Mirage-2000 Gregos voltam a enfrentar os F-16 Turcos

[Lauro Melo]

Estava lendo alguns debates e vi o pessoal comentando sobre os combates entre Mirage-2000-E Gregos x F-16 D Block 30 turcos.
Resolvi ir até o http://www.f-16.net/ e para minha surpresa, novos “combates” estão acontecendo.
No próximo post vou colocar o resumo da derrota do F-16 D turco para o Mirage 2000 E Grego, segundo o próprio site do F-16.

Greek Mirage and Turkish F-16s engage in dog fight - MAIO 2006

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Greek Mirage and Turkish F-16s engage in dog fight
May 11, 2006 (by TCDzKK) -
During Turkish Armed Forces Sea Lion 2006 maneuvers, TUAF F-16s got into a dog fight with Greek Mirages.
According to the eye witnesses on board of the F-490 TCG Gaziantep Frigate Greek fighter jets blocked off the Turkish helicopters and rescue planes which were conducting a search and rescue maneuvers over the international waters in Aegean Sea.
The witnesses included 18 foreign representatives from 10 countries including top brass and journalists.
In response to the incident, four F-16s took off from Izmir Cigli Turkish Air Force base to intercept the Greek Mirages.
The dogfights continued between both sides untill the end of second stage of the maneuvers.
The last encounter like this happened a year ago was reported by Turkish Armed Forces on March 21, 2005.
The three-phased "Sea Lion 2006" exercises are taking place in the international waters of the Aegean Sea, between Turkey's Karaburun peninsula on the Aegean, and the Greek islands of Lesbos and Iskiri. They involve various military and civilian sea vessels, planes and helicopters.
The exercises are aimed at developing coordination and strengthening cooperation among Turkish forces
Earlier this week, Greece criticized Turkey's "Sea Lion-2006" search-and-rescue exercise, dismissing a Turkish announcement about the operation. He stated that Athens would be closely monitoring developments in the region.

http://www.f-16.net/news_article1788.html


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[Lauro Melo]

Mirage 2000EG abatendo o F-16D segundo o site oficial do F-16 ( Em 1996 )

Crashed into the Aegean Sea nine miles off the island of Chios during a routine flight. It was part of a flight of four F-4's and two F-16's. Just prior to the mishap two Mirage 2000's intercepted them. One of two person crew was rescued but the other is missing. According to an official report, the TUAF formation had illegaly violated Hellenic airspace and so was intercepted by 2 HAF Mirage 2000EG (331sqn, 114FW, Tanagra AB). The 2 TUAF F-16s evidently denied to comply and started agressive maneuvers against the HAF Mirage 2000EG. During the engagment that followed, one of the HAF Mirage 2000EG (piloted by lt. Grivas) fired a Magic IR missile. As a result a TUAF F-16D (#91-0023) was shot down. Immediately the second TUAF F-16 paused the engagment and escaped to the east in order to return to international air space. It was later determined (and kept secret) that the downed pilot who survived from the crash was in fact an Israeli pilot (Osman Cıceklı) dispached from IDFAF. The second pilot (TUAF flight officer) failed to eject in time due to the missile hit and was killed. The downed pilot was rescued 30 min. after shot down by a HAF AB-205 SAR helo (from 358th search and rescue squadron). The pilot received immediate medical care and returned a few days later to Turkey with a HAF C-130 flight. At first the incident was kept secret for obvious purposes and both countries (Greece and Turkey) officialy adopted a mechanical failure as the main cause of the accident. In 2003 the Greek Minister of Defence, Mr. Giannos Papantoniou, stated in public that the incident of Oct. 8th, 1996, that led to the loss of the TUAF F-16D was a result of the immediate action that was taken by HAF fighters during an interception against TUAF fighters violating Greek airspace.

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_mishaps_airforce-TUAF.html

[CFB]

Vamos ver se os turcos vao se pronunciar a respeito, e qual o tipo d F-16 q a Gercia usa e ja houve algum combate entre eles

[Lauro Melo]

Confirmed

Deadly 1996 Aegean clash is confirmed
May 22, 2003 (by Lieven Dewitte) - A former Turkish naval commander confirmed on Monday that a Greek warplane had shot down a Turkish F-16 fighter in the Aegean in 1996. The incident, which cost the life of one of the two Turkish pilots, Captain Nail Erdogan, was attributed to an accident at a time of heightened tension.

