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Marinha da Alemanha
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Não se tem razão quando se diz que o tempo cura tudo: de repente, as velhas dores tornam-se lancinantes e só morrem com o homem.
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Uma pena incansável e combatente, contra as hordas imperialistas, sanguinárias e assassinas!
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Recent photos of the German Navy 2nd & 3rd F125 class frigates under construction at Blohm+Voss shipyard in Hamburg (Nov 6). © Ulf Kornfeld
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Marinha de primeiro mundo é outra coisa.
abs.
abs.
Um mal é um mal. Menor, maior, médio, tanto faz… As proporções são convencionadas e as fronteiras, imprecisas. Não sou um santo eremita e não pratiquei apenas o bem ao longo de minha vida. Mas, se me couber escolher entre dois males, prefiro abster-me por completo da escolha.
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Germany upgrades its air defense frigates with longer range radars
Germany has decided to upgrade its Sachsen-class air defense frigates with the aim of improving their contribution to NATO’s missile defense system.
The ships’ long range radars are being replaced with new ones that will have a significantly broadened scope of engagement.
Apart from defending against treats in the ‘conventional’ airspace, the new radars are expected to be capable of defending against ballistic threats coming from outer space, outside of Earth’s atmosphere.
The German Navy is now looking forward to establishing a planning and acquisition process. The service hopes to have the radar system installed on its frigates from 2021.
With this new capability, frigates Sachsen, Hamburg and Hessen will be able to detect all missiles aimed at the NATO region and report the threat back to the NATO missile defense system headquarters in Ramstein, Germany.
The ships will not be able to shoot the missiles down on their own. Instead, the NATO headquarters will be in charge of deciding which unit or units will be tasked with the destruction of incoming missiles.
This role (of missile interception and destruction) has so far been the responsibility of U.S. Navy’s four forward-deployed Arleigh Burke-class destroyers equipped with the Aegis combat system. The destroyers are stationed in the Naval Base Rota in Spain.
Belgian frigates should be capable of performing the same task from 2025 onwards. In 2015, Belgium joined a NATO missile-defense project group that was previously constituted by Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands. The country vowed to introduce an active defense capability to the group with the aim of augmenting the group’s sensor-only capabilities found on Dutch, Danish, and soon, German ships.
Belgium and the Netherlands are already working together on new frigates that will be fitted with exo-atmospheric ballistic missile interceptors.
https://navaltoday.com/2016/12/21/germa ... ce-radars/
Germany has decided to upgrade its Sachsen-class air defense frigates with the aim of improving their contribution to NATO’s missile defense system.
The ships’ long range radars are being replaced with new ones that will have a significantly broadened scope of engagement.
Apart from defending against treats in the ‘conventional’ airspace, the new radars are expected to be capable of defending against ballistic threats coming from outer space, outside of Earth’s atmosphere.
The German Navy is now looking forward to establishing a planning and acquisition process. The service hopes to have the radar system installed on its frigates from 2021.
With this new capability, frigates Sachsen, Hamburg and Hessen will be able to detect all missiles aimed at the NATO region and report the threat back to the NATO missile defense system headquarters in Ramstein, Germany.
The ships will not be able to shoot the missiles down on their own. Instead, the NATO headquarters will be in charge of deciding which unit or units will be tasked with the destruction of incoming missiles.
This role (of missile interception and destruction) has so far been the responsibility of U.S. Navy’s four forward-deployed Arleigh Burke-class destroyers equipped with the Aegis combat system. The destroyers are stationed in the Naval Base Rota in Spain.
Belgian frigates should be capable of performing the same task from 2025 onwards. In 2015, Belgium joined a NATO missile-defense project group that was previously constituted by Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands. The country vowed to introduce an active defense capability to the group with the aim of augmenting the group’s sensor-only capabilities found on Dutch, Danish, and soon, German ships.
Belgium and the Netherlands are already working together on new frigates that will be fitted with exo-atmospheric ballistic missile interceptors.
https://navaltoday.com/2016/12/21/germa ... ce-radars/
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Video: German Navy’s 1st F125 Frigate Baden-Württemberg Testing its 127mm & 27mm Gun Systems
The German Navy (Deutsche Marine) released a video showing the first F125 frigate testing its main and secondary naval gun systems off the coast off Heligoland (a small German archipelago in the North Sea). Viewers can see the “Baden-Württemberg” firing the Leonardo (formerly Oto Melara) 127/64 LW - Vulcano main gun as well as the Rheinmetall Defence MLG 27 remote weapon systems.
