Fórum Defesa Brasil

Parem com a choradeiras, pombas!
Vamos fabricar mais de 2500 Guaranis! (Uruvecos).
Os FN vão ter blindados para dar de presente.

Marino escreveu:Calma, comparem com equilíbrio.
Quais os meios que eles tem para transportar os 40 blindados, mais os Skorpions, mais o resto?
Um chifrudo, como o Matoso Maia, e creio que duas barcaças de desembarque, pequenas, que são mais embarcações que navios.
Pretendem comprar outro anfíbio para substituir o primeiro, mas a capacidade de transporte continua a mesma.
Então, na pobre visão deste que escreve, a capacidade deles é fazer incursões anfíbias, não um desembarque anfíbio convencional.
Vejo (EU, com todos meus erros), que a tropa de FN lá seria usada como tropa de terra, como o Exército, exceto pelas incursões que escrevi, que não deixam de ser importantíssimas.
Aqui, vejam o nº de anfíbios para transportarmos os navais, e a reclamação dos mesmos de que precisamos de mais, e os planos para (e a quantidade) os NPM e os NTrAp.
Pensem.

O chile é um pais, que sempre teve ambições expansionistas....vide a história.

É mas atualmente não tem mais COMO nem PARA ONDE se expandir, o custo seria alto demais, e não estou falando exatamente em dinheiro...

brisa escreveu:O chile é um pais, que sempre teve ambições expansionistas....vide a história.

Realmente no veo porqué...?, la historia no muestra eso.

Respecto a las fuerzas anfibias chilenas, hoy estas son pocas:

a) Una clase Newport
b) Dos clase BATRAL (LSTH de 1.400 toneladas)
c) Un transporte APH de 4.550 toneladas

Se pretende compara 2 LPD o LPH, uno muy pronto y otro después.
Ente los candidatos más nombrados están:

a) San Giorgio
b) Froude
c) Bay

Saludos,

Tomaram territórios peruanos e bolivianos.....e so não tomaram a patagonia argentina, porque são mais fracos.

‘Submarine launched Brahmos in advanced stage of development’

Submarine launched version of the supersonic BrahMos cruise missile is
in final stages of development, and Russia says that the new Amur subs
being offered to India have the capability to launch these weapons.

“The submarine launched version of Indo-Russian BrahMos is in the very
advanced stage of development,” Chief of NPO Mashinostroyeniya (NPOM)
Corporation Alexander Leonov here said.

Mr. Leonov said St. Petersburg-based Central Naval Design Bureau
“Rubin” has already worked out options for the deployment of BrahMos
missiles on the new “Amur—1650” conventional submarines offered to
India, which can be launched from underwater position.

The new Russian conventional submarines will be equipped with tubes
for launching them from underwater position, he said. India is facing
problems in testing these strategic new missiles in the absence of a
platform.

Indian Navy’s current range of submarines including Russian Kilo
Class, German SSK and the French Scorpene under construction at
Mazagoan docks under a Indo-French joint venture do not have the
capability to launch these supersonic missiles.

NPOM is equity partner in the Indo—Russian BrahMos Aerospace JV. Mr.
Leonov said India—based BrahMos Aerospace JV has signed new contracts
with the Indian Air Force, Navy and Army for the delivery of cruise
missiles through 2017, ARMS—TASS military newswire reported.

brisa escreveu:Tomaram territórios peruanos e bolivianos.....e so não tomaram a patagonia argentina, porque são mais fracos.

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mas teve uma pequena indenização....

Posso estar enganado mas creio que foi A ARGENTINA que tomou a Patagônia do Chile...

brisa escreveu:mas teve uma pequena indenização....

Equinus albinys indenizatrus.

Túlio escreveu:Posso estar enganado mas creio que foi A ARGENTINA que tomou a Patagônia do Chile...

Pois é , estas mesmo enganado. A Patagonia foi ocupada na presidencia de Nicolás Avellaneda, o qual expulsou os indios (Mapuches, Araucanos e outros para o Chile), seguindo a política de ocupação ditada por Domingos Sarmiento.

The Conquest of the Desert and the 1881 treaty



Argentine authorities worried the strong connections araucanized tribes had with Chile that allegedly gave Chile certain influence over the pampas. Argentine authorities feared an eventual war with Chile over Patagonia where the natives would side with the Chileans and that it would therefore be fought in the vicinities of Buenos Aires.
The decision of planning and executing the Conquest of the Desert was probably triggered by the 1872 attack of Cufulcurá and his 6,000 followers on the cities of General Alvear, Veinticinco de Mayo and Nueve de Julio, where 300 criollos were killed, and 200,000 heads of cattle taken.
In the 1870s the Conquest of the Desert was a controversial campaign by the Argentine government, executed mainly by General Julio Argentino Roca, to subdue or, some claim, to exterminate the native peoples of the South. By the mid-1880s the campaign's objectives had largely been achieved. While fighting Peru and Bolivia in the War of the Pacific (1879–84) Chile waived most of its claim over the Patagonia in the Boundary treaty of 1881 between Chile and Argentina, in order to ensure Argentina's neutrality. Chilean popular belief sees this as a territorial loss of almost half a million square miles.
In 1885 a mining expeditionary party under the Romanian adventurer Julius Popper landed in southern Patagonia in search of gold, which they found after travelling southwards towards the lands of Tierra del Fuego. This further opened up some of the area to prospectors. European missionaries and settlers arrived through the 19th and 20th centuries, notably the Welsh settlement of the Chubut Valley.
During the first years of the 20th century, the border between the two nations in Patagonia was established by the mediation of the British crown. But it has undergone a lot of modifications since then, and there is still one place (50 km long) where there is no border established (Southern Patagonia Icefield).
Until 1902, a large proportion of Patagonias population were natives of Chiloé Archipelago (Chilotes) who worked as peons in large livestock farming estancias. As manual labour they had status below the gauchos and the Argentine, Chilean and European landowners and administrators.
Before and after 1902, when the boundaries were drawn, a lot of Chilotes were expelled from the Argentine side due to fear of what having a large Chilean population in Argentina could lead into in the future. These workers founded the first inland Chilean settlement in what is now the Aisén Region; Balmaceda. Lacking good grasslands on the forest-covered Chilean side, the immigrants burned down the forest, setting fires that could last more than two years.

valeu brisa o DB também é cultura