[Strider]

Só que os Mirage 2000C dificilmente ganhariam dos F-16 Chilenos

[Lauro Melo]

Só que os Mirage 2000C dificilmente ganhariam dos F-16 Chilenos

Realmente muito difícil, pois teriam que travar o combate aéreo sobre a Argentina.
Os Mirage 2000 EG ( Radar RDM ) são "hoje" inferiores aos Mirage 2000 C 4.2 da FAB.
E isto também dependeria de quais mísseis os dois estariam utilizando.
Ainda restam as possibilidades WVR ou BVR ?
Com apoio ou sem apoio ?
A Argentina ia permitir ?
Em um exercício ?

SDS,

[pafuncio]

Hmm, eles estão sendo convertidos para o padrão -5, com armamento de primeira. Também têm experiência em combater Vipers.

Além disso, na Grécia os interceptadores são os Mirages (os F16´s são mais polivalentes), tal qual em Taiwan e EAU. Algum motivo deve haver ...

Claro, não que pretendamos comparar a Força Aérea Grega com a Chilena. Seria suicídio para os helênicos ...

[Sniper]

Claro, não que pretendamos comparar a Força Aérea Grega com a Chilena. Seria suicídio para os helênicos ...

Vc ta de sacanagem né velho !?!?

Abraços!

[pafuncio]

Não esqueças o Fator Chuck !!!

[Alitson]

Claro, não que pretendamos comparar a Força Aérea Grega com a Chilena. Seria suicídio para os helênicos ...

Vc ta de sacanagem né velho !?!?

Abraços!

Claro que não!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nunca que os helênicos conseguiriam vencer a toda poderosa FACh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sabe que eles usam o nosso "lixo" EMB-145AEW&C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Já os chilenos usam o todo poderoso Condor que é capaz de se manter no ar por 24 horas por dia, 7 dias por semana, 30 dias por mês, 365 dias por ano!!!!!!!!!!!! É realmente incomparavel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Degan]

Além disso, na Grécia os interceptadores são os Mirages (os F16´s são mais polivalentes), tal qual em Taiwan e EAU. Algum motivo deve haver ...

Claro, en el caso de Grecia porque Turquía tenía la ventaja tecnológica en F-16 más modernos, en el caso de EAU, te equivocas, por algo tienen misisles AT desarrollados específicamente para sus M2000-9 y sus F-16E son bastante más poderosos.
En el caso de Taiwán, posee casi el triple de F-16A/B v/s M2000-5….pero ahora se pone al día:
http://www.f-16.net/news_article1798.html

Respecto a la FACH y la FAG….pues esta última está mucho mejor equipada…

Saludos,

[A-29]

Quanto a esse inevitável debate entre o F-16 chileno e o M-2000 do Brasil que travaremos certamente por mais muitos anos (que triste para nós brasileiros), acho que o Mirage tem chances reais de abater o F-16 em uma arena WWR graças à performance da plataforma. Mas agora, em combate BVR o melhor é se mandar

[Carlos Mathias]

Depende do que vão colocar nele. Depende do pacote de ataque. Depende de muita coisa.

[AlbertoRJ]

Já está virando rotina isso...

Abraços

[Strider]

Claro, não que pretendamos comparar a Força Aérea Grega com a Chilena. Seria suicídio para os helênicos ...

Vc ta de sacanagem né velho !?!?

Abraços!

Claro que não!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nunca que os helênicos conseguiriam vencer a toda poderosa FACh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sabe que eles usam o nosso "lixo" EMB-145AEW&C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Já os chilenos usam o todo poderoso Condor que é capaz de se manter no ar por 24 horas por dia, 7 dias por semana, 30 dias por mês, 365 dias por ano!!!!!!!!!!!! É realmente incomparavel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Na verdade o Condor Chileno tá voando desde que foi comprado e só aterrissou umas duas ou três vezes para tirar fotos