Deveriamos ter Gun Ships como o AC-130?

[rslrdx]

Essa é a pergunta...

Deveriamos ter Gun Ships como o AC-130?

se sim.. quantos?

gostaria de ouvir a opinião dos colegas.

[luisdmrx]

Acho que é uma aeronave muito vuneravel, diante dos sistema de defesa que existem hoje.

[Beronha]

Na minha opinião não

nao temos perspectiva de futuros conflitos que precisem do bicho

para selva sai mais barato bombas burras (se funcionarem) e A29

[henriquejr]

Na minha opinião não

nao temos perspectiva de futuros conflitos que precisem do bicho

para selva sai mais barato bombas burras (se funcionarem) e A29

2x

[Plinio Jr]

Não...temos muitas outras prioridades e existem opções mais baratas que o mesmo...

De nada adianta ter um vetor como este, que opera em teatros onde a superioridade aérea já foi alcançada sendo que nem caças temos para isto

[WOOBOHEHEHE]

Gun Ships Pra que?
Temos uma força aérea com alguns míseros caças recauchutados, onde os pilotos nem sequer realizam treinamento com lançamento de mísseis, nossas bombas são burras, as horas de voo não são lah aquela maravilha.

Acho que temos outras prioridades, no dia que tiver dinheiro sobrando dá para pensar em Gun Ships.

Abraços.

[Pablo Maica]

Acho que se tivessemos problemas paracidos com os da comlombia que enfrenta uma guerrilha bem armada e numerosa em terrenos como selva e montanhas... ai sim um vetor deste seria útil, mas para guerra convencional se torna bem vulneravel, ainda mais sem a cobertura eficiente de caças e de guerra eletronica.



Um abraço e t+

[Alitson]

Acho que é uma aeronave muito vuneravel, diante dos sistema de defesa que existem hoje.

Vulnerável?

A meu ver é uma das aeronaves que detem os mais completos sistemas de auto-defesa...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/

Countermeasures

AN/AAQ-24 Directional Infrared Countermeasures (DIRCM)
AN/AAR-44 infrared warning receiver
AN/AAR-47 missile warning system
AN/ALE-47 flare and chaff dispensing system
AN/ALQ-172 Electronic Countermeasure System
AN/ALQ-196 Jammer
AN/ALR-69 radar warning receiver
AN/APR-46A panoramic RF receiver
QRC-84-02 infrared countermeasures system

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/sup ... c130u.html

AC-130U Gunship
Under a contract awarded in 1987, Boeing manufactures and supports the AC-130U Gunship aircraft for the U.S. Air Force Special Operations Command. The AC-130U represents a major advancement over previous generation gunships. Existing C-130 airframes receive the latest sensor technologies and fire control systems that, together, substantially increase the gunship's combat effectiveness. The AC-130U features increased weapon stand-off range, improved first-shot accuracy, and a state-of-the-art suite of electronic and infrared countermeasures that greatly enhance the AC-130U's survivability against modern threats. The AC-130U design also incorporates features to enhance maintainability and supportability.

Sensor Suite
The most significant changes in the AC-130U Gunship are enhancements and expansions to its sensor suite. Both the All Light Level Television and the Infrared Detection System can scan a full 360 degrees, allowing the gunship crew to search for and find targets much faster. The target detection and recognition ranges of both sensors are nearly double those of previous gunships. The television also incorporates a laser target designator and rangefinder that allows the AC-130U to designate targets for other aircraft armed with smart, laser-guided weapons. The gunship's target detection capability makes it a highly effective force multiplier. The AC-130U incorporates Night Vision Imaging System, with compatible lighting throughout to support use of night vision equipment by its crew.

Radar System
The AC-130U features Raytheon's APQ-180 fire control radar system, derived from the system on F-15E Eagle aircraft. The APQ-180 system is integrated with the gunship's fire control system. This enables the radar not only to locate and track targets but also to track rounds from the gunships 40 mm and 105 mm guns and to adjust fire automatically. As a result, the AC-130U gunship is an all-weather, precision attack aircraft -- the only one of its kind.

Navigation System
The AC-130U Gunship integrates ring-laser gyro technology with precision locater capabilities of the Global Positioning Satellite, or GPS system. This provides the aircraft with its exact position and the precise location of any target detected by its sensors, reducing workload, speeding up target location and improving the precision of targeting information for other friendly forces.

Fire Control System
Today's AC-130U Gunship is more lethal than its predecessors, due to the addition of a GAU-12, 25 mm Gatling gun (similar to those on AV-8B Harrier aircraft). Firing at 1,800 shots per minute and mounted on a fully trainable gun mount, the GAU-12 provides twice the lethality of its former 20 mm cannons, a longer stand-off range and greater accuracy. The operator can select from a series of burst lengths to tailor effectiveness of the GAU-12 for each target due to a fully automated ammunition handling system, capable of carrying 3,000 rounds. The gunship also carries both a 40 mm Bofors cannon, capable of up to 100 shots per minute, and a 105 mm howitzer that can be fired six times a minute. To maximize accuracy, both large guns also are installed on trainable gun mounts. The AC-130U has a dual-target attack capability that allows it to attack simultaneously two targets located up to a kilometer apart. Its fire control system enables the AC-130U to destroy targets more quickly, expediting air-to-ground mission objectives while decreasing threat exposure time, which enhances aircraft survivability.

