NOTICIAS SUB NUCLEAR BRASILEIRO

[vplemes]

Alguém pode me explicar o porque a comissão de desenvolvimento da baleia branca nuclear precisa contratar uma associação de pescadores? Isso não deveria ser atribuição do ibama, ministéria da pesca ou qualquer outro órgão do gênero? Juro, nunca vou entender a burrocracia tupiniquim. No mínimo é mais um jeitinho de faturar pixulecos. Brazil-zil-zil!

[talharim]

kkk ate os marisqueiros tao dando calote na MB devem ter recebido alguma verba e gastaram tudo no primeiro boteco que viram pela frente .

A MB ta sem moral nenhuma na praça Meo Deos

[Túlio]

kkk ate os marisqueiros tao dando calote na MB devem ter recebido alguma verba e gastaram tudo no primeiro boteco que viram pela frente .

A MB ta sem moral nenhuma na praça Meo Deos

TINHA que ser o Cháv...errr...o Talharim...

[vplemes]

Eu sei que tem um monte de gente que acha chic no último essa coisa de sub nuclear, que acreditam que se tivermos alguns vamos impedir os gringos de pegarem a Amazônia, por debaixo do braço e levar embora. Para estes não falo nada, não vou me incomodar se alguém gosta de se intoxicar com maionese estragada. O que não consigo entender, é gente que deveria, por dever ofício, ter os pés no chão, e mesmo assim ainda gasta o pouco que a MB tem nessa baleia branca. Uma marinha que não tem escoltas, não tem dinheiro para manter adequadamente os poucos SSKs que possui, e ainda assim fica gastando os tubos com pesquisa nuclear, é no mínimo uma marinha que não consegue definir prioridades. Essas pesquisas deveriam ser financiadas e geridas por algum outro órgão, que não drenasse os parcos recursos da gloriosa. Mas uma marinha que insiste em gastar com um PA que não navega, não tem sequer navios escolta ou até mesmo petroleiro para abastece-lo (pelo que ouvi, o Marajó está no bico do urubu), não pode ser levada a sério.

[Lord Nauta]

Eu sei que tem um monte de gente que acha chic no último essa coisa de sub nuclear, que acreditam que se tivermos alguns vamos impedir os gringos de pegarem a Amazônia, por debaixo do braço e levar embora. Para estes não falo nada, não vou me incomodar se alguém gosta de se intoxicar com maionese estragada. O que não consigo entender, é gente que deveria, por dever ofício, ter os pés no chão, e mesmo assim ainda gasta o pouco que a MB tem nessa baleia branca. Uma marinha que não tem escoltas, não tem dinheiro para manter adequadamente os poucos SSKs que possui, e ainda assim fica gastando os tubos com pesquisa nuclear, é no mínimo uma marinha que não consegue definir prioridades. Essas pesquisas deveriam ser financiadas e geridas por algum outro órgão, que não drenasse os parcos recursos da gloriosa. Mas uma marinha que insiste em gastar com um PA que não navega, não tem sequer navios escolta ou até mesmo petroleiro para abastece-lo (pelo que ouvi, o Marajó está no bico do urubu), não pode ser levada a sério.

Talvez exemplos de Marinhas como do Peru e do Chile deveriam ser considerados pelos brasileiros em termos de solução para alguns dos problemas que atingem a MB.

Sds


Lord Nauta

[Marechal-do-ar]

Eu sei que tem um monte de gente que acha chic no último essa coisa de sub nuclear, que acreditam que se tivermos alguns vamos impedir os gringos de pegarem a Amazônia, por debaixo do braço e levar embora. Para estes não falo nada, não vou me incomodar se alguém gosta de se intoxicar com maionese estragada. O que não consigo entender, é gente que deveria, por dever ofício, ter os pés no chão, e mesmo assim ainda gasta o pouco que a MB tem nessa baleia branca. Uma marinha que não tem escoltas, não tem dinheiro para manter adequadamente os poucos SSKs que possui, e ainda assim fica gastando os tubos com pesquisa nuclear, é no mínimo uma marinha que não consegue definir prioridades. Essas pesquisas deveriam ser financiadas e geridas por algum outro órgão, que não drenasse os parcos recursos da gloriosa. Mas uma marinha que insiste em gastar com um PA que não navega, não tem sequer navios escolta ou até mesmo petroleiro para abastece-lo (pelo que ouvi, o Marajó está no bico do urubu), não pode ser levada a sério.

