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#631 Mensagem por cabeça de martelo » Qua Dez 16, 2020 12:24 pm

FCarvalho escreveu: Qua Dez 16, 2020 12:12 pm Alguma informação sobre o deslocamento e demais características desse novo Nae fracês? A única referência que vi é que será maior que o atual.
E ponto, continua valendo a velha regra de sempre: quem tem um não tem nenhum, Quem tem dois, tem um. Quem tem três, pode ter dois, e assim por diante.
Será que eles lembram?
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The on-board air group comprises 20 Rafale Marine, 2 E-2C Hawkeye aircraft, 1 Marine Cayman helicopter (NH90) and 2 Dauphin Pedro helicopters.
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It will have a length of 300 meters, a width of 80 meters with a displacement of 75,000 tons.
The initial artist impressions released by Naval Group confirm some of the technical details which we have been reporting since July:

Nuclear powered (CVN) with two K22 reactors (2 x 220 MW thermal)
Length between 285 and 295 meters
Full load displacement around 70,000 – 75,000 tonnes
Maximum speed: 26 to 27 knots (similar to Charles de Gaulle)
Propulsive power would be around 80 MW delivered to three or four shaft lines
Total power around 110 MW, including the electrical plant
Future air wing: 32 Next Generation Fighters with 2 to 3 E-2D Advanced Hawkeyes and a yet to be determined number of remote carriers/UCAVs
Two side elevators with 40 tonnes lifting capacity
Three 90-meter electromagnetic catapults (EMALS) by General Atomics
Flight deck: 16,000 m²
Aircraft hangar: 5,000 m²
Crew: 900 and 1080 sailors (not including the air element of 550 to 620 sailors) with higher comfort compared to Charles de Gaulle.
Thales SeaFire radar
PAAMS with MBDA ASTER surface to air missiles for self defense




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#632 Mensagem por J.Ricardo » Qua Dez 16, 2020 4:12 pm

Impressionante a capacidade da indústria e da engenharia naval da França.
Com certeza será o melhor Porta-Aviões da Europa.




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#633 Mensagem por FCarvalho » Qua Dez 16, 2020 11:53 pm

Se vai ser o melhor da Europa eu não sei, mas vai colocar pressão na RN com certeza.
Um navio como esse presumo é fruto também da parceria de primeiro momento da Thales com a BAe no projeto da classe QE.
Talvez o lançamento deste navio faça o pessoal aqui repensar a questão da posse e uso de Nae na MB.
Não é um artigo de luxo, e tão pouco é dispensável no futuro a longo prazo quando ele se torna cada vez mais incerto e imprevisível, quiçá inseguro, para nós.




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#634 Mensagem por P44 » Qui Dez 17, 2020 4:20 am

O maior porta aviões nuclear a render-se

Vai fazer história




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#635 Mensagem por FCarvalho » Qui Dez 17, 2020 2:11 pm

Se pelo menos construirem mais de um, dá até para arrumar a desculpa que o outro estava no estaleiro. :lol: :mrgreen:




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#636 Mensagem por cabeça de martelo » Qui Dez 17, 2020 2:35 pm

J.Ricardo escreveu: Qua Dez 16, 2020 4:12 pm Impressionante a capacidade da indústria e da engenharia naval da França.
Com certeza será o melhor Porta-Aviões da Europa.
Sem dúvida, tudo o resto são ski-jumps em que os caças têm forçosamente as performances limitadas e com propulsão convencional. Tanto os Britânicos, como os Russos, Italianos e Espanhóis não vão ter à sua disposição um PA que opere 32 caças como o Francês.

PS: os Turcos para mim não entram na equação.




