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http://www.netmarine.net/bat/porteavi/jeanne/index.htm
Rui Elias escreveu:Se os franceses o cedessem de borla, e enquanto o NavPol não vê a luz do dia, ainda vá que não vá, mas sinceramente era capaz de ser navio para dar mais despeza que outra coisa.
Agora cada vez me conveço mais que os anos 60 se faziam navios estéticamente bonitos.
Navire de prestige, voué au bals, aux fastueuses réceptions et aux visites de hautes personnalités lors des escales, la "Jeanne" n'en est pas moins un bâtiment militaire qui pourrait intervenir en cas de conflit, grâce à ses possibilités multi-rôles. Dans cette fonction, il ne peut embarquer que 4 hélicoptères lourds. En temps de guerre, il serait utilisé comme porte-hélicoptères ASM, comme porte-hélicoptères d'assaut ou comme transport de troupes. Sa capacité en hélicoptères lourds pourrait être doublée grâce à des transformations rapides.
La date de retrait du service de la Jeanne est fixée à 2006. Un maintien de son activité jusqu'en 2010 est toutefois à l'étude.
Octobre 2001 : La Jeanne d'Arc ne sera pas remplacée
« Il ne faut pas compter sur un bateau neuf pour remplacer la Jeanne », a confirmé en effet l'amiral Jean-Louis Battet, chef d'état-major de la Marine, lors de sa visite samedi 13 octobre à l'Ecole navale. Selon le chef d'état-major, la solution la plus crédible serait le remplacement de la « Jeanne » par deux frégates, comme ce fut le cas il y a deux ans lors de l'arrêt momentané du porte-hélicoptères; voire l'embarquement direct des élèves officiers à bord des bâtiments en campagne. (Le Télégramme - 18/10/2001)
Février 2000 : Escale à Montevideo - Rencontre avec les ex-avisos escorteurs Amiral Charner et Victor Schoelcher
L'escale du GEAOM à Montevideo a été également l'occasion de retrouvailles entre la Jeanne d'Arc et l'une de ses anciennes conserves (l'ex aviso-escorteur Victor Schoelcher devenu la frégate Uruguay) et entre le dernier chef-machines du Charner, le CF Cazeaux (actuel commandant adjoint navire de la Jeanne d'Arc), avec son ancien bateau devenu la frégate Montevideo. Une visite du bord a aussi permis de constater que les 3 anciens aviso-escorteurs, cédés par la France à l'Uruguay au début des années 1990, étaient toujours aussi vaillants. La Jeanne d'Arc et le Georges Leygues ont appareillé le 13 février en compagnie de la frégate Montevideo pour des exercices communs. (Cols Bleus n°2528 du 6 mai 2000)
Rui Elias Maltez escreveu:Provavelmente os franceses têm melhor e daí quererem abater o navio.
Mas é como digo:
Não é que não nos fizesse falta, enqunanto não vier outra coisa, e mesmo com o NavPol a navegar, acredito que necessitariamos de ter um segundo navio de apoio, já para não falar de um LHD (isso seria sonhar alto demais).
E ainda de um segundo reabastecedor de esquadra, como já referi noutro tópico
Mas não infelizmente não creio que e a Marinha (chefias e MDN) estejam para aí virados.
É como a vinda dos EH-101:
Acredito que para além dos 12 para a FAP, a Marinha merecia um número de 4 ou 5 para os seus navios, no futuro, para além dos Linx para as Fragatas.
Creio mesmo que em termos de planeamennto e equipamentos (e não digo isto pela primeira vez), as nossa FA's estão a navegar à vista há décadas, e não sabe o que quer nem para onde vai.
O CEDN foi apenas um texto inócuo, e sem reflexos práticos, a menos que a nossa pequenês seja ainda mais minúscula que a que eu pensava.
Rui Elias escreveu:Os ingleses nunca teriam conseguido expulsar as tropas Argentina das Malvinas com tanta rapidez, se não tivesse essa capacidade.
Por muitas fragatas e contra-torperdeiros que deslocasse para o largo das ilhas.
Frigates sold to Romanian Navy 15.01.03 11:51
Former Royal Navy Type 22 frigates HMS Coventry and HMS London are to be sold to Romania following the signing of a £116 million sale agreement in Bucharest yesterday.
The agreement was signed by Defence Procurement Minister Lord Bach and the Romanian State Secretary for Armaments, Gheorghe Matache.
Under the first phase of the agreement both frigates will be modernised and re-equipped in Portsmouth during an upgrade programme to meet the specific requirements of the Romanian Navy.
Other phases of the agreement include an industrial partnership programme involving the UK prime contractor, BAE Systems, and Romanian industry, and the partnership will include technology transfers, orders placed with Romanian companies and assistance in marketing overseas.
The agreement includes a significant Operational Sea Training programme through the Royal Navy’s Flag Officer Sea Training organisation (FOST).
