Beraldi, no incício do ano vc escreveu:
O Sr. Nelmo Suzano, inventor do Lapa 03, apesar de já estar bem velinho e quase cego, continua um idealista em busca de ser ouvido. Ele está finalizando o projeto de uma nova família de armas (fuzil de assalto + metralhadora leve + submetralhadora) que bota qualquer projeto da IMBEL no chinelo. Pergunta se o EB está interessado? "Arma que paisano projeta" não serve. Tem que ser feita por engenheiro do IME, senão, não. Por isso que estamos nesta.
Além disso informou que iria ao Rio fazer uma visita ao NS e escrever algo sobre este assunto.... Tem alguma novidade???
O Lapa03 foi um projeto muito avançado para sua época e mal aproveitado no Brasil. Hoje temos a Tavor, o SAR21 que bem podem ser os filhos do LAPA.
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Depois daquela dos Land Rovers, creio que quem decide nas FFAA nem mesmo se preocupa se o equipamento é desenhado por paisano ou engenheiro do IME, tem é que ser ESTRANGEIRO para prestar: não fizeram um péssimo híbrido de FAL com M16 e o estão empurrando goela abaixo da Força?
Provo: o IME desenvolveu uma metralhadora fantástica, a UIRAPURU, em 7,62 x 51, com meia dúzia de peças móveis, robustez pura. Não passou de protótipo, vejam se alguém pensa em converter o projeto para 5,56mm, daria de relho na complicada Minimi, mas esta é...estrangeira, logo, presta...
Provo: o IME desenvolveu uma metralhadora fantástica, a UIRAPURU, em 7,62 x 51, com meia dúzia de peças móveis, robustez pura. Não passou de protótipo, vejam se alguém pensa em converter o projeto para 5,56mm, daria de relho na complicada Minimi, mas esta é...estrangeira, logo, presta...
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vilmarmoccelin escreveu:Cara, existem fotos dessa Uirapuru??? Eu procurei e só achei a localização dos Relatórios em uma biblioteca do Exército... Nada de fotos.
Eu tenho umas duas ou três fotos dessa coisinha fofa em uma revista de 1983. Vou ver se escaneio. Mas lembrava numa boa a MG-3/42.
Só há 2 tipos de navios: os submarinos e os alvos...
Armam-se homens com as melhores armas.
Armam-se Submarinos com os melhores homens.
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Os Inteligentes COPIAM
Os Idiotas PLANTAM e os
Os Imbecis FINANCIAM...
Armam-se homens com as melhores armas.
Armam-se Submarinos com os melhores homens.
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vilmarmoccelin escreveu:Cara, existem fotos dessa Uirapuru??? Eu procurei e só achei a localização dos Relatórios em uma biblioteca do Exército... Nada de fotos.
Eu tenho umas duas ou três fotos dessa coisinha fofa em uma revista de 1983. Vou ver se escaneio. Mas lembrava numa boa a MG-3/42.
Só há 2 tipos de navios: os submarinos e os alvos...
Armam-se homens com as melhores armas.
Armam-se Submarinos com os melhores homens.
Os sábios PENSAM
Os Inteligentes COPIAM
Os Idiotas PLANTAM e os
Os Imbecis FINANCIAM...
Armam-se homens com as melhores armas.
Armam-se Submarinos com os melhores homens.
Os sábios PENSAM
Os Inteligentes COPIAM
Os Idiotas PLANTAM e os
Os Imbecis FINANCIAM...
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Imaginem pegarem esse protótipo e seus desenhos originais HOJE e botarem de novo no IME (NÃO na IMBEL, pelamordeDeus), pra gurizada atualizar e aperfeiçoar, convertendo para 5,56 SÓ COM C-MAG, nada de fita!!!
Por Deus, QUE arma teríamos...
Por Deus, QUE arma teríamos...
“Look at these people. Wandering around with absolutely no idea what's about to happen.”