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#637 Mensagem por FCarvalho » Qui Dez 17, 2020 10:24 pm

Dos 3 projetos russos de Nae o único que leva um GAE com 24/28 caças é o convencional. Os outros dois, ambos nucleares, possuem GAE para mais de 70/80 aviões, com um grupo de caça embarcado na faixa de 48 unidades, só comparável aos Nimitz e o Gerald Ford, e claro, aos Nae nucleares que os chinas estão pretendendo lançar nos próximos anos.
Vai ser briga de cachorro grande, no qual os franceses são o poodle.




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France provides more details on next-generation aircraft carrier
by Jean-Marc Tanguy

France’s Armed Forces Ministry unveiled more details on the Porte-Avions de Nouvelle Génération (PANG) next-generation aircraft carrier during its weekly briefing on 8 April.

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The PANG will have the capability to launch up to 60 fighter sorties a day. (Naval Group)

Assembly of the hull will be carried out in blocks at Chantiers de l'Atlantique in Saint-Nazaire, western France, between 2031 and 2034. The hull will then be fitted out in a basin between 2034 and 2036. A model of the hull is being tested in a lake in southern France after testing at an Armed Forces Ministry test centre in Val-de-Reuil, Normandy, where the United Kingdom also regularly carries out naval tests.

A naval Rafale M (Marine) will conduct tests with General Atomics’ Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) in Lakehurst, New Jersey, before 2030. New Generation Fighter (NGF) tests will also be necessary when the aircraft is available. The PANG will have two or three EMALS.

The 70,000-tonne aircraft carrier will have the capability to launch up to 60 fighter sorties a day and have a week of ammunition for high-intensity operations. Five or six helicopters and two E-2D airborne early warning and control aircraft will also initially be involved in air operations. Unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) will be included at a later point as loyal wingmen to support NGFs, and the French Navy is also paying attention to US experiments with aerial-refuelling UAVs.

The crew will number 300 by 2033 and eventually 1,100. In addition, the PANG will accommodate 600 sailors of the air-naval group, 100 staff, and 200 reinforcements. Berthing compartments will accommodate no more than eight sailors each, compared with a maximum of 24 on the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier.

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#640 Mensagem por cabeça de martelo » Qui Abr 29, 2021 8:51 am

France Carries Out Unusual Ballistic Missile Test As American Spy Plane Looks On
French authorities have confirmed that the test involved an M51 submarine-launched ballistic missile fired from a land-based facility.
BY JOSEPH TREVITHICK APRIL 28, 2021

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France says it successfully conducted a test launch of an M51 submarine-launched ballistic missile earlier today from a land-based site on the country's northwestern Bay of Biscay coastline. Online flight tracking software also showed a U.S. Air Force RC-135S Cobra Ball aircraft, which is specifically configured to gather intelligence about ballistic missile tests, flying near where the weapon's inert payload was expected to impact the Atlantic Ocean north of Bermuda. Warning notices ahead of this test had indicated certain peculiarities, as The War Zone explored earlier this week, which had prompted discussion about whether this might have been a test of a new M51 variant or even a hypersonic weapon.

The French Ministry of Armed Forces issued a statement on the launch on April 28, 2021, stressing that the missile was not carrying any live nuclear warheads at the time and that the impact area in the North Atlantic was "several hundred kilometers from any coast." The statement confirmed that the test was carried out from the DGA Essais de Missiles, the country's central ballistic missile test facility. It is very possible that the weapon was fired from a submerged platform there, which simulates a launch from a submarine and that has been used in previous M51 tests. France conducted another M51 test across the Atlantic last year, but fired the weapon from the Triomphant class ballistic missile submarine Le Téméraire.
This test was carried out ... in strict compliance with France's international commitments," according to a translation of the French-language statement. "This shot, carried out as part of the M51 program, once again demonstrates the excellence of high technology that French industries are implementing in this field.
French authorities did not say what version of the M51 was fired in this particular instance. They also did not offer an explanation as to why the impact area, as defined in navigation warnings for mariners issued last week, was significantly offset from the ballistic trajectory otherwise outlined in those notices.