The F125 frigate "Baden-Württemberg" testing its 127/64 LW Vulcano naval gun system
(source: Bundeswehr video)
According to Leonardo, the 127/64 LW (light weight) Vulcano is a state of art medium caliber gun suitable for installation on large and medium size ships and intended for surface fire and naval gunfire support as main role and anti-aircraft fire as secondary role. The compactness of the gun feeding system makes possible the installation on narrow section crafts. The 127mm VULCANO ammunition family, is composed by Ballistic Extended Range (BER) and Guided Long Range (GLR) ammunition with different multifunctional fuses, sensor and final guidance that extend the range of the gun up to 100km.
According to Rheinmetall, MLG 27 is designed to provide point-defence protection for both sea- and land-based units. In its naval variant, this state-of-the-art 27mm weapon system is designed for layered ship self-defence and can engage air and surface targets, including high-speed, highly manoeuvrable watercraft and targets on shore. The MLG 27 provides reliable self-defence capabilities for counterterrorism, combating piracy and stopping smugglers. Short for “Marineleichtgeschütz 27mm” (“light naval gun”), the MLG27 is produced at the Rheinmetall Weapons and Munitions (RWM) Mauser plant in Oberndorf, a cradle of the German arms industry.
German Navy video
The F125-class frigates are built by ARGE F125 consortium, lead by ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems and supplemented by Blohm + Voss, Nordsweerke and Lurssen Werft. A total of four vessels will be built for the German Navy. The first F125 frigate started sea trials off the coast of Denmark in July last year.
Although the F125-class ships are frigates their displacement is much larger, closer to that of a destroyer, as it reaches 7,200 tonnes. They are built to replace the eight Bremen-class frigates, which entered service in the ‘80s, and carry out a wide range of missions, both combat and humanitarian.
Their crew is comprised on average of 150 sailors, although that can change depending on the mission. The vessels’ main weapons are the Oto Melara 127/64 LW gun, 2 x remote-controlled 27 mm Rheinmetall MLG27 cannons, 5 x HITROLE naval turrets with 12.7 mm heavy machine guns, 8 x Boeing RGM-84 Harpoon missiles, 2 x Raytheon RIM-116 RAM CIWS systems and a series of non-lethal weapons.
The German Navy (Deutsche Marine) released a video showing the first F125 frigate testing its main and secondary naval gun systems off the coast off Heligoland (a small German archipelago in the North Sea). Viewers can see the “Baden-Württemberg” firing the Leonardo (formerly Oto Melara) 127/64 LW - Vulcano main gun as well as the Rheinmetall Defence MLG 27 remote weapon systems.
The F125 frigate "Baden-Württemberg" testing its 127/64 LW Vulcano naval gun system
(source: Bundeswehr video)
According to Leonardo, the 127/64 LW (light weight) Vulcano is a state of art medium caliber gun suitable for installation on large and medium size ships and intended for surface fire and naval gunfire support as main role and anti-aircraft fire as secondary role. The compactness of the gun feeding system makes possible the installation on narrow section crafts. The 127mm VULCANO ammunition family, is composed by Ballistic Extended Range (BER) and Guided Long Range (GLR) ammunition with different multifunctional fuses, sensor and final guidance that extend the range of the gun up to 100km.
According to Rheinmetall, MLG 27 is designed to provide point-defence protection for both sea- and land-based units. In its naval variant, this state-of-the-art 27mm weapon system is designed for layered ship self-defence and can engage air and surface targets, including high-speed, highly manoeuvrable watercraft and targets on shore. The MLG 27 provides reliable self-defence capabilities for counterterrorism, combating piracy and stopping smugglers. Short for “Marineleichtgeschütz 27mm” (“light naval gun”), the MLG27 is produced at the Rheinmetall Weapons and Munitions (RWM) Mauser plant in Oberndorf, a cradle of the German arms industry.