Se tem algo que eu concordo nesse post é que o programa nuclear deveria ser bancado por outro órgão.

Agora falando em Brasil, é até vergonhoso não ter um programa nuclear decente, forças militares decentes, etc, e, o programa nuclear atual, o SSN, os Scorpènè, o Prosuper, os mísseis e as demais bondades com os militares nos últimos anos parecem ter tido um único propósito: Gerar propinas.

Sendo assim, pouco adianta reclamar do que deveria ser ou de onde deveria vir o dinheiro para isso ou aquilo, o problema é bem mais embaixo.

[FCarvalho]

vplemes, atentes para uma realidade nua e crua para as ffaa's no Brasil: se pedirem 10, dão 5. Se pedirem 5, dão 3. Se pedirem 3, vão dar 1. Se pedirem 1, vão dizer que não tem dinheiro. E se ninguém pedir nada, agradecem. Simples assim. Desde 1822.

abs.

[talharim]

COORDENADORIA-GERAL DO PROGRAMA DE
DESENVOLVIMENTO DE SUBMARINO COM
PROPULSÃO NUCLEAR
GERÊNCIA ADMINISTRATIVO-FINANCEIRA
EXTRATO DE ACORDO
Termo de Acordo Administrativo de Desapropriação celebrado de
acordo com a alínea "a" do art. 5º e art. 10º do Decreto nº
3.365/1941:
Processo NUP: 62164.002823/2015-49.
Espécie: Termo de Acordo nº 001, de 28 de junho de 2016.
Partes: União Federal e Antonio Carlos da Silva Galdino.
Expropriado: Antonio Carlos da Silva Galdino, CPF: 384.939.777-
72.
Objeto: Desapropriação da benfeitoria situada na Estrada Joaquim
Fernandes nº 259 - fundos, Ilha da Madeira, Itaguaí/RJ, compreendendo
uma benfeitoria de concreto e alvenaria, com área aproximada
construída de 70,00m². Manifestação Jurídica referencial. Parecer
nº 00026/2016/CTV/GAM/NAMI/CGU/AGU, de 07 de março
de 2016. (Nos Termos da Orientação Normativa AGU nº 55, de 23 de
maio de 2014).
Nomes das Partes: ANTONIO CARLOS DA SILVA GALDINO e
CA (RM1-IM) FRANCISCO JOSÉ DE ARAUJO

[vplemes]

vplemes, atentes para uma realidade nua e crua para as ffaa's no Brasil: se pedirem 10, dão 5. Se pedirem 5, dão 3. Se pedirem 3, vão dar 1. Se pedirem 1, vão dizer que não tem dinheiro. E se ninguém pedir nada, agradecem. Simples assim. Desde 1822.

abs.

Eu sei disso é concordo com você. O que me espanta é ver a MB que deveria saber disso melhor que todos nós, ficar insistindo nesses projetos elefante branco. O que se gasta anualmente nesse projeto poderia estar fazendo a diferença operacionalidade da esquadra. Já que o dinheiro é curto, porque não por os pés no chão e investir em equipamentos e navios que a tornem uma marinha verdadeiramente operacional? Porque não investir primeiro arroz com feijão, e depois, se a nação e seus governantes decidirem ( de verdade, END e PEAEMB de mentirinha não conta) que o Brasil deve ter uma força de Subs nucleares, e garantirem recursos para criar e manter tal força, aí sim, investir na sua criação? Do jeito que está, a MB está parecendo morador de rua no inverno tentado se cobrir do frio com uma toalha de rosto. Nunca vai conseguir.

[FCarvalho]

O problema todo do projeto do subnuc, e demais projetos das ffaa's, é que eles nasceram como projetos... das ffaa's, e não do Estado. Sem este envolvimento, bem explicado por você acima, fica realmente muito difícil fazer qualquer coisa. Sem que a sociedade e o poder público entenderem e apoiarem estes projetos, todos eles estarão fadados ao ostracismo ou à insolvência. Aparentemente na última década e meia o alto comando das ffaa chegou a acreditar que isso já era fato entre nós. Enganaram-se a si mesmos, e a nós, que embarcamos também em mais este conto da sereia política nacional. Vivendo e aprendendo.

abs

[FCarvalho]

Agora é que o negócio vai ficar feio.

