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hoje é carnaval, natal e ano novo em Espanha e ESPECIALMENTE na pérfida Terra Galega de Ferrol 
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hoje é carnaval, natal e ano novo em Espanha e ESPECIALMENTE na pérfida Terra Galega de Ferrol Enviado: Qua Jun 20, 2007 11:29 am
luis F. Silva escreveu:Tito escreveu:Outra coisa, falaste em manutenção, ora essa manutenção não será feita na Australia?
Assim como a contrução será feita na Austrália. Mas nada é grátis pois não?
Ok, mas mesmo assim.
Era bom saber a quantos anos eles fazem as contas, mas penso que deve ser pra ai a 20 anos, não?
Enviado: Qua Jun 20, 2007 11:32 am
tito escreveu:luis F. Silva escreveu:Tito escreveu:Outra coisa, falaste em manutenção, ora essa manutenção não será feita na Australia?
Assim como a contrução será feita na Austrália. Mas nada é grátis pois não?
Ok, mas mesmo assim.
Era bom saber a quantos anos eles fazem as contas, mas penso que deve ser pra ai a 20 anos, não?
Eles se calhar fazem é as contas BEM FEITAS
Deixem lá, pelo preço dos 2 primeiros NPOs já deviamos poder comprar um AWD
Enviado: Qua Jun 20, 2007 11:36 am
Parabéns à NAVANTIA , a Espanha e à Europa que asim vê aumentar o seu peso no mundo.
E assim se vê como vale a pena ter Governos que se preocupam com a sua economia e a sua indústria apostarem em estaleiros nacionais, encomendar, apostar em tecnlogias ainda que alguns componetes sejam de importação, e assim depois, com os resultados dessa aposta para o mercado interno, passarem a ser exportadores.
Primeiro a Noruega e as suas 5 Nanssen e agora a Austrália, com as 3 fragatas e possivelmente com um derivado do BPE.
E assim se vê como vale a pena ter Governos que se preocupam com a sua economia e a sua indústria apostarem em estaleiros nacionais, encomendar, apostar em tecnlogias ainda que alguns componetes sejam de importação, e assim depois, com os resultados dessa aposta para o mercado interno, passarem a ser exportadores.
Primeiro a Noruega e as suas 5 Nanssen e agora a Austrália, com as 3 fragatas e possivelmente com um derivado do BPE.
Enviado: Qua Jun 20, 2007 11:36 am
Australia's Chief of Navy Vice Admiral Russ Shalders, Minister for Defense Dr Brendan Nelson, and Chief of Defense Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston with model of new Air Warfare Destroyer.
June 20, 2007
Australia picks Navantia designs for A$11 billion naval expansion
Spain's Navantia is the big winner in an Australian $ 11 billion (US$9.3 billion), five ship expansion of the Royal Australian Navy.
The Australian Government has selected the F100 design by Navantia for three next generation Air Warfare Destroyers (AWD) for the Royal Australian Navy (RAN).
The Spanish design beat out a competing design by Gibbs & Cox based on the U.S. Navy's DDG 51 Arleigh Burke.
And a version of Navantia's 27,000 tonne strategic projection ship has also been chosen for two amphibious ships, beating out a design from France's Armaris based on its Mistral Class LHD.
As well as supplying the designs for both classes, Navantia will build the hulls of the two amphibious ships and parts of the three destroyers.
AWD PROGRAM
The A$8 billion (US$6.7 billion) AWD program will see Navantia work with the AWD Alliance (Defence Materiel Organisation, shipbuilder ASC and Raytheon Australia) to deliver three AWDs to the Royal Australian Navy.
The first of these Air Warfare Destroyers will be delivered in late 2014, followed by the second and third ships in early-2016 and mid-2017 respectively.
The Australianized F100 AWD Design is described as capable across the full spectrum of joint maritime operations, from area air defense and escort duties, through to peacetime national tasking and diplomatic missions. The Royal Australian Navy will undergo a quantum leap in its air warfare capability when the F100 enters service.
Since entering service with the Spanish Navy, F100s, among their many other tasks, have worked alongside the United States Navy (USN) as the first foreign Aegis equipped ship to be fully integrated into a USN Carrier Strike Group and has successfully been deployed as the flagship of NATO's Maritime Group Standing Reaction Force.
The Australian government says that while the selection of the platform is a significant milestone for the AWD program, the work undertaken to date has demonstrated the value of the selection of the Aegis Combat System in 2004 as the central element of the AWD's war-fighting capabilities.
The selection of the F100 follows two years of detailed research and simulation to determine the best ship to meet the needs of the Australian Defence Force through to the middle of this century.