German Navy video
The F125-class frigates are built by ARGE F125 consortium, lead by ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems and supplemented by Blohm + Voss, Nordsweerke and Lurssen Werft. A total of four vessels will be built for the German Navy. The first F125 frigate started sea trials off the coast of Denmark in July last year.
Although the F125-class ships are frigates their displacement is much larger, closer to that of a destroyer, as it reaches 7,200 tonnes. They are built to replace the eight Bremen-class frigates, which entered service in the ‘80s, and carry out a wide range of missions, both combat and humanitarian.
Their crew is comprised on average of 150 sailors, although that can change depending on the mission. The vessels’ main weapons are the Oto Melara 127/64 LW gun, 2 x remote-controlled 27 mm Rheinmetall MLG27 cannons, 5 x HITROLE naval turrets with 12.7 mm heavy machine guns, 8 x Boeing RGM-84 Harpoon missiles, 2 x Raytheon RIM-116 RAM CIWS systems and a series of non-lethal weapons.
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Germany to Buy Six MKS Multi-Role Warships – Ministry
February 13, 2017 by Reuters
A rendering of the MKS 180 multi-role vessel. Credit: Bundeswehr
ReutersBERLIN, Feb 13 (Reuters) – German Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen has decided to buy six MKS-180 multi-role warships instead of putting off a decision on two of those ships until 2030, her spokesman said on Monday.
The ministry decided last October to delay a tender for four warships, which was valued at 4 billion euros ($4.24 billion), to ensure that quality standards were met. A decision on two extra warships had initially been planned in 2030.
“The need is there. Now the minister has decided to buy all six of the required MKS-180 ships,” the spokesman said, without providing a new cost estimate for the programme.
The new ships, to be delivered from 2023, will be used for attacking targets on land and underwater, as well as providing aerial protection to other vessels.
The three teams bidding to build the new warships are the Bremen-based shipyard Luerssen and Thyssen Krupp Marine Systems , Blohm + Voss and the Dutch group Damen shipyards, and German Naval Yards paired with Britain’s BAE Systems, according to security sources.
Von der Leyen’s decision comes against the backdrop of increased pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump for Germany and other NATO countries to spend more on their own defences.
Germany is boosting military spending by nearly 2 billion euros in 2017 to 37 billion euros, or 1.22 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), but said it would take time to reach the NATO target of spending 2 percent of GDP on defence.
The German government, together with France, has been pushing for greater European defence and security cooperation, especially after Britain’s vote to leave the European Union.
Berlin has also deepened its bilateral military ties with the Netherlands and Norway with recent agreements.
On Monday, Norway announced that Germany would buy naval strike missiles from its Kongsberg Gruppen for more than 10 billion crowns ($1.20 billion).
The German defence ministry said the two countries would work together on developing the Norwegian firm’s missile.
The MKS-180 ships are to be the first to be outfitted with the new missiles, and they will become standard equipment on German and Norwegian frigates in the longer term.
The German minister’s decision to buy all six ships will not affect the current procurement process, with the two additional ships to be purchased under a separate lot, the spokesman said.
($1 = 0.9434 euros) (Reporting by Sabine Siebold and Andrea Shalal; Editing by Tom Heneghan)
(c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2017.
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February 13, 2017 by Reuters
A rendering of the MKS 180 multi-role vessel. Credit: Bundeswehr
ReutersBERLIN, Feb 13 (Reuters) – German Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen has decided to buy six MKS-180 multi-role warships instead of putting off a decision on two of those ships until 2030, her spokesman said on Monday.
The ministry decided last October to delay a tender for four warships, which was valued at 4 billion euros ($4.24 billion), to ensure that quality standards were met. A decision on two extra warships had initially been planned in 2030.
“The need is there. Now the minister has decided to buy all six of the required MKS-180 ships,” the spokesman said, without providing a new cost estimate for the programme.
The new ships, to be delivered from 2023, will be used for attacking targets on land and underwater, as well as providing aerial protection to other vessels.
The three teams bidding to build the new warships are the Bremen-based shipyard Luerssen and Thyssen Krupp Marine Systems , Blohm + Voss and the Dutch group Damen shipyards, and German Naval Yards paired with Britain’s BAE Systems, according to security sources.