Countermeasures
The AC-130U aircraft includes a complementary suite of both active and passive threat countermeasures, including the ALQ-172 Electronic Countermeasure System, to provide protection against radar-guided threats. The ALQ-172 is augmented by the ALR-56M radar warning receiver, used on the F-16 fighter. In addition, an APR-46A panoramic receiver alerts the crew to electronic emissions in the aircraft vicinity, enhancing early radar threat detection. Protection against infrared threats is provided by an AAR-44 infrared warning receiver integrated with a series of ALE-40 flare dispensers strategically placed around the aircraft. The ALE-40 also dispenses chaff to provide added protection against radar threats. The AC-130U Gunship is compatible with the newer generation ALE-47 flare and chaff dispensers. An 84-02A active infrared countermeasure system provides additional infrared missile protection. Passive countermeasures include lightweight Spectra armor to protect critical components and crew. All mission-essential avionics are dual redundant and physically separated to maintain mission capability in the event of battle damage. The AC-130U Gunship's system architecture allows the operators to reconfigure subsystems to maintain combat effectiveness in the event of component failure.

Control Systems
A highly integrated system of controls and displays increase operational effectiveness and enhance situational awareness. The AC-130U crew maintains full knowledge of the combat environment, system status and mission requirements to employ the gunship's weapons and sensors more quickly and effectively. Co-located in the battle-management center, the AC-130U Gunship's five-person tactical crew as well as its three-person flight deck crew, have access to a computer generated tactical situation map, TSM. The TSM provides situational awareness of the combat environment and enhances intra-crew communications. Exploiting the precision navigation and targeting capabilities of the AC-130U, the TSM displays threat locations and both friendly and enemy force positions. It also shows where the AC-130U Gunship's sensors and guns are tracking, which greatly reduces the possibility of friendly fire incidents.

Enhanced Availability
The AC-130U Gunship is designed to avoid any single point of failure for mission critical systems, which maximizes the aircraft's availability to warfighters. While providing a two-level maintenance capability, the aircraft makes extensive use of built-in-testing of various components to develop a systems integrated test function that provides the maintainer with detailed diagnostics of AC-130U subsystems. The aircraft's fully integrated 1553 computer architecture speeds up troubleshooting and provides a means of tracking component performance throughout the life cycle of the system.

E o principal sistema...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... aaq-24.htm

AN/AAQ-24 Directional Infrared Countermeasures (DIRCM)
Northrop Grumman's AN/AAQ-24 (V) NEMESIS system is currently in use by the military in both the United States and the United Kingdom. When NEMESIS detects a missile launch, it determines if it is a threat, warns the aircrew and activates its high-power, countermeasure system to track and defeat the threat. Proven against 35 missiles in totally autonomous live fire tests, the system is in production, and is being installed on a wide array of front-line aircraft.

The loser in the original ATIRCM competition, DIRCM, has not gained as much from ATIRCM’s troubles as it might have, but it has firmed up as a solid competitor. DIRCM’s design initially mounts a directed IR xenon arc lamp, with a laser system planned as a retrofit, while ATIRCM will not be produced until the laser is ready. Advanced configurations -- incorporating a two-color missile warning sensor and laser-based transmitters -- offer lightweight, low drag, high performance options for specific missions.

The AN/AAQ-24(V) NEMESIS system protects large fixed-wing transports and small rotary-wing aircraft from the infrared missile threat by automatically detecting a missile launch, determining if it is a threat and activating a high-intensity countermeasure system to track and defeat the threat. In 1999, USSOCOM awarded Northrop Grumman a contract modification to produce and install DIRCM systems on 59 Special Operations C-130 aircraft.

The AN/AAQ-24 Directional Infrared Countermeasures (DIRCM) program is one of the US Special Operations Command’s (USSOCOM’s) highest priority acquisition programs. This urgently needed aircraft self-protection suite will provide fast and accurate threat detection, processing, tracking, and countermeasures to defeat current and future generation infrared missile threats. DIRCM is designed for installation on a wide range of rotary and fixed-wing aircraft. For USSOCOM, the system will be installed on all of Air Force Special Operations Command’s (AFSOCS’s) AC–130 gunships and MC–130 Combat Talon aircraft.

Growth to counter more sophisticated threats is incorporated into the program by providing a path that allows for direct insertion of a laser-based countermeasure when an all-band laser is developed. These capabilities made the DIRCM system, and others like it, strong candidates during USSOCOM’s initial evaluation of the options available.

After careful consideration of the alternatives, USSOCOM initiated the DIRCM program as a cooperative acquisition with the United Kingdom Ministry of Defence (U.K. MoD) under Section 27 of the Arms Export Control Act (AECA) (“Quayle” Authority). Section 27 of the AECA authorizes the Department of Defense (DoD) to enter into cooperative projects with allies and friendly countries for cooperative research, development, test, and evaluation (RDT&E) or joint production (including follow-on support) of defense articles, concurrent production of a defense article that was jointly developed by the United States and allied or friendly countries, or U.S. procurement of a defense article or service from an allied or friendly country.

