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Ainda tem mais , estava comparando a colocação e a junção dos paineis dos F-22 e dos Rafales, sobretudo na raiz das asas com a fuzelagem, e mesmo a lateral das entradas de ar, mais algumas similaridades interessantes.

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Novo governo trabalhista da Australia confirma SH e ainda quer mais (E/A-18G).

Australia Eyes E/A-18Gs, Confirms F/A-18Fs

Mar 17, 2008
Bradley Perrett


Australia will consider buying Boeing E/A-18G Growler electronic warfare aircraft following confirmation of its order for 24 of the standard two-seat version of the Super Hornet, the F/A-18F.

In a review of air combat requirements, the Labor government now endorses the Super Hornet as “an excellent aircraft capable of meeting any known threat in the region,” even though Defense Minister Joel Fitzgibbon has spent months criticizing the hasty process in which the former Liberal National administration decided to buy it last year.

Fitzgibbon has implied, but never specifically said, that the Super Hornet was a bad choice to fill the gap to be left by the 2010 retirement of Australia’s General Dynamics F-111 strike bombers.

It isn’t clear whether the E/A-18Gs would be bought in addition to the 24 F/A-18Fs on order or instead of some of them. Releasing the review, Fitzgibbon says: “The analysis also highlighted additional capabilities such as specialist electronic warfare variants (the F/A-18G) that will be considered as part of the Super Hornet acquisition.

“These additional capabilities will be more fully considered under the second stage of the Air Combat Capability Review” after the responsible panel reports to the government in late April, Fitzgibbon says. The reference to the “F/A-18G” is evidently a typo, since the Growler is designated E/A-18G.

The first-stage review also endorses the controversial retirement of the F-111s in two years, but only on the grounds that it is now too late to reverse the decision.

The service life of the F-111 has been one of the most debated issues in Australian defense policy for a decade or more. At one time the aircraft was intended to serve as late as 2020, and some of its supporters have called for an even longer operational life.

The F-111’s backers say that no replacement can offer so great a payload-radius. Its critics, noting that the U.S. Air Force retired its last F-111 in 1996, say Australia cannot afford to maintain the small fleet of old and very complicated aircraft.

There have been worries about safety, too, with some military officials pointing to the likelihood of cracks in the strong but brittle D6ac steel of the wing carry-through structure.

Fitzgibbon’s Labor government was elected in November. It has been particularly keen to criticize its predecessor’s equipment orders because former defense minister Brendan Nelson is now the opposition leader, and the man whose name it most wants to blacken.

The new minister still characterizes the Super Hornet decision as having been forced on the country because of the former government’s unwarranted trust in the timing of the U.S. F-35 Joint Strike Fighter project.

“The former government’s decision to leave Australia’s air defenses in the hands of the Joint Strike Fighter project was a flawed leap of faith in scheduling terms, and combined with the quick decision to retire the F-111 early, allowed an air combat capability gap to emerge,” Fitzgibbon says, adding that the Super Hornet was therefore unavoidable (but still “excellent”).

Cancelling the Super Hornet order would result in financial penalties, he adds. Also, the cost of buying the Super Hornet and operating it until 2020 will be lower than the A$6 billion (US$5.5 billion) previously budgeted. Savings of A$300 million have been found in departmental and industry support costs.

The second part of the air combat review will consider requirements as far out as 2045. Fitzgibbon has asked the United States to clear the Lockheed Martin F-22 for sale to Australia so that Canberra can consider it as an alternative to the F-35.

Defending the Super Hornet order last year, Nelson pointed to Aviation Week reports on the capabilities of its Raytheon APG-79 radar. Australian general media have paid little attention to the all-important electronic aspects of the design, however.


Como este mundo dá voltas...algumas bem rápidas...