Corrupção no setor nuclear expõe Brasil a comunidade internacional

http://www.defesaaereanaval.com.br/corr ... rnacional/

abs.

[Penguin]

Scorpene comprometido...
Deep shit!


DEFENCE
Our French submarine builder in massive leak scandal

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... a4d42db39e

The French company that won the bid to design Australia’s new $50 billion submarine fleet has suffered a massive leak of secret documents, raising fears about the future security of top-secret data on the navy’s future fleet.

The stunning leak, which runs to 22,400 pages and has been seen by The Australian, details the ­entire secret combat capability of the six Scorpene-class submarines that French shipbuilder DCNS has designed for the Indian Navy.

A variant of the same French-designed Scorpene is also used by the navies of Malaysia, Chile and, from 2018, Brazil, so news of the Edward Snowden-sized leak — ­revealed today — will trigger alarm at the highest level in these countries. Marked “Restricted Scorpene India”, the DCNS documents ­detail the most sensitive combat capabilities of India’s new $US3 bn ($3.9bn) submarine fleet and would provide an ­intelligence bonanza if obtained by India’s strategic rivals, such as Pakistan or China.

The leak will spark grave concern in Australia and especially in the US where senior navy officials have privately expressed fears about the security of top-secret data entrusted to France.

In April DCNS, which is two-thirds owned by the French government, won the hotly contested bid over Germany and Japan to design 12 new submarines for Australia. Its proposed submarine for Australia — the yet-to-be-built Shortfin Barracuda — was chosen ahead of its rivals because it was considered to be the quietest in the water, making it perfectly suited to intelligence-gathering operations against China and others in the ­region.

Any stealth advantage for the navy’s new submarines would be gravely compromised if data on its planned combat and performance capabilities was leaked in the same manner as the data from the ­Scorpene. The leaked DCNS data details the secret stealth capabilities of the six new Indian submarines, including what frequencies they gather intelligence at, what levels of noise they make at various speeds and their diving depths, range and endurance — all sensitive information that is highly classified. The data tells the submarine crew where on the boat they can speak safely to avoid ­detection by the enemy. It also discloses magnetic, electromagnetic and infra-red data as well as the specifications of the submarine’s torpedo launch system and the combat system.

MORE: Can French keep a secret?

It details the speed and conditions needed for using the periscope, the noise specifications of the propeller and the radiated noise levels that occur when the submarine surfaces.

The data seen by The Australian includes 4457 pages on the submarine’s underwater sensors, 4209 pages on its above-water sensors, 4301 pages on its combat management system, 493 pages on its torpedo launch system and specifications, 6841 pages on the sub’s communications system and 2138 on its navigation systems.

The Australian has chosen to redact sensitive information from the documents.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said it was important to note the submarine DCNS was building for India was a completely different model to the one it will build for Australia and the leaked information was a few years out of date. Nevertheless, any leak of classified information was a concern.

“We have the highest security protections on all of our defence information, whether it is in partnership with other countries or entirely within Australia,” he told the Seven Network today.

“But clearly, it is a reminder that, particularly in this digital world, cyber security is of critical importance.”

Influential senator Nick Xenophon said he would pursue the security breach when parliament returns next week.

Senator Xenophon, who leads a bloc of three senators, said Australia needed serious explanations from DCNS, the federal government and the Defence Department about any implications for Australia.

“This is really quite disastrous to have thousands of pages of your combat system leaked in this way,” the senator told ABC radio.

Sea trials for the first of India’s six Scorpene submarines began in May. The project is running four years behind schedule.

The Indian Navy has boasted that its Scorpene submarines have superior stealth features, which give them a major advantage against other submarines.

The US will be alarmed by the leak of the DCNS data because Australia hopes to install an American combat system — with the latest US stealth technology — in the French Shortfin Barracuda.

If Washington does not feel confident that its “crown jewels’’ of stealth technology can be protected, it may decline to give Australia its state-of-the-art combat system.

DCNS yesterday sought to ­reassure Australians that the leak of the data on the Indian Scorpene submarine would not happen with its proposed submarine for Australia. The company also implied — but did not say directly — that the leak might have occurred at India’s end, rather than from France. “Uncontrolled technical data is not possible in the Australian ­arrangements,” the company said. “Multiple and independent controls exist within DCNS to prevent unauthorised access to data and all data movements are encrypted and recorded. In the case of India, where a DCNS design is built by a local company, DCNS is the provider and not the controller of technical data.