he unusual position of the impact area, combined with the use of a land-based test site, rather than one of the French Navy's four Triomphant class ballistic missile submarines, had also led some to wonder whether a first flight test of France's V-Max hypersonic weapon demonstrator, which is, by most accounts, an unpowered boost-glide vehicle design, might have been imminent. A key attribute of boost-glide vehicles as compared to more traditional ballistic missiles is their ability to make significant and unpredictable maneuvers while traveling along an atmospheric flight trajectory, which could have accounted for the offset path in this case. Beyond the French government's confirmation that this was a test was in support of the M51 program, there are no other indications that the missile was carrying any such payload in this instance.

The variants of the M51 that France has in service now are a Multiple Independently-targetable Reentry Vehicle (MIRV) design that can carry up to 10 individual warheads on a single payload bus, also referred to as a post-boost vehicle. These are then released, pointed at different targets, during the weapon's terminal stage of flight.

Deploying the reentry vehicles at an oblique angle could indicate a test of a new capability of some kind. France is in the process of developing a new M51.3 variant, which will have a greater range than existing versions, along with other improvements. At the same time, publicly available information suggests that flight tests of that design could still be years away.

The curious flight path could also be the product of more mundane factors. "This could be due to how close to the U.S. East Coast and shipping lanes that a nominal trajectory would take or because there is a specific aspect of their reentry-vehicles maneuverability or post-boost vehicle that they are testing," Scott LaFoy, Program Manager for National Security & Intelligence at Exiger Federal Solutions and an expert on missiles, space, and nuclear weapons technology, had told The War Zone earlier this week.

Whatever the case, the test appears to have been interesting enough for the United States to want to observe it. As was also the case during the M51 test in the Atlantic last year, a U.S. Air Force RC-135S Cobra Ball was tracked flying near the impact area.

The Cobra Balls, including the RC-135S with the serial number 62-4128 that was spotted operating near Bermuda, have various sensor systems that allow them to collect imagery of ballistic missile launches, or warheads returning to earth, as well as associated telemetry data and electronic intelligence.

There are only three Cobra Balls in service today, making them a very low-density asset that the U.S. Air Force has to deploy judiciously to meet intelligence collection demands around the world. It is also known that RC-135Ss have been used to gather information about missile tests carried out by U.S. allies and partners, as well as potential adversaries, as part of a standing intelligence-gathering operation nicknamed Olympic Titan.

One of the French Navy's Dassault Falcon 50 business jets, which are configured for maritime surveillance and patrol, was also spotted flying off the coast of the U.S. state of North Carolina, some 600 miles to the west of Bermuda, today. While we don't know for sure if this aircraft was involved in this missile test, another one of these jets was also present during the 2020 M51 launch. This plane would be well-suited to keeping an eye out for any aircraft or ships deliberately intruding or accidentally straying into the impact area.

The French Navy's missile range instrumentation ship Monge, which is configured to gather telemetry and other data about missile tests, including ballistic missile launches, was also spotted leaving Norfolk, Virginia earlier this month. While its unclear where that vessel is right now, it was also involved in the M51 test in the Atlantic last year.

Back in France, a French Air Force E-3F Sentry Airborne Warning And Control System (AWACS) aircraft was spotted flying an orbit to the north of the DGA Essais de Missiles facility. It would not be surprising that the French military would want to ensure that no unwanted guest flew into the launch area during the test.


Only time will tell now whether or not any additional information emerges about the exact reasons for the offset impact area, as well as the use of a land-based test site in this instance versus a Triomphant class ballistic missile submarine.

Contact the author: joe@thedrive.com

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Com que então os americanos a espiar o "aliado"




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P44 escreveu: Sex Abr 30, 2021 3:20 am Com que então os americanos a espiar o "aliado"

Quando o "aliado" começa a disparar SLBM na direção da gente o melhor é mesmo ficar de olho... :shock: :twisted:




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