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Re: JAS-39 Gripen

Enviado: Qua Jan 14, 2009 11:41 am
por Grifon
peguei do MP.net
Tuesday January 13, 02:54 AM Source: Indian Express Finance

5 in fray for IAF's $10-bn deal for 126 aircraft

By Huma Siddiqui

The most eagerly anticipated contest for Indian Air Force's medium multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA) requirement for at least 126 aircraft has taken off with the technical evaluation committee (TEC) in the Air Headquarters having sent evaluation report to the ministry of defence.
Now, out of six only five contenders which last year responded to the two-part bid for the $ 10-billion deal, will go for the field trials, as one of the bidders has failed to meet the technology specifications mentioned in the request for proposal (RFP) for the 126 fighters for IAF.
According to sources, based on the recommendations made by the TEC, after examining the technical bids, the Swedish "JAS 39 Gripen" has failed to make grade on the technology front for the deal. "The recommendations were made last week and now the ministry of defence has to take a final decision on this," sources explained.
"The five bidders, including Boeing's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault's Rafale, Eurofighter's Typhoon, Lockheed Martin's F-16, Russian Aircraft Corporation's (RAC's) MiG with the MiG-35, are now expected to participate in the field trials that will start in a couple of months," said sources.
Apart from technical reasons, India also needs to balance its strategic interests well. The order is one of the largest global tender for defence aircraft at present. Government spokesman Sitanshu Kar said it wanted to make sure there was "maximum competition till the last stage... Also, our objective is to get the best equipment and platforms at the best price."
While India continues to have a close relationship with Dassault, which supplied the IAF with Mirage 2000 fighters in the 1980s, the Rafale of Dassault and the Typhoon from Eurofighter could likely struggle with the issue of cost. Both are relatively large, twin-engined platforms, which will significantly increase operating costs compared with the single-engined MiG-21 fleet it will replace.
The technological excellence of a modern MMRCA like the Eurofighter or the Rafale lies not in its airframe, engines, or flying performance, say experts. Instead, it has an advantage in avionics and in its net-centric capability, whereby the aircraft and its pilot are seamlessly integrated into an electronic battlefield management system.
Though the MiG-35 is seen by many as a strong contender, however, over the past year India's relationship with Russia with regards to arms contracts has soured. Military analysts have pointed out that the two US contenders, though seem well placed in terms of price and capability, the biggest issue to both F-16s and Boeing Super Hornet platforms is the authorisation of technology transfer.
Chris Chadwick president of Precision Engagement and Mobility Systems of Boeing Integrated Defence Systems told FE, "We are very well positioned to establish a long-term relationship with the IAF and the ministry of defence."
"The RFP lays down that the first aircraft is supplied within 36 months of the contract being signed and the 18th within 48 months. The 19th aircraft, the first to be assembled in India, will come within 54 months. Thereafter, there will be an incremental increase with the last aircraft to be delivered by 2020,"said Boeing officials.
The Saab Gripen is single engined, which will keep operating costs low, upgrades are already being defined under the Gripen Demonstrator programme and acquisition costs are highly competitive. It is estimated that the operational cost of the JAS fighter is probably 50% lower than other aircraft in its class that is currently, or planned to be, in service.

http://in.biz.yahoo.com/090112/203/6zas4.html
yahoo eh uma fonte confiável?

Re: JAS-39 Gripen

Enviado: Qua Jan 14, 2009 3:35 pm
por Dieneces
É bom lermos o texto todo e não nos atermos somente ao trecho grifado pelo Grifon (a rima não foi intencional)....especialmente o último parágrafo... :wink:

Re: JAS-39 Gripen

Enviado: Qua Jan 14, 2009 6:34 pm
por AlbertoRJ
A se confirmar essa notícia, poderemos ficar sozinhos no Gripen NG?
Ou existe mais algum país com possibilidades de comprá-lo?