“In the case of Australia, and unlike India, DCNS is both the provider and in-country controller of technical data for the full chain of transmission and usage over the life of the submarines.”

However, The Australian has been told that the data on the Scorpene was written in France for India in 2011 and is suspected of being removed from France in that same year by a former French Navy officer who was at that time a DCNS subcontractor.

The data is then believed to have been taken to a company in Southeast Asia, possibly to assist in a commercial venture for a ­regional navy.

It was subsequently passed by a third party to a second company in the region before being sent on a data disk by regular mail to a company in Australia. It is unclear how widely the data has been shared in Asia or whether it has been obtained by foreign ­intelligence agencies.

The data seen by The Australian also includes separate confidential DCNS files on plans to sell French frigates to Chile and the French sale of the Mistral-class amphibious assault ship carrier to Russia. These DCNS projects have no link to India, which adds weight to the probability that the data files were removed from DCNS in France.

DCNS Australia this month signed a deed of agreement with the Defence Department, ­paving the way for talks over the contract which will guide the design phase of the new ­submarines. The government plans to build 12 submarines in Adelaide to replace the six-boat Collins-class fleet from the early 2030s. The Shortfin Barracuda will be a slightly shorter, conventionally powered version of France’s new fleet of Barracuda-class nuclear submarines.

Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne said his officials believed the leak had “no bearing” on the Australia’s submarine program.

“The Future Submarine Program operates under stringent security requirements that govern the manner in which all information and technical data is managed now and into the future,” Mr Pyne’s office said in a statement.

“The same requirements apply to the protection of all sensitive information and technical data for the Collins class submarines, and have operated successfully for decades.”

Restricted data

The secret information the leaked documents reveal:

• The stealth capabilities of the six new Indian Scorpene submarines

• The frequencies at which the subs gather intelligence

• The levels of noise the subs make at various speeds

• Diving depths, range and endurance

• Magnetic, electromagnetic and infra-red data

• Specifications of the submarine’s torpedo launch system and the combat system

• Speed and conditions needed for using the periscope

• Propeller’s noise specifications

• Radiated noise levels when the submarine surfaces

View the leaked documents below. If you are using a mobile device, you can view the extracts on the desktop version of theaustralian.com.au

Secret submarine document one

Secret submarine document two

Secret submarine document three

Additional reporting: Jared Owens, AAP

[Penguin]

French submarine maker hit by secret data leak: report
By AFP
PUBLISHED: 01:44 GMT, 24 August 2016 | UPDATED: 01:44 GMT, 24 August 2016

French defence contractor DCNS has been hit by a massive leak of secret data on its submarines likely to alarm India, Malaysia and Chile, which use the boats, The Australian newspaper reported Wednesday.

The 22,400 leaked pages, which the daily said it had seen, detail the combat capability of the Scorpene-class submarine DCNS designed for the Indian navy, and variants of which are used by Malaysia and Chile.

Brazil is also due to deploy the vessels from 2018.

The submarines involved in the data leak are a scaled down conventionally-powered version of France's 4,700-tonne Barracuda, pictured here in a computer-gene...
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The submarines involved in the data leak are a scaled down conventionally-powered version of France's 4,700-tonne Barracuda, pictured here in a computer-generated image.

Australia awarded DCNS an Aus$50 billion (US$38 billion) contract last April to design and build its next generation of submarines.

But Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull sought to play down the impact in Canberra saying while the leak was "of concern", the Scorpene was a different model to the subs Australia is buying.

"The submarine we are building or will be building with the French is called the Barracuda, quite, completely different submarine to the Scorpene they are building for India," he told Channel Seven.

"We have the highest security protections on all of our defence information, whether it is in partnership with other countries or entirely within Australia."

Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne issued a statement saying the leak "has no bearing on the Australian government's future submarine programme".

The programme, the statement said, "operates under stringent security requirements that govern the manner in which all information and technical data is managed now and into the future".

The leaked documents were marked "Restricted Scorpene India" and gave the combat capabilities of India's new submarine fleet, The Australian said.

They also included thousands of pages on the submarine sensors and thousands more on its communication and navigation systems as well as nearly 500 pages on the torpedo launch system alone.

