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#4681 Mensagem por PRick » Dom Nov 11, 2007 9:56 pm

rcolistete escreveu:
PRick escreveu:Não podemos esquecer que o Rafale será o F-3, com uma turbina ainda mais potente, quanto aos F-18A o custo é menor, mas será que os EUA vão liberar os AIM-120 só para a MB.


Prick, não vi nenhuma confirmação oficial que o motor M88-2 do Rafale F3 ou mesmo pós-F3 ("road map") será diferente do F1 e F2. Isso era dito há alguns anos mas a França mudou de planos e alguns sites, revistas e livros mais antigos ainda relatam tal M88-3 para o Rafale F3, o que é um erro.

A versão mais nova, M88-2E4 (etapa 4) oferece menores consumo de combustível e custo de operação, com maior durabilidade para partes críticas do motor, e está sendo usada nos Rafale F1, F2 e será nos Rafale F3. Os avanços M88-3 foram parcialmente absorvidos no M88-2E4.

Pelo menos é isso o que está sendo divulgado de 2005 para cá.

[]s, Roberto


Mas pelo que tinha lido, esta turbina será um pouco mais potente também. Quanto a sopa de letrinha não importa muito, se é 88-3 ou 88-2,5, etc... Eles mudam isto a toda hora, os russos então adoram brincar com a sopinha.

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#4682 Mensagem por Penguin » Dom Nov 11, 2007 11:15 pm

DATE:11/11/07
SOURCE:Flight International
Dubai 2007: Boeing forecasts Saudi order for 48 more F-15 fighters
By Craig Hoyle

Boeing is upbeat about its prospects in the global fighter market, despite the F-15's grounding for non-essential operations by Israel, Japan, Saudi Arabia and the USA in the wake of a 2 November crash. The decision followed the loss of a US Air National Guard F-15C, which is believed to have suffered a catastrophic structural failure during a routine training sortie. The aircraft's pilot ejected, suffering minor injuries.

The manufacturer, which says it is providing engineering support to the US Air Force during its investigation, recently received better news for its more than 35-year-old F-15 design, in the form of a follow-on order that will double the size of Singapore's F-15SG fleet to 24 aircraft by early next decade. Negotiations continue to supply South Korea with a second batch of 20 F-15Ks, and Boeing is also optimistic about securing a fresh deal with Saudi Arabia, reveals Chris Chadwick, vice-president/general manager global strike systems for the company's Integrated Defense Systems unit.

"We believe the Saudis are interested in new [F-15] aircraft," says Chadwick, citing concerns within the nation over the ongoing re-equipment of neighbouring Iran's armed forces. A decision on a follow-on package of 24-48 aircraft could come from Riyadh within the next two years, he believes. The Royal Saudi Air Force's 70-strong F-15S fleet is also undergoing an upgrade which will replace the type's Pratt & Whitney F100-229 engines with General Electric F110-129Cs.

Other opportunities for the F-15 include a possible South Korean requirement for a further 60 fighters and via Japan's McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom replacement effort, says Chadwick.

Boeing is meanwhile also looking for continued success from its F/A-18E/F Super Hornet design, having earlier this year secured a first export sale, to supply Australia with 24 F-model strike aircraft from 2010. Chadwick believes the nation's air force could have a larger requirement for the type, potentially to also include the US Navy's EA-18G Growler electronic-attack aircraft.

The Super Hornet will also be offered to meet the Indian air force's 126-aircraft medium multi-role combat aircraft requirement, with Chadwick saying success in the nation would enable Boeing to go "truly global". Noting that New Delhi's requirement for a 50% defence offset proposal related to the fighter deal - which will exclude the final assembly of 108 of the aircraft by Hindustan Aeronautics - is "sporty and difficult", he says the company is nonetheless "optimistically bullish" about securing the deal.