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Re: JAS-39 Gripen

Enviado: Qui Jan 15, 2009 3:14 am
por Mapinguari
Grifon escreveu:peguei do MP.net
Tuesday January 13, 02:54 AM Source: Indian Express Finance

5 in fray for IAF's $10-bn deal for 126 aircraft

By Huma Siddiqui

The most eagerly anticipated contest for Indian Air Force's medium multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA) requirement for at least 126 aircraft has taken off with the technical evaluation committee (TEC) in the Air Headquarters having sent evaluation report to the ministry of defence.
Now, out of six only five contenders which last year responded to the two-part bid for the $ 10-billion deal, will go for the field trials, as one of the bidders has failed to meet the technology specifications mentioned in the request for proposal (RFP) for the 126 fighters for IAF.
According to sources, based on the recommendations made by the TEC, after examining the technical bids, the Swedish "JAS 39 Gripen" has failed to make grade on the technology front for the deal. "The recommendations were made last week and now the ministry of defence has to take a final decision on this," sources explained.
"The five bidders, including Boeing's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault's Rafale, Eurofighter's Typhoon, Lockheed Martin's F-16, Russian Aircraft Corporation's (RAC's) MiG with the MiG-35, are now expected to participate in the field trials that will start in a couple of months," said sources.
Apart from technical reasons, India also needs to balance its strategic interests well. The order is one of the largest global tender for defence aircraft at present. Government spokesman Sitanshu Kar said it wanted to make sure there was "maximum competition till the last stage... Also, our objective is to get the best equipment and platforms at the best price."
While India continues to have a close relationship with Dassault, which supplied the IAF with Mirage 2000 fighters in the 1980s, the Rafale of Dassault and the Typhoon from Eurofighter could likely struggle with the issue of cost. Both are relatively large, twin-engined platforms, which will significantly increase operating costs compared with the single-engined MiG-21 fleet it will replace.
The technological excellence of a modern MMRCA like the Eurofighter or the Rafale lies not in its airframe, engines, or flying performance, say experts. Instead, it has an advantage in avionics and in its net-centric capability, whereby the aircraft and its pilot are seamlessly integrated into an electronic battlefield management system.
Though the MiG-35 is seen by many as a strong contender, however, over the past year India's relationship with Russia with regards to arms contracts has soured. Military analysts have pointed out that the two US contenders, though seem well placed in terms of price and capability, the biggest issue to both F-16s and Boeing Super Hornet platforms is the authorisation of technology transfer.
Chris Chadwick president of Precision Engagement and Mobility Systems of Boeing Integrated Defence Systems told FE, "We are very well positioned to establish a long-term relationship with the IAF and the ministry of defence."
"The RFP lays down that the first aircraft is supplied within 36 months of the contract being signed and the 18th within 48 months. The 19th aircraft, the first to be assembled in India, will come within 54 months. Thereafter, there will be an incremental increase with the last aircraft to be delivered by 2020,"said Boeing officials.
The Saab Gripen is single engined, which will keep operating costs low, upgrades are already being defined under the Gripen Demonstrator programme and acquisition costs are highly competitive. It is estimated that the operational cost of the JAS fighter is probably 50% lower than other aircraft in its class that is currently, or planned to be, in service.

http://in.biz.yahoo.com/090112/203/6zas4.html
yahoo eh uma fonte confiável?
A notícia não é do Yahoo. É a transcrição de uma matéria do Indian Express Finance. Pode ser sério ou pode ser puro lobby dos adversários. Se for verdade, é mais um revés do NG. Vamos aguardar.

Re: JAS-39 Gripen

Enviado: Qui Jan 15, 2009 8:40 am
por Sintra
Acabou de aparecer no Defpro.
And then there were five…

JAS Gripen has failed to meet the technology specifications. (defpro)
Indian Air Force’s $10 billion multirole combat aircraft programme proceeds

09:41 GMT, January 15, 2009 The contest for one of the biggest fighter aircraft deals since the early 1990s, the Indian Air Force’s medium multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA) requirement for at least 126 aircraft has passed to the next step with the evaluation report of the technical evaluation committee (TEC). According to this report only five of initially six bidders will continue the contest and go for the field trials.