DCNS told AFP that it was aware of the articles published in the Australian press and that "national security authorities" had launched an inquiry into the matter, without giving details.

"This inquiry will determine the precise nature of the documents which have been leaked, the potential damage to our customers as well as those responsible."

The Australian said DCNS implied that the leak may have come from India rather than France.

The daily, however, said the data was thought to have been removed from France in 2011 by a former French navy officer who at the time was a subcontractor for DCNS.

The data is believed to have passed through firms in Southeast Asia before eventually being mailed to a company in Australia, the newspaper said.

Australia awarded its submarine contract to DCNS but the secret combat system for the 12 Shortfin Barracudas is being supplied by the United States.

The submarines are a scaled-down conventionally powered version of France's 4,700-tonne Barracuda.

The DCNS website says the new vessel would be "the recipient of France's most sensitive and protected submarine technology and will be the most lethal conventional submarine ever contemplated".

[akivrx78]

India probes huge data leak at French submarine builder DCNS; Australian design unaffected

Aug 24, 2016

SYDNEY/NEW, DELHI – India is investigating damage caused to French Scorpene submarines that are being built in the country, the Defense Ministry said Wednesday, after the leak of documents relating to the vessel’s combat capabilities.

The leak, which was first reported in The Australian newspaper, contains more than 22,000 pages outlining the secret capabilities of six submarines that French builder DCNS has designed for the Indian Navy.

“I understand there has been a case of hacking,” Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar told reporters. “We will find out what has happened.”

The submarines are being built at a state-run shipyard in Mumbai and the first one was expected to join service by the end of the year, the first step in the navy’s effort to rebuild its dwindling fleet.

The massive leak has also raised doubts about the security of DCNS’s submarine project in Australia where it won a 50 billion Australian dollar ($38.06 billion) contract to build the next generation of submarines.

DCNS beat out Germany’s ThyssenKrupp AG and a Japanese-government backed bid by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and Kawasaki Heavy Industries, in a blow to Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s push to develop defense export capabilities as part of a more muscular security agenda.

The leaked documents cover the Scorpene-class model and do not contain any details of the vessel currently being designed for the Australian fleet.

“As a serious matter pertaining to the Indian Scorpene program, French national authorities for defense security will formally investigate and determine the exact nature of the leaked documents,” a DCNS spokeswoman said in a statement.

“The matters in connection to India have no bearing on the Australian submarine program which operates under the Australian government’s arrangements for the protection of sensitive data.”

A spokesman for the French embassy in Canberra declined to comment.

The breadth of detail in the documents creates a major strategic problem for India, Malaysia and Chile, all of which operate the same submarine, an Australian political source with decades of experience in the global arms industry said.

Excerpts published in redacted form on the newspaper’s website contained highly sensitive details of the submarine including technical manuals and models of the boat’s antennae.

“If it’s 22,400 pages, it’s a major stuff-up,” the source said. “It’s a huge deal.

“It allows them to understand everything about the submarines. What speeds it can do; how noisy it is; what speeds the mast can be raised at … all of that is just devastating.”

The Indian Defense Ministry said it was probing the impact of the leak on the submarine program that it said had occurred from abroad. It gave no details.

“The available information is being examined at Integrated Headquarters, Ministry of Defense (Navy) and an analysis is being carried out by the concerned specialists,” it said in a statement.

“It appears that the source of leak is from overseas and not in India.”

Uday Bhaskar, a former naval officer, said that if the leak was established, it would amount to a significant compromise of the credibility of the submarines.

India has a fleet of 13 aging submarines, only half of which are operational at any time, opening up a major gap with China which is expanding its maritime presence in the Indian Ocean.

Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull sought to deflect concerns about the leak, touting the high security standards in Australia, where the submarine will be built. The Australian reported that the leak occurred in France in 2011.

“But clearly, it is a reminder that, particularly in this digital world, cybersecurity is of critical importance,” he told the Seven TV network.

Japan had been seen as an early front-runner for the contract, but inexperience in global defense deals and an initial reluctance to say it would build in Australia saw it slip behind DCNS and ThyssenKrupp.

Tokyo called the decision “deeply regrettable” and demanded an explanation from Australia of why its bid failed.

The leak comes as Australian Defense Minister Marise Payne announced that she would visit Japan this week for meetings with her Japanese counterpart, Tomomi Inada, the first visit by an Australian defense minister since the winning bid was announced.

[Penguin]

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