Technical responses to India's request for proposals are due next March, with offset proposals to be submitted during June. Boeing faces competition from the Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-16, RSK MiG-35 and Saab Gripen for the estimated $12 billion deal. Other Super Hornet prospects are listed as including Japan, Kuwait and Switzerland, with the latter having an emerging requirement for 33 new aircraft.

Chadwick says Boeing is also trying to "introduce" potential buyers of the Lockheed F-35 Joint Strike Fighter to the capabilities of the Super Hornet, with the company potentially trying to persuade nations such as Norway - which continues to evaluate the Gripen and Typhoon alongside the JSF - to also consider its product. "The E/F gives them an alternative, or a bridge to whenever the F-35 comes," he says.

Boeing hopes to receive a decision within the next 18 months on a potential third multi-year procurement deal for the F/A-18E/F with the US Navy, which Chadwick says will reduce the fighter's fly-away unit cost from $53.8 million to $49.9 million. "The E/F is doing things in a cost and capability way that really goes against the grain," he says, predicting that the type could remain in production for the USN and export customers until at least 2015.




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#4683 Mensagem por soultrain » Dom Nov 11, 2007 11:18 pm

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Lebanon May Get Old U.S. Trainers
By Riad Kahwaji


Beirut — Lebanese and American military officials may skirt policy restrictions to provide the Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF) with old trainers and close-air-support helicopters, according to officials on both sides.
“For some reason, U.S. policy does not permit providing Lebanon with offensive weapons, especially air power,” said a senior Lebanese military official. “But there is no problem with providing Lebanon with trainers, and hence we have decided to go for this option as a start.”
The LAF, which relies on aid from the United States and other nations, cannot seek new and advanced trainers on its limited budget.
An official at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut confirmed that of the few options considered, the best available trainer was the TA-3 Skywarrior.
“About three TA-3 trainers would likely be made available to Lebanon in the near future, but we don’t really know when,” said the U.S. official, who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to give an interview. “We might be able to send another two or three TA-3s later on but cannot be sure at this stage.”
Another official at the U.S. State Department confirmed the possible TA-3 transfer to Lebanon and said this would be a modest but helpful start for Lebanon’s air capabilities.
The LAF has no operational fixed-wing warplanes. Its five remaining Hawker Hunter jets are too old, and parts have been hard to locate.
“We need cartridges for the ejection seats before we can send the Hunters back in the air,” said the official. “We have looked just about everywhere, but with no luck.”
Another 11 Mirage-3 jets have been grounded since the late 1970s.
The LAF official said the presence of warplanes is important for the morale of the troops and would give the military an edge against the other militias in the country.
“We know the Hunters are old and we know the TA-3 is old, but for us it would be better than nothing,” he said. “Besides, the trainers would be given to the LAF more or less for free.”
The TA-3 was a U.S. tri-service large trainer that could also drop bombs.
“So long as the trainer we will get can carry bombs and attack ground targets, we will be very happy with it,” the LAF official said. “We hope this would be the first step before the U.S. is ready to supply us with F-16s.”
However, another Lebanese military official said the LAF command was still reviewing available options with the Americans.
“In addition to the TA-3, we are talking about other models, like the TA-4J Skyhawk,” he said.
Some analysts believe that giving the LAF trainers that are too old, like the TA-3 and TA-4, would be a bad idea.
“The U.S. and other countries that are interested in helping the Lebanese military should provide it with equipment that is not obsolete,” said Qassem Jaafar, a Middle East defense analyst. “Besides, the LAF will face the problem of finding spare parts, [which] it is already facing with most of its old hardware.”
The LAF had converted some of its UH-1H utility helicopters into bombers and used them in August to blast positions of the al-Qaida-affiliated Fatah Al-Islam terrorists in the Nahr Al-Bared Palestinian refugee camp in northern Lebanon.
“At the U.S. military, we are now referring to the Lebanese Hueys as UH-1Bs — and the B stands here for bombers,” the American embassy official said.
Nizar Abdel Kader, a retired Lebanese Army brigadier general, said, “Lebanon must have an air force, and the international community must help it establish one in order to meet all the pending threats facing the country.”
Lebanese and U.S. military officials said talks were under way to deal with the LAF request for attack helicopters, and the two options being considered are the AH-1 Cobra and the OH-58 Kiowa.
“The Cobra is the LAF first choice but might face an obstacle with existing policy restriction because it is designated as an attack helicopter,” the U.S. Embassy official said. “The Kiowa, which is designated primarily as a reconnaissance helicopter with light attack capabilities, would be easier to pass the current export controls on Lebanon.”å
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#4684 Mensagem por soultrain » Dom Nov 11, 2007 11:38 pm