(...) Opposition defence spokesman Nick Minchin said of Mr Fitzgibbon's announcement: "After all of his bluster and threats to cancel the Super Hornet contract, he has now had to admit the truth - the Super Hornet is the best plane to ensure our air combat capability over the next decade."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 77,00.html

News Story
More foreign governments eyeing Super HornetSunday March 16, 2008 15:09:29 EDT
Mar 15, 2008 (St. Louis Post-Dispatch - McClatchy-Tribune Information Services via COMTEX News Network) --
Foreign interest in the Super Hornet may be picking up.

Boeing Co. said Friday it is starting talks with the governments of both Brazil and Denmark about buying dozens of the St. Louis-built fighter jets.

The deals, if they happen, could be worth billions of dollars and would help sustain thousands of local jobs building the F/A-18 at Boeing's Hazelwood plants.

And the talks, coming as debate rages in Washington over the Air Force buying planes from a European company, highlight the fact that some of Boeing's best sales prospects lie overseas.

A top Boeing defense executive spent three days this week in Brazil meeting with military and business leaders about that country's interest in buying at least 20 fighter jets.

Russia's Sukhoi, Sweden's Saab and France's Dassault Aviation also are interested in bidding for the contract, worth an estimated $2.2 billion. But Boeing sees an opportunity, said Bob Gower, who oversees F-18 programs.

"We don't have a lot of history in Brazil," he said. "But they have an interest in what the Super Hornet can bring to the party."

Boeing also was recently invited by the defense ministry of Denmark to discuss pitching the Super Hornet for a fighter competition that country has under way.

"(They are) encouraging us to enter that race," Gower said. "We're going to go over and meet with them very shortly."

Denmark wants to replace 48 F-16 fighters and had winnowed competitors down to the Saab Gripen and Lockheed Martin's Joint Strike Fighter, or JSF, which has been delayed. Adding Boeing to the mix would "sharpen the competition," according to a statement Thursday by Danish Defense Minister Soren Gade.

Boeing also continues to talk with Switzerland, Malaysia, Kuwait and Norway about the Super Hornet, said Gower. And it is preparing a bid for a hotly-contested purchase by India, which wants to buy 126 fighters in the next few years.

Interest in the Super Hornet has grown, Gower said, since Boeing reached its first overseas deal for the plane last year, a $6 billion pact with Australia, which wanted 24 planes to boost its ranks until the JSF is ready.

"That buy has raised awareness around the globe," Gower said.

That deal, somewhat controversial in Australia, has been under review by a new government that took power after it was signed; Gower said he expects a decision in the next few weeks.

Meanwhile, talks on a new multiyear contract continue with Boeing's main Super Hornet customer: the Navy.

The current contract ends next year, with deliveries winding down in 2011. The Navy says it will need another 89, and maybe at least 69 beyond that if the JSF is delayed, Gower said. But funding remains up in the air.

"We're hopeful," he said. "But we also understand there's a lot of budget pressure."

tlogan@post-dispatch.com -- 314-340-8291

PRick escreveu:Ainda tem mais , estava comparando a colocação e a junção dos paineis dos F-22 e dos Rafales, sobretudo na raiz das asas com a fuzelagem, e mesmo a lateral das entradas de ar, mais algumas similaridades interessantes.

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Pow, Prick, ainda é segunda e tu já está a encher o caneco



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PS: E fuselagem é com "s" e não com "z"

Immortal Horgh escreveu:

PRick escreveu:Ainda tem mais , estava comparando a colocação e a junção dos paineis dos F-22 e dos Rafales, sobretudo na raiz das asas com a fuzelagem, e mesmo a lateral das entradas de ar, mais algumas similaridades interessantes.

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Pow, Prick, ainda é segunda e tu já está a encher o caneco



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PS: E fuselagem é com "s" e não com "z"

O pesadelo de Prick e Soultrain

jacquessantiago escreveu:]

O pesadelo de Prick e Soultrain

O pesadelo do Prick virá em pouco tempo


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Immortal Horgh escreveu:

PRick escreveu:Ainda tem mais , estava comparando a colocação e a junção dos paineis dos F-22 e dos Rafales, sobretudo na raiz das asas com a fuzelagem, e mesmo a lateral das entradas de ar, mais algumas similaridades interessantes.

