Fórum Defesa Brasil

Pois é Penguin,

O problema aí é que os tempos mudam, e aquela velha máxima das relações internacionais, países não tem amigos, tem interesses.
Quanto a motivos, indiferente ao que seja, partindo da hipótese de um conflito armado entre ambos, fica claro que nós estaríamos em condições de desvantagem, até pelo que bem colocastes.
Apenas para citar mais uma questão, todo o SISCEAB está nas mãos dos franceses, da extinta Thonson à Thales/Ominisys atualmente.
Essa dependência é crônica e longeva. E cá entre nós, como diria Sun Tzu, é a melhor maneira de vencer uma guerra sem precisar disparar um único tiro. Já perdemos antes mesmo de começar.
Até por isso penso que os programa de PDI em tecnologias militares a fim de gerar insumos nacionais deveriam ser prioridade número 1 no orçamento do MD. Pode demorar, ser caro demais, não trazer exatamente no que precisamos, mas seria o nosso "grito do Ipiranga" em termos de defesa.
Nossa dependência de importações para manter nossos meios é nossa maior fraqueza. E nossa derrota pré anunciada contra qualquer um que não esteja na nossa vizinhança imediata.

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Two French Navy FREMM Frigates Won A U.S. Navy Award For ASW Excellence
The French Navy (Marine Nationale) FREMM Frigates FS Auvergne and FS Bretagne won the US Navy's "Hook'em" award. This is the second time U.S. 6th Fleet has provided the award to French ships for their ability to find and track submarines.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... xcellence/

09 OCTOBER 2020

France to arm future OPVs with RAPIDFire Naval CIWS
by Victor Barreira

The 10 offshore patrol vessels (OPVs) to be acquired for the French Navy under the Patrouilleurs Océanique (PO) programme will be armed with the Thales/Nexter RAPIDFire Naval multirole close-in weapon system (CIWS), Commander Ghislain Deleplanque, head of the French Navy’s Protection & Safeguarding Office, Future Naval Programs, revealed during the Defence iQ's OPV International online conference.


The RAPIDFire Naval CWIS is capable of engaging threats such as UAVs, helicopters, ground-attack fighters, cruise missiles, fast patrol boats, and sea-skimming missiles. (Thales)

The PO programme was formally launched in June by the French Ministry of the Armed Forces, with design activity currently being carried out by Naval Group. An acquisition and construction contract has yet to be placed.

The RAPIDFire Naval CIWS developed by Thales and Nexter comprises a non-penetrating gun mount fitted with the CTA International 40CTAS (40 mm Cased Telescoped Ammunition System) and an optronic fire-control system, an ammunition magazine for around 140 ready-to-fire rounds, gun control equipment and an automatic ammunition handling system. It can function either in an integrated or autonomous mode.

The gyrostabilised gun has a firing rate up to 200 rds/min with a typical burst against air threats of up to 10 anti-aerial air burst rounds, and an effective range up to 4,000 m and up to 2,500 m against surface threats using point detonating, air burst, and armour-piercing fin-stabilised discarding sabot rounds.

The 10 OPVs are scheduled to be commissioned between 2025 and 2029. They will have an overall length of around 90 m, a displacement of around 2,000 tonnes, and will carry a crew complement of 40.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... naval-ciws

First steel cut for the POM program. French Ministry of the Armed Forces picture.
SOCARENAM Begins Construction On French Navy’s POM OPV
French Shipyard SOCARENAM started construction of the French Navy (Marine Nationale)'s first of six new offshore patrol vessels known as “POM” (Patrouilleur d’Outre-Mer). French Minister of the Armed Forces, Florence Parly, attended the steel cutting ceremony at the shipyard in Saint Malo, Brittany.
Xavier Vavasseur 09 Oct 2020

The French Ministry of Armed Forces on January 17 2020 confirmed an order for six “POM” offshore patrol vessels. The contract was awarded on December 24 2019 to a Socarenam / CNN MCO consortium by the procurement agency DGA. Intended for the French Navy, these OPVs will be based in French overseas territories to replace the ageing P400-class patrol boats.:

Two POM vessels will be based in New Caledonia (Nouméa)
Two in la Réunion (Port-des-Galets)
And two in French Polynesia (Papeete).

About POM offshore patrol vessels



The POMs will be based in New Caledonia (Noumea), Reunion (Port-des-Galets) and French Polynesia (Papeete) Credit: Socarenam
The future POM patrol ships will carry out protection missions in France’s exclusive economic zones (EEZ), intervene against maritime pollution and in favor of environmental protection, as well as rescue and assistance to people.

The POM will have an endurance of 30 days without refueling. Each ship will accommodate a crew of 30 sailors and 23 passengers and operate an unmanned aerial vehicle. Their armament will include a 20mm caliber remote-controlled turret (Narwhal by Nexter), as well as 12.7 mm and 7.62mm machine guns. The POM vessel will be 80 meters long and 11.8 meters wide, with a draft of 3.5 meters.

Nexeya will supply the combat management system for these vessels.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... s-pom-opv/

French Navy’s new FREMM frigate Alsace conducts 1st sea trials
VESSELS
October 9, 2020, by Naida Hakirevic
Alsace, the first of two multi-mission air-defense frigates in the FREMM program being built for the French Navy, has carried out its first sea trials.

The newbuilding — which is also the seventh French frigate of the FREMM program — left the Naval Group site in Lorient, France, on 5 October 2020 for its first sea trials campaign.

https://www.navaltoday.com/2020/10/09/f ... ea-trials/

France to Develop New Aircraft Carrier and Next-Gen SSBN: Minister

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/artic ... ister.html

Não que os programas franceses sejam exatamente uma referência de custos para nós, mas é bem ilustrativo do tamanho da jaca que é projetar, desenvolver, testar e lançar um Nae ao mar.
É simples assim, Nae não são para amadores.

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https://translate.google.com/translate? ... 16-n1.html


Em maio a França também vai vir ao Japão para exercícios conjuntos,

Mais um elefante branco nuclear francês só para eles poderem insuflar o ego e dizer "eu tenho a força!!!"
Pensei que esse fã clube do He-Man de Paris já tivesse sido extinto com o desenho.

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Alguma informação sobre o deslocamento e demais características desse novo Nae fracês? A única referência que vi é que será maior que o atual.
E ponto, continua valendo a velha regra de sempre: quem tem um não tem nenhum, Quem tem dois, tem um. Quem tem três, pode ter dois, e assim por diante.
Será que eles lembram?