Given the program’s urgency and a strong desire on the part of the participants to establish a firm foundation for the program’s success, both staffs felt the best means to keep the negotiations on track was to leave out politically charged items such as cost and work share arrangements. Within the framework of the “Quayle” Authority, the DIRCM MOU allows the U.K. MoD to competitively award a contract on behalf of USSOCOM. The U.K. MoD owns and manages the contract with the DIRCM prime contractor, Northrop Grumman Electronics and Systems Integration International, Inc., (NGESII) Rolling Meadows, IL.

The DIRCM program is unusual in that it is one of the first cooperative development and production projects undertaken by a U.S. agency wherein the allied country owns the contract with industry. In addition, it may be the first program where the U.K. MoD has led a collaborative procurement with the United States in which the prime contractor is one of the major U.S. defense contractors. Total U.S. programmatic cost savings, documented in the program’s 1996 David Packard Acquisition Excellence Award narrative, amount to $80 million.

The U.K. MoD owns and manages the DIRCM contract, currently valued at over $400 million for joint U.K./ USSOCOM content as well as United Kingdom- and USSOCOM-unique requirements. The contract is to develop, produce, install, field, and sustain approximately 131 DIRCM systems on the U.K. fixed- and rotary-wing fleet and 59 systems on the AFSOC AC/MC–130 fleet. The fixed-price (FP) basic contract, awarded under a total systems performance responsibility (TSPR) philosophy, is for the joint engineering, manufacturing, and development (EMD) phase and U.K. production and sustainment phases, and includes priced options for USSOCOM’s production and sustainment phases. The MOU to enter into a cooperative program between the United States and the United Kingdom was signed in June 1994 and the EMD contract with Northrop Grumman was signed in March 1995.

The DIRCM program manager is a U.K. Ministry of Defence (MoD) civilian. There are U.S. and U.K. joint program offices (JPOs), with each office headed by a deputy joint program manager (DJPM). The USSOCOM JPO at MacDill Air Force Base, FL, is staffed by a handful of military and civilian managers, augmented by a team of contractor technical support personnel. The MoD JPO in Bristol, England, is staffed by several full-time U.K. civil servant managers and one USSOCOM civil servant, augmented by off-site specialized engineering support.

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[rodrigo]

O Brasil teria que comprar 3 para poder ter 1 voando. Não ia ter munição para treino nunca, e no fim, iam tirar as armas para transportar alguma coisa.

[Pablo Maica]

E outra que não iamos usar em ninguem mesmo... e um exemplo tah ai... a bolivia pinta e borda com o Brasil... e o governo não é capaz nem de engrossar o tom... quanto mais em alguma ocasião futura usar a força.


Um abraço e t+

[luisdmrx]

Countermeasures

AN/AAQ-24 Directional Infrared Countermeasures (DIRCM)
AN/AAR-44 infrared warning receiver
AN/AAR-47 missile warning system
AN/ALE-47 flare and chaff dispensing system
AN/ALQ-172 Electronic Countermeasure System
AN/ALQ-196 Jammer
AN/ALR-69 radar warning receiver
AN/APR-46A panoramic RF receiver
QRC-84-02 infrared countermeasures system

E a FAB teria condição de ter um Gunship deste gabarito?
Duvido!!

[Penguin]

Antes de ter algo assim, deve-se pensar em obter supremacia aerea, a menos que o uso seja interno como na Colombia.

[Penguin]

Antes de ter algo assim, deve-se pensar em obter supremacia aerea, a menos que o uso seja interno como na Colombia.

[Alitson]

Countermeasures

AN/AAQ-24 Directional Infrared Countermeasures (DIRCM)
AN/AAR-44 infrared warning receiver
AN/AAR-47 missile warning system
AN/ALE-47 flare and chaff dispensing system
AN/ALQ-172 Electronic Countermeasure System
AN/ALQ-196 Jammer
AN/ALR-69 radar warning receiver
AN/APR-46A panoramic RF receiver
QRC-84-02 infrared countermeasures system

E a FAB teria condição de ter um Gunship deste gabarito?
Duvido!!

Vc colocou que eles são indefesos. Está mais do que provado o contrario. Não é para mim que vc deve argumentar.
A meu ver a FAB pode ter sim umas 6 células, mas tesmo diversas necessidades a serem suprimidas antes...

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[Moccelin]

No momento a FAB deveria ter um gunship? NÃO


É fato... Se nem os aviões que já temos tem munição em quantidade suficiente pra treinar direito... Imaginem um Gunship!!!


A FAB merecia ter uns Gunships no seu inventário??? A resposta é um sim do tamanho daquele não alí em cima... Mas isso é pro futuro, antes a FAB precisa ter caças para garantir que esses Gunships possam PENSAR em decolar... Caças em quantidade e qualidade suficiente para garantir supremacia aérea, nem precisa ser a supremacia incontestável que a USAF impôs nos seus últimos conflitos...