P. Sullivan (Margin Call, 2011)
P. Sullivan (Margin Call, 2011)
Its story starts in the late 1970s. Back at the time, the standard long arm for the Brazilian Armed Forces was the "classic" FN FAL rifle, made under license by IMBEL, their national arms industry. The weapon was called the "Fusil Automatico Leve FAL-M964", in English meaning "Lightweight Automatic Rifle, Pattern of 1964" from the year of adoption; IMBEL also made two other service-grade FAL variants, the "Fusil Automatico Leve PARAFAL-M964A1" and "Fusil Automatico Leve PARAFAL-M964A1/MD1", two sidefolding-stock versions of the FAL, the M964-A1 with 53 centimetres barrel, the M964-A1/MD1 with 45 centimetres barrel. These FAL-based weapons are still being manufactured by IMBEL (actually, the Brazilian-made FAL kits were somewhat popular between US-based FAL gunsmiths), and them are still partially in service within the Brazilian Armed Forces, though these are slowly and painfully switching to .5'56x45mm-NATO by manufacturing and adopting some FAL-based rifles in that caliber.
In the late 1970s, in Brazil, Mr. NELMO SUZANO, maybe one of the most brilliant gunmakers of the world, had founded a firm called LAPA - Laboratorio de Projeto de Armamentos Automaticos, SC/Ltda (loosely translated "Automatic Arms Engineering Labs, PTY-Ltd.") to set up a series of weapons with the co-operation of a metallurgic/plastic industry named HAGA. This rifle was part of the LAPA weapons system (the other ones were a .9x19mm submachinegun and a .22-Lr prototype carbine).
The rifle I am talking about is the one portrayed on the TOP drawing of the two you posted. It was simply called the FA-03 or FA-M03, standing for "Fusil de Asalto, Modelo 3" (Model 3 Assault Rifle). It was a .5'56x45mm-NATO bull-pup conversion of the FAL battle rifle, to make it more familiar with the troops and police personnel that had to receive it.
The main feature of the LAPA FA-M03 assault rifle was that it had about only 5 mobile parts, for complete reliability, and that everything was encased in a polymer plastic shell to make it basically "airtight" against any possible exterior "aggressive" (mud, dust, rust, etc.). This made it about 2 Kilograms overall lighter than the then-standard FAL rifle. Nonetheless, it didn't lacked firepower and accuracy. It worked flawlessly and was very accurate in assault rifle range. It fed via proprietary 30-rounder clear plastic magazines (à la Steyr AUG), but it was also made to accept M16-type STANAG magazines to simplify the commercial viability and the possible issue to troops and police personnel in countries which used long arms with such magazines. Another feature in common with the (then just introduced) Steyr AUG was that it could be converted from right-handed to left-handed ejection in a similar way than the AUG. It also used the same bayonet of the FAL rifle.
Its cocking handle was protected by the un-removable carrying handle. The fire selector switch was placed on the left side, at the base of the carrying handle. It had three positions: Single Shot, 3-Rounds Burst (a true novelty at the time!) and Full-Autofire. The LAPA FA-M03 had no manual safety; instead, another unique feature, it had a Double-Action trigger system which asked for a very heavy trigger pull for the first shot and worked as a manual safety.
The LAPA FA-M03 was demonstrated to the Brazilian Armed Forces around 1980. It was partially adopted, some hundreds were ordered and shipped. The adoption immediately called criticism, apparently the soldiers didn't liked the "toyish look and lightweight" of the LAPA, but then, this would not explain why over 120 of these rifles are still being held, mantained in mint-new conditions, at the MARAMBAIA Brazilian Army ground, for Special Forces use. The ultimate reason why this design was definitely discarded for full adoption was that, at the time, Brazil was ruled by corrupt politicians and just coming out from a military dictatorship. Being the National Arms Factories (IMBEL) still today owned 100% by the State and run 100% by the military, the Brazilian Ministry of Defense and the military itself didn't wanted to spend money on the private sector while they could muster all the defense budget over their own factories. They thus wasted the occasion to adopt what probably was the best assault rifle design of the time.
