potentially be the next president when the matter is decided. Five years ago, the Republican senator helped scuttle an original plan to lease a fleet of tankers from Boeing because the contract was not competitively bid. His office played a key role in opening up the competition to Northrop Grumman and its partner, European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co.
The contract's cancellation is a disappointing blow to Northrop, which was surprised by its victory over Boeing in February and sees the tanker as a way to lock in billions of dollars in Air Force aircraft business during the coming decades. The company seemed poised to be the eventual winner because its Airbus aircraft could haul more fuel and cargo than Boeing's 767-based design, both key characteristics sought by the Pentagon. The Los Angeles company said it was "extremely disappointed" with the decision and that the company is "greatly concerned about the potential future implications for the Defense acquisition process."
Boeing said in a statement that the decision "will best serve the warfighter in allowing the appropriate time for this important and complex procurement to be conducted in a thorough and open competition."
Boeing Chairman and Chief Executive Jim McNerney and Jim Albaugh, the
head of its defense business, recently appealed to the Pentagon for six more
months to respond to the most recent request for proposals. It seemed a long
shot that Boeing would get that much time, so the company made clear that it
would rather not bid than submit a hastily done bid.
One of Boeing's staunchest supporters in Congress, Washington Democrat Rep. Norm Dicks, said that pushing the contract into the hands of the next administration will help Boeing's bid. "I think we've got a better shot, no matter who it is," said Mr. Dicks in an interview.
Although Air Force officials have said the acquisition of 179 tankers is one of their top priorities, officials have concluded that the current fleet of Boeing-made KC-135 tankers can be adequately maintained for the near future. The average age of the existing fleet is approaching 50 years old.
In a statement, Alabama Republican Sen. Richard Shelby, in whose state Northrop planned to assemble its fleet of tankers based on an Airbus A330, accused the Defense Department of playing politics. "This misguided decision clearly places business interests above the interests of the warfighter."

Fonte: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1221052 ... s&ru=yahoo

[Pablo Maica]

É não é só aqui não... na verdade eles são iguais a nós com muito mais dinheiro!


Um abraço e t+

[Hermes]

E aquele programa que a Embraer tinha vencido com o ERJ-145, se não me engano se chamava ACS, alguém tem notícias? Acho que estava na mesma situação desse, todo enrolado.

[Bolovo]

E aquele programa que a Embraer tinha vencido com o ERJ-145, se não me engano se chamava ACS, alguém tem notícias? Acho que estava na mesma situação desse, todo enrolado.

Foi cancelado e parece que começou ou vai começar novamente, e a Embraer vai colocar o E-190 como plataforma dessa vez...

[Hermes]

Valeu, obrigado pela informação. Espero que a Embraer ganhe novamente.

[nelore]

E aquele programa que a Embraer tinha vencido com o ERJ-145, se não me engano se chamava ACS, alguém tem notícias? Acho que estava na mesma situação desse, todo enrolado.

Se nao me engano eu li noticias da Embraer abrindo um hangar em jacksonville, Fl so pra cuidar desses avioes, mas depois de muitos estudos a parafernalia, ou tranquerada como dizia meu pai, nao iria caber dentro de um 145 e a USAF cancelou por agora.