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U.S. Air Force Needs Small Assault Airlifter: Study
By ERIK HOLMES


The U.S. Air Force may need to adjust its airlift capabilities to support counterinsurgencies beyond Iraq and Afghanistan.
That’s the conclusion of a new study by the Rand Corp., a government-funded think tank, examining how well the Air Force is prepared to conduct airlift for future counterinsurgency operations.
Airlift for low-intensity counterinsurgencies such as those in Colombia, the Philippines or the Horn of Africa requires the ability to support numerous small, dispersed ground units, the study says.
That could mean the Air Force should look at buying more of the medium-sized Joint Cargo Aircraft and finding a small “assault airlifter” available on the commercial market.
“Buying a larger number of [Joint Cargo Aircraft] as opposed to a smaller number of large airlift aircraft ... will produce the effect of giving you more tails to be in more places at the same time,” said Karl Mueller, a defense policy analyst at Rand and one of the study’s authors. “So if you have a problem with not having enough tails to meet all your airlift needs, that could be fairly attractive to you.”
But the JCA is not a magic bullet, Mueller said. The aircraft could be useful for carrying smaller cargos to numerous small units, he said, but it was not designed to take off and land on short, rough airstrips such as those found in much of the developing world.
For that, the Air Force might need to look for an assault airlifter, which Mueller defined as an aircraft that can carry “a couple of tons into short, rough strips less than 1,000 feet long.”
But Mueller said it is unlikely the Air Force would develop a new assault airlift program even if it decides it needs the capability.
The service would be better off buying a commercially available aircraft that could be adapted to military use, he said. The study mentions the Cessna Caravan, Pilatus PC-6 or PZL M-28 as survivable and cost-effective aircraft that could be modified for use as an assault airlifter.
The study also suggests that precision airdrop and unmanned aerial vehicles could be used to provide COIN airlift.
The Air Force is already using precision airdrop in Iraq and Afghanistan, but using UAVs for airlift is a vision for the future rather than a near-term option, Mueller said.




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#4685 Mensagem por Jacobs » Seg Nov 12, 2007 7:51 am

soultrain escreveu:
osted 11/06/07 12:02
Print this story
U.S. Air Force Needs Small Assault Airlifter: Study
By ERIK HOLMES