The LAPA weapons were also called for demonstration abroad, but political problems posed by the same Brazilian politicians and military blocked any export. LAPA died shortly thereafter (1983).
Interesting enough, Mr. NELMO SUZANO, the creator of the LAPA weapons, still owns a number of perfectly-running samples of these.
And now, the second drawing.
By the year 2000, NELMO SUZANO shown up at a defense expo in Rio De Janeiro with a new company ("Projetos Termobalìsticos SC/Ltda.", or "Thermo-Ballistics Project Laboratory, LLC.") and a new series of bull-pup weapons, obviously spawned from the earlier LAPA FA-M03 rifle but with some improvements and updates: ambidextrous ejection and fire control, manual safety, quick attachments for optionals such as tactical optics and aiming devices, lasers, tac-lights, grenade launchers, etc. Once again, it was based on the tried-and-true FAL design, fired the .5'56x45mm-NATO cartridge and used STANAG magazines (at least three of them).
The "family" was composed of four "members", three in .5'56x45mm and one in .9x19mm.
The FA-1 and CA-1 were respectively the standard assault rifle and shortened assault carbine of the group. The MG-1 was the Light Machine-Gun of the group, sporting an heavier barrel, and underslung downfolding bipod, and firing from the open bolt; the SM-1 was the submachinegun of the group, firing from the open bolt and using MP-5 curved 30-rounds .9x19mm magazines.
The main feature of these new TERMOBALISTICOS weapons should have been the inuxitately low production cost (Mr. Suzano talked about 150 US$ per single weapon), this making it immediately available for the low-budgeted Military and LE agencies of South America.
Nothing new was known further about this weapons system .
In the late 1970s, in Brazil, Mr. NELMO SUZANO, maybe one of the most brilliant gunmakers of the world, had founded a firm called LAPA - Laboratorio de Projeto de Armamentos Automaticos, SC/Ltda (loosely translated "Automatic Arms Engineering Labs, PTY-Ltd.") to set up a series of weapons with the co-operation of a metallurgic/plastic industry named HAGA. This rifle was part of the LAPA weapons system (the other ones were a .9x19mm submachinegun and a .22-Lr prototype carbine).
The rifle I am talking about is the one portrayed on the TOP drawing of the two you posted. It was simply called the FA-03 or FA-M03, standing for "Fusil de Asalto, Modelo 3" (Model 3 Assault Rifle). It was a .5'56x45mm-NATO bull-pup conversion of the FAL battle rifle, to make it more familiar with the troops and police personnel that had to receive it.
The main feature of the LAPA FA-M03 assault rifle was that it had about only 5 mobile parts, for complete reliability, and that everything was encased in a polymer plastic shell to make it basically "airtight" against any possible exterior "aggressive" (mud, dust, rust, etc.). This made it about 2 Kilograms overall lighter than the then-standard FAL rifle. Nonetheless, it didn't lacked firepower and accuracy. It worked flawlessly and was very accurate in assault rifle range. It fed via proprietary 30-rounder clear plastic magazines (à la Steyr AUG), but it was also made to accept M16-type STANAG magazines to simplify the commercial viability and the possible issue to troops and police personnel in countries which used long arms with such magazines. Another feature in common with the (then just introduced) Steyr AUG was that it could be converted from right-handed to left-handed ejection in a similar way than the AUG. It also used the same bayonet of the FAL rifle.
Its cocking handle was protected by the un-removable carrying handle. The fire selector switch was placed on the left side, at the base of the carrying handle. It had three positions: Single Shot, 3-Rounds Burst (a true novelty at the time!) and Full-Autofire. The LAPA FA-M03 had no manual safety; instead, another unique feature, it had a Double-Action trigger system which asked for a very heavy trigger pull for the first shot and worked as a manual safety.