Lord Bach – the first British minister to visit Romania since her invitation to join NATO in November last year – said: “I am delighted to visit Romania to sign such an important agreement, which will lead to the Romanian Navy acquiring two highly-capable and NATO-compatible fighting ships.
“This project is an important symbol of our developing relationship with Romania on Governmental, Armed Forces and industrial levels, which I am sure will be good for both countries and good for NATO.”
Lord Bach was in Romania at the invitation of the Ministry of National Defence, and has held discussions on the lead-up to membership of NATO, expected to be completed next year, with Prime Minister Nastase and Defence Minister Pascu.
Both ships were Batch 2 Type 22 frigates, and along with their Batch 1 sisters were distinctive in that they were all-missile ships, with no 4.5in gun, which was fitted to the Batch 3 ships.
HMS London decommissioned in 1999 at her home port of Devonport after 12 years of service, one of five ships nominated for disposal under the Government’s Strategic Defence Review.
HMS Coventry returned to Devonport to decommission at the end of 2001, having been at the heart of operations right to the end – that same year she was involved in a busy anti-drugs deployment in the Caribbean, making the headlines for an all-action high-speed chase which recovered £80 million worth of cocaine.
http://www.baesystems.com/newsroom/2004 ... 4news2.htm ROMANIAN TYPE 22 FRIGATE COMMISSIONED
09 September 2004
Regele Ferdinand, the first of two ex-Royal Navy Type 22 frigates being regenerated and modernised by a BAE Systems-led team for the Romanian Navy, was officially named and commissioned at Portsmouth today.
The ceremony was attended by President Ion Iliescu of Romania and Britain’s Minister for Defence Procurement Lord Bach.
The Regele Ferdinand, formerly HMS Coventry, is the first UK-built frigate to be owned by the Romanian Navy. A second frigate, the Regina Maria - previously HMS London - will be delivered in Spring 2005.
The two ships became available for sale in 2001. Agreement was reached for their acquisition following discussions between the UK and Romanian Governments in December 2002.
The reactivation of the ships to operational condition and NATO standards is being undertaken through the MOD’s Defence Logistics Organisation which placed a £116m contract with BAE Systems Customer Solutions & Support (CS&S) for the work. CS&S has led the reactivation and upgrade project, which has included a wide span of UK industry.
Fleet Support Ltd has carried out the refurbishment work, Rolls-Royce is reconditioning the ships’ engines and Flagship is responsible for crew training.
Equipment fitted as part of the upgrade includes an Oto Melara 76mm rapid-fire gun with Radamec electro-optical tracking system; AMS Nautis fire control system; BAE Systems MPS2000 communications system; Inmarsat B global maritime distress and safety system; Terma SKWS decoy system; and Sperry Marine gyro compass and global positioning system.
BAE Systems group marketing director Mike Rouse commented, “The reactivation of these highly-regarded vessels is the latest chapter in BAE Systems’ proud 30-year relationship with Romania. We want to develop this partnership through ongoing support and further upgrade of the vessels with Romanian industry.”
CS&S Naval managing director Rory Fisher commented, “This programme has been a real partnership all round and a great success for Portsmouth. We have worked closely with our locally-based joint venture partners FSL and Flagship and the rest of the industry team, as well as the UK MOD and the Romanian customer. Together we are delivering our NATO allies two highly-capable naval vessels.”
The handover followed successful sea trials in early August designed to demonstrate the operability of all systems and structures in the ship. These included high-speed trials at speeds of up to 28 knots and testing of sensors and weapon systems, involving gun and dummy torpedo firings. Forty representatives from Romania were on board to witness the demonstrations.
Regele Ferdinand is named after King Ferdinand I of Romania (1865-1927). Its 203-strong crew will undergo preliminary sea training for several weeks before sailing to Romania in November.
Romanian Navy Nears Helicopter Decision
The Romanian Navy is in the process of making its final decision on the procurement of three new naval helicopters, according to recent reports. The helicopters will be operated from the two Royal Navy Broadsword-class frigates that were purchased from the United Kingdom and are scheduled for delivery in 2005 and 2006.
The decision is expected to be made by the end of the year, and funding will be provided by the Romanian Army. The helicopters will probably be built in Romania by IAR, which also makes the IAR 330 Puma helicopter under license. Delivery of the first helicopter will probably be by the end of 2006.
The Eurocopter AS 565 Cougar, AugustaWestland EH-101 and NH Industries NH-90 are thought to be the leading candidates for the program. Although the initial order is only for three units, the Romanian Navy will need additional units for its future surface combatant program that will probably start in the next decade.
http://www.fleet-support.co.uk/PR/ferdinand.htm The F221 Regele Ferdinand frigate (former HMS Coventry) has been officially delievered to the Romanian Navy, yesterday in Portsmouth.
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