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Pow, Prick, ainda é segunda e tu já está a encher o caneco



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PS: E fuselagem é com "s" e não com "z"

Ora não faz diferença, afinal, as duas são furtivas , é pena que você e o pessoal da Sputinik, acham que ser furtivo é dar Sputinik para o controlador aéreo inimigo, para não ver o caminhão aéreo russo. Já em outras terras, a furtividade é levada à sério, as fotos são bastante reveladoras, de quem tem fuSelagem furtiva, e não as bóias infláveis voadoras!

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PRick escreveu:
Ora não faz diferença, afinal, as duas são furtivas , é pena que você e o pessoal da Sputinik, acham que ser furtivo é dar Sputinik para o controlador aéreo inimigo, para não ver o caminhão aéreo russo. Já em outras terras, a furtividade é levada à sério, as fotos são bastante reveladoras, de quem tem fuSelagem furtiva, e não as bóias infláveis voadoras!

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Sim, furtividade é importante, mas de que adianta isso tudo se o Mr.Magoo tem um probleminha grave



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jacquessantiago escreveu:

Immortal Horgh escreveu: Pow, Prick, ainda é segunda e tu já está a encher o caneco



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PS: E fuselagem é com "s" e não com "z"

O pesadelo de Prick e Soultrain

Colocar o Super Lento ao lado do F-22, não vai passar as qualidades de um, para o outro, via osmose.

O Super Lento é um bom e lento alvo!

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Nem ficar vendo frestinha vai dar capacidades de caça de 5ºG ao mr Magoo.

Carlos Mathias escreveu:Nem ficar vendo frestrinha vai dar capacidades de caça de 5ºG ao mr Magoo.

Vamos usar a nomenclatura russa, se o Su-35-1 é de geração 4ª++++, o Rafale é de geração 4,9ª++++. Ou seja, quase 5ª geração.

Como dizem os mais sábios, os cegos costumam perceber a presença de outras pessoas antes dos outros, principalmente no escuro. O Rafale é assim, ele percebe a presença dos outros caças sem precisar do radar, mas isso só é possível para quem tem uma tecnologia, realmente, de ponta.

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PRick escreveu:

Carlos Mathias escreveu:Nem ficar vendo frestrinha vai dar capacidades de caça de 5ºG ao mr Magoo.

Vamos usar a nomenclatura russa, se o Su-35-1 é de geração 4ª++++, o Rafale é de geração 4,9ª++++. Ou seja, quase 5ª geração.

Como dizem os mais sábios, os cegos costumam perceber a presença de outras pessoas antes dos outros, principalmente no escuro. O Rafale é assim, ele percebe a presença dos outros caças sem precisar do radar, mas isso só é possível para quem tem uma tecnologia, realmente, de ponta.

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Isto que você disse é verdade, o problema é que o Rafale não consegue enxergar nada nem com a luz acessa!

PRick escreveu:

Carlos Mathias escreveu:Nem ficar vendo frestrinha vai dar capacidades de caça de 5ºG ao mr Magoo.

Vamos usar a nomenclatura russa, se o Su-35-1 é de geração 4ª++++, o Rafale é de geração 4,9ª++++. Ou seja, quase 5ª geração.

Como dizem os mais sábios, os cegos costumam perceber a presença de outras pessoas antes dos outros, principalmente no escuro. O Rafale é assim, ele percebe a presença dos outros caças sem precisar do radar, mas isso só é possível para quem tem uma tecnologia, realmente, de ponta.

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Aham, descobri quem escreveu lá no wikipedia que o Rafale é um caça de 5ª geração. Prick, você está fumando a mesma erva que o Doidolo



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orestespf escreveu:
Isto que você disse é verdade, o problema é que o Rafale não consegue enxergar nada nem com a luz acessa!

Professor, na sua idade já deverias saber que não devemos caçoar dos deficientes. Ele não tem culpa de ter nascido cego



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