The LAPA FA-M03 was demonstrated to the Brazilian Armed Forces around 1980. It was partially adopted, some hundreds were ordered and shipped. The adoption immediately called criticism, apparently the soldiers didn't liked the "toyish look and lightweight" of the LAPA, but then, this would not explain why over 120 of these rifles are still being held, mantained in mint-new conditions, at the MARAMBAIA Brazilian Army ground, for Special Forces use. The ultimate reason why this design was definitely discarded for full adoption was that, at the time, Brazil was ruled by corrupt politicians and just coming out from a military dictatorship. Being the National Arms Factories (IMBEL) still today owned 100% by the State and run 100% by the military, the Brazilian Ministry of Defense and the military itself didn't wanted to spend money on the private sector while they could muster all the defense budget over their own factories. They thus wasted the occasion to adopt what probably was the best assault rifle design of the time.
The LAPA weapons were also called for demonstration abroad, but political problems posed by the same Brazilian politicians and military blocked any export. LAPA died shortly thereafter (1983).
Interesting enough, Mr. NELMO SUZANO, the creator of the LAPA weapons, still owns a number of perfectly-running samples of these.
And now, the second drawing.
By the year 2000, NELMO SUZANO shown up at a defense expo in Rio De Janeiro with a new company ("Projetos Termobalìsticos SC/Ltda.", or "Thermo-Ballistics Project Laboratory, LLC.") and a new series of bull-pup weapons, obviously spawned from the earlier LAPA FA-M03 rifle but with some improvements and updates: ambidextrous ejection and fire control, manual safety, quick attachments for optionals such as tactical optics and aiming devices, lasers, tac-lights, grenade launchers, etc. Once again, it was based on the tried-and-true FAL design, fired the .5'56x45mm-NATO cartridge and used STANAG magazines (at least three of them).
The "family" was composed of four "members", three in .5'56x45mm and one in .9x19mm.
The FA-1 and CA-1 were respectively the standard assault rifle and shortened assault carbine of the group. The MG-1 was the Light Machine-Gun of the group, sporting an heavier barrel, and underslung downfolding bipod, and firing from the open bolt; the SM-1 was the submachinegun of the group, firing from the open bolt and using MP-5 curved 30-rounds .9x19mm magazines.
The main feature of these new TERMOBALISTICOS weapons should have been the inuxitately low production cost (Mr. Suzano talked about 150 US$ per single weapon), this making it immediately available for the low-budgeted Military and LE agencies of South America.
Nothing new was known further about this weapons system .
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Este trecho que o Italo Lobo destacou foi de um post meu recente no ALIDE.
Reitero que quando eu tiver a oportunidade farei uma matéria sobre o Nelmo e suas armas.
No momento tenho viagens programadas até julho de 2008 (inclusive a FIDAE em Abril de 2008). Portanto, nada antes disso, afinal preciso "comparecer" em casa e cuidar de minha prole também !!!
Uirapuru: queria mesmo ver uma versão dela em 5,56x45mm OTAN se o EB optasse por uma Metralhadora Leve como arma automática de seus GC, ao invés de um Fuzil Metralhador, como o FAP, que parece ser o que ele quer.
Reitero que quando eu tiver a oportunidade farei uma matéria sobre o Nelmo e suas armas.
No momento tenho viagens programadas até julho de 2008 (inclusive a FIDAE em Abril de 2008). Portanto, nada antes disso, afinal preciso "comparecer" em casa e cuidar de minha prole também !!!
Uirapuru: queria mesmo ver uma versão dela em 5,56x45mm OTAN se o EB optasse por uma Metralhadora Leve como arma automática de seus GC, ao invés de um Fuzil Metralhador, como o FAP, que parece ser o que ele quer.
Se chiar resolvesse, Sonrisal não morria afogado.
Nelmo Suzano deveria representar para o Brasil o mesmo que representam Samuel Colt, Horace Smith, Daniel Baird Wesson e John Browning representam para os Americanos.