The F100 has been developed with modern accommodation requirements in mind and has a crew of around 200. It also provides the Royal Australian Navy with a growth path to accommodate tomorrow's naval warfare technologies.
In selecting the F100, the Australian Government says it has ensured the Navy will take delivery of an Aegis equipped AWD before any potential maritime air warfare capability gap eventuates.
The F100 is an existing design that is in service with the Spanish Navy. This substantially reduces the cost and schedule risks traditionally associated with a project of this size and complexity.
Raytheon Australia has been confirmed as the mission systems integrator for the Air Warfare Destroyer. Raytheon Australia will be contracted to complete the design, development and procurement of the Australianized Combat System.
The project will shortly move into the Build Phase.
Australian Industry will deliver products and services for around 55 per cent of the AWD program over the next 15 years which will be followed by high value through-life support contracts into the middle of the century.
While Adelaide based ASC will conduct the final assembly of the AWDs, around 70 per cent of the ship modules will be built at other shipbuilding sites around Australia, potentially including sites in Western Australia, Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria and Tasmania.
AMPHIBIOUS SHIPS
The Australian Defense Force (ADF) will obtain what's described as "one of the largest and most advanced amphibious deployment systems in the world" following the Government's selection today of Tenix as preferred tenderer for the supply of the two amphibious ships.
Subject to successful contract negotiations, the preferred tenderer is Tenix. Defence will now enter negotiations with Tenix leading to a contract for delivery of the ships between 2012 and 2014.
With their integrated helicopters and watercraft the ships will be able to land over a thousand personnel by sea and air, along with their vehicles, the new Abrams tanks, artillery and supplies. Each ship will also be equipped with medical facilities, including two operating theaters and a hospital ward.
Approximately one quarter of the construction of the amphibious ships will take place in Australia. The construction of the superstructure and the majority of the fitout will occur in Melbourne, with an estimated value of up to A$500 million. The majority of combat system design and integration work will take place in Adelaide, worth up to A$100 million for the South Australia economy. There will also be further work contracted to other states.
http://www.marinelog.com/DOCS/NEWSMMVII ... 00200.html
Enviado: Qua Jun 20, 2007 12:00 pm
@FD
Lancero escreveu:A construção será repartida entre Espanha e AustráliaAustralian Navy to get new warships
Wednesday Jun 20 19:49 AEST
Australia's navy will get new, advanced, Spanish-designed air warfare destroyers and large landing ships at a cost of as much as $11 billion.
The federal government says every state will win hundreds of millions of dollars of defence work in the lead up to this year's election.
Announcing the winners of the contracts to build three air warfare destroyers and two landing ships, the government revealed $4.5 billion of the $11 billion total cost would be spent across Australia, providing work to 1,000 contractors and creating some 3,600 jobs.
The costs are significantly greater than original estimates, which were $4.5-6 billion for the destroyers (now $8 billion) and $2 billion for the landing ships (now $3 billion).
Defence Minister Brendan Nelson said the advanced air warfare destroyers (AWDs) and large landing ships, all Spanish-designed, were vital for Australia's defence capability and economic security.
The landing ships would also enable Australia to move more than 1,000 troops, tanks and helicopters to crisis spots in the region.
Most of the three destroyers, based on the Navantia F100 now in service with the Spanish navy, will be constructed in module form at shipyards around Australia, and then assembled at the South Australian plant of ASC, formerly the Australian Submarine Corporation.
Two new landing ships - versions of Navantia's 27,000 tonne strategic projection ship - will be fitted out with superstructure and other systems in Australia, with most of the work going to the Melbourne shipyard of defence company Tenix.
The government's decision is a significant win for Spain's shipbuilding industry, which will construct the hulls of the two landing ships and parts of the air warfare destroyers.
But there will be plenty of work in Australia too.
"There will be up to $700 million worth of work in Victoria and almost $700 million worth of work in NSW," Dr Nelson said.
"Cairns and southern Brisbane will share in almost $250 million in work. There will be $2 billion worth of work for South Australia, $200 million for Western Australia, and in Tasmania almost $75 million worth of work."
State premiers welcomed the injection of funds, but NSW Premier Morris Iemma accused the federal coalition of using the lucrative project to try to hold on to marginal seats.
Mr Iemma, hoping a rival bidder could have brought a bigger slice of the project to NSW, said it was a blow to the Hunter region and Sydney shipbuilders.
Dr Nelson said the new landing ships, protected by the new AWDs, could carry more equipment and more soldiers more quickly into the region, allowing Australia to better participate in security missions, peacekeeping, and disaster relief.
"These ships will reshape not only the Royal Australian Navy but the Australian Defence Force for the next 40 years," he said.
Prime Minister John Howard said the government had opted for Spanish-designed vessels, over US and French rivals, after vigorous and protracted examinations and debate.