The U.S. Air Force may need to adjust its airlift capabilities to support counterinsurgencies beyond Iraq and Afghanistan.
That’s the conclusion of a new study by the Rand Corp., a government-funded think tank, examining how well the Air Force is prepared to conduct airlift for future counterinsurgency operations.
Airlift for low-intensity counterinsurgencies such as those in Colombia, the Philippines or the Horn of Africa requires the ability to support numerous small, dispersed ground units, the study says.
That could mean the Air Force should look at buying more of the medium-sized Joint Cargo Aircraft and finding a small “assault airlifter” available on the commercial market.
“Buying a larger number of [Joint Cargo Aircraft] as opposed to a smaller number of large airlift aircraft ... will produce the effect of giving you more tails to be in more places at the same time,” said Karl Mueller, a defense policy analyst at Rand and one of the study’s authors. “So if you have a problem with not having enough tails to meet all your airlift needs, that could be fairly attractive to you.”
But the JCA is not a magic bullet, Mueller said. The aircraft could be useful for carrying smaller cargos to numerous small units, he said, but it was not designed to take off and land on short, rough airstrips such as those found in much of the developing world.
For that, the Air Force might need to look for an assault airlifter, which Mueller defined as an aircraft that can carry “a couple of tons into short, rough strips less than 1,000 feet long.”
But Mueller said it is unlikely the Air Force would develop a new assault airlift program even if it decides it needs the capability.
The service would be better off buying a commercially available aircraft that could be adapted to military use, he said. The study mentions the Cessna Caravan, Pilatus PC-6 or PZL M-28 as survivable and cost-effective aircraft that could be modified for use as an assault airlifter.
The study also suggests that precision airdrop and unmanned aerial vehicles could be used to provide COIN airlift.
The Air Force is already using precision airdrop in Iraq and Afghanistan, but using UAVs for airlift is a vision for the future rather than a near-term option, Mueller said.


Opa, mais mercado pro Super Tucano (que no final vai ser ganho pelo PC-7....).




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#4686 Mensagem por Luís Henrique » Seg Nov 12, 2007 10:13 am

Se a FAB ficar com o Rafale é certo que a MB terá Rafales mas não agora. Acho que a vez da MB para um caça novo vai demorar e será mais para o novo PA do que para o A-12.




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#4687 Mensagem por Tigershark » Seg Nov 12, 2007 11:41 am

Luís Henrique escreveu:Se a FAB ficar com o Rafale é certo que a MB terá Rafales mas não agora. Acho que a vez da MB para um caça novo vai demorar e será mais para o novo PA do que para o A-12.


Luis,

Concordo com vc quanto ao Rafales Navais,mas acho que a Marinha não vai aguardar o Rafale M porque não pode ficar com o A-12 sem aviões operacionais.Ou parte para SEM ou moderniza os A-4 sabe-se lá a que preços.


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#4688 Mensagem por PRick » Seg Nov 12, 2007 11:58 am

Tigershark escreveu:
Luís Henrique escreveu:Se a FAB ficar com o Rafale é certo que a MB terá Rafales mas não agora. Acho que a vez da MB para um caça novo vai demorar e será mais para o novo PA do que para o A-12.


Luis,

Concordo com vc quanto ao Rafales Navais,mas acho que a Marinha não vai aguardar o Rafale M porque não pode ficar com o A-12 sem aviões operacionais.Ou parte para SEM ou moderniza os A-4 sabe-se lá a que preços.


Abs,

Tigershark


Segundo algumas fontes, os SUE-SEM tem grandes possibilidades, ainda mais se a FAB ficar com o Rafale. Num segundo momento a MB poderia comprar os Rafales, não só para o A-12, mas para o A-13 também. :D

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#4689 Mensagem por Jacobs » Seg Nov 12, 2007 12:03 pm

Tigershark escreveu:
Luís Henrique escreveu:Se a FAB ficar com o Rafale é certo que a MB terá Rafales mas não agora. Acho que a vez da MB para um caça novo vai demorar e será mais para o novo PA do que para o A-12.


Luis,

Concordo com vc quanto ao Rafales Navais,mas acho que a Marinha não vai aguardar o Rafale M porque não pode ficar com o A-12 sem aviões operacionais.Ou parte para SEM ou moderniza os A-4 sabe-se lá a que preços.


Abs,

Tigershark


Dizem que o problema dos A-4 está nos motores...

E o problema é que encontrar peças de reposição tende a ficar cada vez mais dificil, poucos paises ainda usam esse modelo.




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#4690 Mensagem por Tigershark » Seg Nov 12, 2007 12:47 pm

PRick escreveu:
Tigershark escreveu:
Luís Henrique escreveu:Se a FAB ficar com o Rafale é certo que a MB terá Rafales mas não agora. Acho que a vez da MB para um caça novo vai demorar e será mais para o novo PA do que para o A-12.