The Swedish JAS 39 Gripen has failed to meet the technology specifications mentioned in the request for proposal (RFP), the report said and therefore could not continue to participate in this contest for the $10 billion (€7,6 billion) IAF deal.

According to sources, based on the recommendations made by the TEC after examining the technical bids, the Gripen has failed to make grade on the technology front for the deal. “The recommendations were made last week and now the MoD has to take a final decision on this,” sources explained to the Financial Express.

The remaining five bidders, consisting of Boeing’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault’s Rafale, Eurofighter’s Typhoon, Lockheed Martin’s F-16, and Russian Mikoyan’s MiG-35 are now expected to participate in the field trials that will start in a couple of months.

Under the conditions of IAF’s RFP, 18 of the jet fighters would be brought off the shelf and the remaining 108 will be manufactured by the public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd through licensed transfer of technology.

"The RFP lays down that the first aircraft is supplied within 36 months of the contract being signed and the 18th within 48 months. The 19th aircraft, the first to be assembled in India, will come within 54 months. Thereafter, there will be an incremental increase with the last aircraft to be delivered by 2020,"an Boeing officials said.
http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/219/

De qualquer forma vamos aguardar por uma declaração oficial.

Re: JAS-39 Gripen

Enviado: Qui Jan 15, 2009 9:29 am
por Wolfgang
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Re: JAS-39 Gripen

Enviado: Qui Jan 15, 2009 10:10 am
por irlan
não achava que o gripen seria o primeiro a sair, pensava que seria um dos "f's"...

Re: JAS-39 Gripen

Enviado: Qui Jan 15, 2009 12:11 pm
por Carlos Mathias
Falta peso político à Suécia.

Re: JAS-39 Gripen

Enviado: Qui Jan 15, 2009 2:46 pm
por Immortal Horgh
O peso-mosca está nocauteado em pé :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



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Re: JAS-39 Gripen

Enviado: Qui Jan 15, 2009 3:16 pm
por Skyway
Carlos Mathias escreveu:Falta peso político à Suécia.
Nisso eu concordo...excelentes produtos mas sem peso político para se por em igualdade aos concorrentes.

Re: JAS-39 Gripen

Enviado: Qui Jan 15, 2009 3:21 pm
por Wolfgang
Immortal Love, meu caro, porque essa admiração por objetos fálicos/ pontiagudos em ângulo de 45º? Algum propósito que você esconde dentro de suas entranhas?

Flanker inclinado, S-300 inclinadinho, martelo inclinado... O povo quer saber!

Re: JAS-39 Gripen

Enviado: Qui Jan 15, 2009 3:28 pm
por Immortal Horgh
Wolfgang escreveu:Immortal Love, meu caro, porque essa admiração por objetos fálicos/ pontiagudos em ângulo de 45º? Algum propósito que você esconde dentro de suas entranhas?

Flanker inclinado, S-300 inclinadinho, martelo inclinado... O povo quer saber!
ô, seu americanófilo, presta atenção que é o S-400 Triumph :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:



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Re: JAS-39 Gripen

Enviado: Qui Jan 15, 2009 3:29 pm
por Wolfgang
Immortal Horgh escreveu:
Wolfgang escreveu:Immortal Love, meu caro, porque essa admiração por objetos fálicos/ pontiagudos em ângulo de 45º? Algum propósito que você esconde dentro de suas entranhas?

Flanker inclinado, S-300 inclinadinho, martelo inclinado... O povo quer saber!
ô, seu americanófilo, presta atenção que é o S-400 Triumph :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:



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Huuumm... um mais potente?

Re: JAS-39 Gripen

Enviado: Qui Jan 15, 2009 3:46 pm
por kekosam
Aiaiaiaiai... vamos parar com esta conversa...

Ado ado ado... cada um com seu objeto fálico... ok??

Re: JAS-39 Gripen

Enviado: Qui Jan 15, 2009 5:23 pm
por Luís Henrique
Em um país que não tem preconceito por material russo, pra que adquirir o gripen se por um preço semelhante, quiçá melhor pode-se ter o MiG-35.

Uma aeronave de outra classe...