He was confident the government had made the right decision that would provide the best value for money.
The three Navantia F100 destroyers, costing up to $8 billion, will be equipped with the US Aegis electronic combat system.
But also integrated will be electronic systems produced in Australia by the local subsidiary of US company Raytheon.
The two landing ships will cost $3 billion.
Opposition defence spokesman Joel Fitzgibbon said Labor supported the plan to buy the ships but was concerned that costs were already on the way up.
"We are justifiably concerned that the cost of both ship projects has already risen considerably over the original estimate, from a total of $8 billion for both projects to a massive $11 billion," he said in a statement.
"The cost blow-out represents an increase of almost 38 per cent and is consistent with the government's form in defence procurement projects in recent years."
©AAP 2007
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Enviado: Qua Jun 20, 2007 12:23 pm
Desculpem o OT, mas para requerer a nacionalidade Espanhola tenho de residir lá 2 anos ou casar-me com uma Espanhola não é assim 
Enviado: Qua Jun 20, 2007 12:25 pm
Raul Neto escreveu:Desculpem o OT, mas para requerer a nacionalidade Espanhola tenho de residir lá 2 anos ou casar-me com uma Espanhola não é assim
"Também" estás com ideias, oh traidor-pulha-vendido-canalha-safardana-[inserir insulto aqui]
Enviado: Qua Jun 20, 2007 12:27 pm
tito escreveu:luis F. Silva escreveu:Tito escreveu:Outra coisa, falaste em manutenção, ora essa manutenção não será feita na Australia?
Assim como a contrução será feita na Austrália. Mas nada é grátis pois não?
Ok, mas mesmo assim.
Era bom saber a quantos anos eles fazem as contas, mas penso que deve ser pra ai a 20 anos, não?
Pelo que percebi da história são 15 anos.
Australian Industry will deliver products and services for around 55 per cent of the AWD program over the next 15 years which will be followed by high value through-life support contracts into the middle of the century.
Enviado: Qua Jun 20, 2007 12:28 pm
ejejejejej
Talvez me saísse finalmente a sorte grande em todos os sentidos ejejejejej com uma míuda que valesse a pena e num País onde não me esfarrapassem com impostos, cobranças, etc, etc
Desculpem o OT
De volta ao tópico fico contente por eles sem sombra de dúvida
Talvez me saísse finalmente a sorte grande em todos os sentidos ejejejejej com uma míuda que valesse a pena e num País onde não me esfarrapassem com impostos, cobranças, etc, etc
Desculpem o OT
De volta ao tópico fico contente por eles sem sombra de dúvida
Enviado: Qua Jun 20, 2007 12:43 pm
Atención al detalle: los australianos son realistas y tienen el decoro de llamar a sus futuros escoltas 'destroyers', y no 'frigates' 
No son tan acomplejados como los europeos...
No son tan acomplejados como los europeos...
Enviado: Qua Jun 20, 2007 1:01 pm
Isso é porque os australianos usam a denominação inglesa para navios com mais de 6.000 ton de deslocamento e com determinadas capacidades instaladas.
Enviado: Sex Jun 22, 2007 7:57 am
(The following is taken from South Australia's major Newspaper, "The Advertiser", 01/06/07.)
The Australian Submarine Corporation Shipyard at Osborne has been named by Defence Minister Brendan Nelson as the frontrunner for new Submarine Contracts, likley to be worth AUD$12 Billion over the next 25 years.
The contracts should result in six to eight "Collins Class" Submarines being built and about AUD$4Billion in maintenance work.
Mr Nelson also told "The Advertiser" Several Nations had raised the possibility of buying Collins Class Submarines.
This would trigger a major expansion at "ASC".
The Federal Government's Defence Capability Plan 2008-2018 would include a project for replacement Submarines to come on line approximatley 2025.
Mr Nelson said the Government was determined to maintain the skills base at and around "ASC" with a decision on the new boats to be made by about 2012.
"This is a great story for South Australia," he said.
This series of vessels also would form the basis of hoped for export contracts.
"I am very strongly of the view that Australia needs a Submarine capability for high-end Warfare and other objectives", Mr Nelson said.
""ASC" would be the frontrunner and South Australia the likley beneficary"
Mr Nelson would not name the countries interested in buying Submarines but said the list did not include Iran.
"(on the other hand) if New Zealand wants half a dozen Subs....." he said.
A second windfall could come much earlier when the Government selects a site for its through-life support contracts to maintain the existing 6 Collins Vessels.
Together with the new construction contracts this could inject approximatley AUD$12 Billion into the local economy and generate thousands of skilled jobs.