Interessante o projeto dessa metralhadora! concordo com os pensamentos tanto do Túlio quanto do Beraldi! Ê Brazil-zil-zil... saudades do Finkein!
Interessante o projeto dessa metralhadora! concordo com os pensamentos tanto do Túlio quanto do Beraldi! Ê Brazil-zil-zil... saudades do Finkein!
As GATs e RPs estão em toda cidade!
Como diria Bezerra da Silva: "Malandro é Malandro... Mané é Mané..."
Como diria Bezerra da Silva: "Malandro é Malandro... Mané é Mané..."
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Alguém tem foto do LAPA FA-05?
Eu achei umas fotos de projetos que o Nelmo projetou, são bem simpáticas.
LAPA CA-22, uma carabina 22.
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/ga ... 0/1766.htm
LAPA FA-03, o mais famoso projeto.
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/ga ... 0/1568.htm
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/ga ... 0/1764.htm
LAPA SM-03: submetralhadora, parece uma mistura de MP5 com M16, sei lá!
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/ga ... 0/1569.htm
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/ga ... 0/1765.htm
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/ga ... 0/1909.htm
Depois posto umas da CA-01 e FA-01...
Esse cara tinha tudo pra ser o Samuel Colt do Brasil, mas preferimos ir de Imbel e Taurus.
Com certeza tudo isso é melhor que as MT-40 e MD-97 que infestam as nossas Policias Estaduais...
Mas enquanto isso, tinha nada para fazer e decidi modernizar o LAPA FA-03 para os dias atuais...
ANTES
DEPOIS
Coloquei a empunhadura e gatilho do SA80 inglês; o guarda mão é da AN-94, com trilhos piccantiny; a parte superior reduzi, coloquei o percussor deitado, como os franceses fizeram com alguns protótipos da FAMAS FELIN (http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/FAMAS/FAMAS_FELIN_A.jpg) e adaptei um trilho piccantiny com uma mira ACOG; troquei o carregador reto pelo STANAG de 30 cartuchos e aumentei o cano, que tirei da M-16A2. Ficou um frankstein, queria fazer algo parecido com a TAVOR-21, mas ficou legal, deu pra ter noção mais ou menos do que gostaria de fazer com esse fuzil: substituir o MD-97, obvio.
Eu achei umas fotos de projetos que o Nelmo projetou, são bem simpáticas.
LAPA CA-22, uma carabina 22.
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/ga ... 0/1766.htm
LAPA FA-03, o mais famoso projeto.
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/ga ... 0/1568.htm
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/ga ... 0/1764.htm
LAPA SM-03: submetralhadora, parece uma mistura de MP5 com M16, sei lá!
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/ga ... 0/1569.htm
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/ga ... 0/1765.htm
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/ga ... 0/1909.htm
Depois posto umas da CA-01 e FA-01...
Esse cara tinha tudo pra ser o Samuel Colt do Brasil, mas preferimos ir de Imbel e Taurus.
Com certeza tudo isso é melhor que as MT-40 e MD-97 que infestam as nossas Policias Estaduais...
Mas enquanto isso, tinha nada para fazer e decidi modernizar o LAPA FA-03 para os dias atuais...
ANTES
DEPOIS
Coloquei a empunhadura e gatilho do SA80 inglês; o guarda mão é da AN-94, com trilhos piccantiny; a parte superior reduzi, coloquei o percussor deitado, como os franceses fizeram com alguns protótipos da FAMAS FELIN (http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/FAMAS/FAMAS_FELIN_A.jpg) e adaptei um trilho piccantiny com uma mira ACOG; troquei o carregador reto pelo STANAG de 30 cartuchos e aumentei o cano, que tirei da M-16A2. Ficou um frankstein, queria fazer algo parecido com a TAVOR-21, mas ficou legal, deu pra ter noção mais ou menos do que gostaria de fazer com esse fuzil: substituir o MD-97, obvio.
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