Von der Leyen’s decision comes against the backdrop of increased pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump for Germany and other NATO countries to spend more on their own defences.
Germany is boosting military spending by nearly 2 billion euros in 2017 to 37 billion euros, or 1.22 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), but said it would take time to reach the NATO target of spending 2 percent of GDP on defence.
The German government, together with France, has been pushing for greater European defence and security cooperation, especially after Britain’s vote to leave the European Union.
Berlin has also deepened its bilateral military ties with the Netherlands and Norway with recent agreements.
On Monday, Norway announced that Germany would buy naval strike missiles from its Kongsberg Gruppen for more than 10 billion crowns ($1.20 billion).
The German defence ministry said the two countries would work together on developing the Norwegian firm’s missile.
The MKS-180 ships are to be the first to be outfitted with the new missiles, and they will become standard equipment on German and Norwegian frigates in the longer term.
The German minister’s decision to buy all six ships will not affect the current procurement process, with the two additional ships to be purchased under a separate lot, the spokesman said.
($1 = 0.9434 euros) (Reporting by Sabine Siebold and Andrea Shalal; Editing by Tom Heneghan)
(c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2017.
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Navios maiores e multi-funcionais sao a tendencia no momento, complementados por Navios de Patrulha. O tempo das fragatas ASW parece ter acabado.
Outra coisa: com meu alemão meia-boca entendi que esse canhao 127mm da OtoMelara tem munição para até 80km de alcance. Se botar um sistema de guiagem vira um MAN...
Outra coisa: com meu alemão meia-boca entendi que esse canhao 127mm da OtoMelara tem munição para até 80km de alcance. Se botar um sistema de guiagem vira um MAN...
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Mas com uma "ogiva" com menos 30 Kg, contra os mais de 160kg do MAN-1pmicchi escreveu:Navios maiores e multi-funcionais sao a tendencia no momento, complementados por Navios de Patrulha. O tempo das fragatas ASW parece ter acabado.
Outra coisa: com meu alemão meia-boca entendi que esse canhao 127mm da OtoMelara tem munição para até 80km de alcance. Se botar um sistema de guiagem vira um MAN...
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Lembrem-se que são só 30 Kg na ogiva, mas podem ser dados inúmeros disparos com o canhão.
Abraços
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Parruda essa 125!
Não temais ímpias falanges,
Que apresentam face hostil,
Vossos peitos, vossos braços,
São muralhas do Brasil!
Que apresentam face hostil,
Vossos peitos, vossos braços,
São muralhas do Brasil!
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Mas o efeito não é o mesmo. Um navio (pelo menos um de construção militar) suporta muito melhor vários impactos de 30 Kg do que um de 160kg. Já contra embarcações civis e de patrulha o canhão seria sim igualmente eficiente, senão mais.saullo escreveu:Lembrem-se que são só 30 Kg na ogiva, mas podem ser dados inúmeros disparos com o canhão.
Abraços
Mas de qualquer forma devemos ter em mente que o alcance de 80 Km do MAN-1 é de fato muito pequeno, e o principal motivo deste míssil já nascer obsoleto para emprego sup-sup. A regra geral hoje é levar o canhão E os mísseis de maior alcance.
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Posso estar a ver mal a coisa, mas para mim este alcance prende-se mais com ataques a terra do que atacar outros navios. Para isso eles têm outros sistemas (RBS-15?).
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E só para lembrar que esse alcance de 80km é obtido através de um motor de foguete, quer dizer, é praticamente um míssil lançado pelo tubo, se adicionar a guiagem deve custar tão caro quanto um.
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Sim, em princípio é esta mesma a idéia.cabeça de martelo escreveu:Posso estar a ver mal a coisa, mas para mim este alcance prende-se mais com ataques a terra do que atacar outros navios. Para isso eles têm outros sistemas (RBS-15?).
Mas ele pode ser empregado também contra unidades de superfície menores e/ou mal protegidas:
"The mission spectrum of the VULCANO 127 mm Guided Naval Ammunition comprises Naval Fire Support (NFS), Anti-Surface Warfare (ASuW) and Sea Targets" .
Fonte: http://www.diehl.com/fileadmin/diehl-de ... _BS_02.pdf
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