Mr Nelson told "The Advertiser' yesterday that he was keen to finalise the through-life support contract for the Navys 6 Collins Class Submarines by next year.
"We have to renegotiate that contract prior to the sale," he said.
The Government will next yearsell its 51% stake in "ASC" for up to AUD$500 Million, although positive speculation about the new Submarines would add considerable value to the yard.
Since 2003, the companys after Tax profit has grown from AUD$127,000.oo to just above AUD$16 Million.
The new contract would lock in the primary maintenance of the Subs until they are retired sometime after 2030.
Of the Submarine replacement program, Mr Nelson said "ASC" would be in the "Box Seat" to build the new Fleet, realising the Governments long-held wish to create a National Shipbuilding Centre at the Osborne yard.
"ASC" will build the Navys three Air Warfare Destroyers worth AUD$6 Billion and already has one seperate AUD$3.5 Billion 25-year through life-support contract for the Collins Fleet, dating fron late 2003.
Mr Nelson said the Collins boats, once described as Dud Subs due to a raft of serious problems, were now regarded as World-Class Conventional Submarines.
He said the Americans never hesitated to tell him how good the boats were. "We have spent a Billion Dollars fixing the problems with the Collins Submarines," he added.
Mr Nelson said he would welcome export orders for Collins Boats but they would have to Comply with Australias Obligations.
That includes getting Americas permission to on-sell highly sensitive U.S. Submarine Technology.
The Australian Submarine Corporation Shipyard at Osborne has been named by Defence Minister Brendan Nelson as the frontrunner for new Submarine Contracts, likley to be worth AUD$12 Billion over the next 25 years.
The contracts should result in six to eight "Collins Class" Submarines being built and about AUD$4Billion in maintenance work.
Mr Nelson also told "The Advertiser" Several Nations had raised the possibility of buying Collins Class Submarines.
This would trigger a major expansion at "ASC".
The Federal Government's Defence Capability Plan 2008-2018 would include a project for replacement Submarines to come on line approximatley 2025.
Mr Nelson said the Government was determined to maintain the skills base at and around "ASC" with a decision on the new boats to be made by about 2012.
"This is a great story for South Australia," he said.
This series of vessels also would form the basis of hoped for export contracts.
"I am very strongly of the view that Australia needs a Submarine capability for high-end Warfare and other objectives", Mr Nelson said.
""ASC" would be the frontrunner and South Australia the likley beneficary"
Mr Nelson would not name the countries interested in buying Submarines but said the list did not include Iran.
"(on the other hand) if New Zealand wants half a dozen Subs....." he said.
A second windfall could come much earlier when the Government selects a site for its through-life support contracts to maintain the existing 6 Collins Vessels.
Together with the new construction contracts this could inject approximatley AUD$12 Billion into the local economy and generate thousands of skilled jobs.
Mr Nelson told "The Advertiser' yesterday that he was keen to finalise the through-life support contract for the Navys 6 Collins Class Submarines by next year.
"We have to renegotiate that contract prior to the sale," he said.
The Government will next yearsell its 51% stake in "ASC" for up to AUD$500 Million, although positive speculation about the new Submarines would add considerable value to the yard.
Since 2003, the companys after Tax profit has grown from AUD$127,000.oo to just above AUD$16 Million.
The new contract would lock in the primary maintenance of the Subs until they are retired sometime after 2030.
Of the Submarine replacement program, Mr Nelson said "ASC" would be in the "Box Seat" to build the new Fleet, realising the Governments long-held wish to create a National Shipbuilding Centre at the Osborne yard.
"ASC" will build the Navys three Air Warfare Destroyers worth AUD$6 Billion and already has one seperate AUD$3.5 Billion 25-year through life-support contract for the Collins Fleet, dating fron late 2003.
Mr Nelson said the Collins boats, once described as Dud Subs due to a raft of serious problems, were now regarded as World-Class Conventional Submarines.
He said the Americans never hesitated to tell him how good the boats were. "We have spent a Billion Dollars fixing the problems with the Collins Submarines," he added.
Mr Nelson said he would welcome export orders for Collins Boats but they would have to Comply with Australias Obligations.
That includes getting Americas permission to on-sell highly sensitive U.S. Submarine Technology.
Enviado: Sex Jun 22, 2007 8:13 am
The contracts should result in six to eight "Collins Class" Submarines being built
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Enviado: Sex Jun 22, 2007 11:15 am
Rui Elias escreveu:
Correcção: Parabéns à Navantia, Espanha e Estados unidos, que são quem fornece os sensores e armamento.
Parabéns à NAVANTIA , a Espanha e à Europa que asim vê aumentar o seu peso no mundo.
Correcção: Parabéns à Navantia, Espanha e Estados unidos, que são quem fornece os sensores e armamento.