Luis,

Concordo com vc quanto ao Rafales Navais,mas acho que a Marinha não vai aguardar o Rafale M porque não pode ficar com o A-12 sem aviões operacionais.Ou parte para SEM ou moderniza os A-4 sabe-se lá a que preços.


Abs,

Tigershark


Segundo algumas fontes, os SUE-SEM tem grandes possibilidades, ainda mais se a FAB ficar com o Rafale. Num segundo momento a MB poderia comprar os Rafales, não só para o A-12, mas para o A-13 também. :D

[ ]´s


É,seria ótimo para a MB ter o Rafale no A-12 e no A-13 também.Por falar nisso,anigo Prick,te pedi no fórum naval uma arte do Rafale M nas cores da MB,estou aguardando! :D

Abs,

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#4691 Mensagem por Booz » Seg Nov 12, 2007 12:50 pm

Cópia de artigo do jornalista Cláudio Humberto, data-hoje.


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O ministro Nelson Jobim (Defesa) continua rolando o lero para seu "público interno", os militares, e agora decidiu "modernizar" a frota da Força Aérea Brasileira. Está decidido a comprar aviões espanhóis Casa 212 para substituir os velhos Bandeirantes. O projeto dos aviões Casa, que seriam montados no Brasil, foi desenvolvido nos anos 1960. Haja modernidade para uma FAB que vive reclamando de sucateamento. Pobre Aeronáutica...




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#4692 Mensagem por Booz » Seg Nov 12, 2007 12:51 pm

Mais notinhas do mesmo jornalista...

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AgustaWestland, Eurocopter e a russa Rosoboronexport disputam a venda de helicópteros de combate e ataque para a FAB. O resultado da concorrência será anunciando em março de 2008.
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O Comando da Aeronáutica recebeu R$ 20 milhões para o projeto A-Darter, para desenvolver um míssil ar-ar. Trata-se de convênio com o governo da África do Sul e deve demorar pelo menos mais um ano para ser concluído.




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#4693 Mensagem por Sniper » Seg Nov 12, 2007 12:58 pm

jp escreveu:Cópia de artigo do jornalista Cláudio Humberto, data-hoje.


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O ministro Nelson Jobim (Defesa) continua rolando o lero para seu "público interno", os militares, e agora decidiu "modernizar" a frota da Força Aérea Brasileira. Está decidido a comprar aviões espanhóis Casa 212 para substituir os velhos Bandeirantes. O projeto dos aviões Casa, que seriam montados no Brasil, foi desenvolvido nos anos 1960. Haja modernidade para uma FAB que vive reclamando de sucateamento. Pobre Aeronáutica...


Que nota medíocre!

Lamentável... :?

Tenho certeza que se os Buffalo ainda fossem fabricados a FAB não pensava duas vezes em comprar 12 novas unidades.

Um avião de transporte não precisa ser moderno demais. Principalmente para operação no Brasil. :?

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#4694 Mensagem por Jacobs » Seg Nov 12, 2007 12:58 pm

jp escreveu:Cópia de artigo do jornalista Cláudio Humberto, data-hoje.


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O ministro Nelson Jobim (Defesa) continua rolando o lero para seu "público interno", os militares, e agora decidiu "modernizar" a frota da Força Aérea Brasileira. Está decidido a comprar aviões espanhóis Casa 212 para substituir os velhos Bandeirantes. O projeto dos aviões Casa, que seriam montados no Brasil, foi desenvolvido nos anos 1960. Haja modernidade para uma FAB que vive reclamando de sucateamento. Pobre Aeronáutica...


E cade o Saito pra barrar mais essa caca???




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#4695 Mensagem por Sniper » Seg Nov 12, 2007 12:59 pm

jp escreveu:Mais notinhas do mesmo jornalista...

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Fraquíssimo... :?




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