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#4381 Mensagem por GDA_Fear » Dom Jul 05, 2009 6:50 pm

F/A-18 Hornet strike fighter

General Characteristics, Super Hornet, E and F models
Primary Function: Multi-role attack and fighter aircraft.
Contractor: McDonnell Douglas.
Date Deployed: First flight in November 1995. Initial Operational Capability (IOC) in September 2001 with VFA-115, NAS Lemoore, Calif. First cruise for VFA-115 is onboard the USS Abraham Lincoln.
Unit Cost: $57 million
Propulsion: Two F414-GE-400 turbofan engines. 22,000 pounds (9,977 kg) static thrust per engine.
Length: 60.3 feet (18.5 meters).
Height: 16 feet (4.87 meters).
Wingspan: 44.9 feet (13.68 meters).
Weight: Maximum Take Off Gross Weight is 66,000 pounds (29,932 kg).
Airspeed: Mach 1.8+.
Ceiling: 50,000+ feet.
Range: Combat: 1,275 nautical miles (2,346 kilometers), clean plus two AIM-9s
Ferry: 1,660 nautical miles (3,054 kilometers), two AIM-9s, three 480 gallon tanks retained.
Crew: A, C and E models: One
B, D and F models: Two.
Armament: One M61A1/A2 Vulcan 20mm cannon; AIM 9 Sidewinder, AIM-9X (projected), AIM 7 Sparrow, AIM-120 AMRAAM, Harpoon, Harm, SLAM, SLAM-ER (projected), Maverick missiles; Joint Stand-Off Weapon (JSOW); Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM); Data Link Pod; Paveway Laser Guided Bomb; various general purpose bombs, mines and rockets. See the F/A-18 weapons load-out page.

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_displ ... =1200&ct=1




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#4382 Mensagem por PRick » Dom Jul 05, 2009 6:59 pm

GDA_Fear escreveu:F/A-18 Hornet strike fighter

General Characteristics, Super Hornet, E and F models
Primary Function: Multi-role attack and fighter aircraft.
Contractor: McDonnell Douglas.
Date Deployed: First flight in November 1995. Initial Operational Capability (IOC) in September 2001 with VFA-115, NAS Lemoore, Calif. First cruise for VFA-115 is onboard the USS Abraham Lincoln.
Unit Cost: $57 million
Propulsion: Two F414-GE-400 turbofan engines. 22,000 pounds (9,977 kg) static thrust per engine.
Length: 60.3 feet (18.5 meters).
Height: 16 feet (4.87 meters).
Wingspan: 44.9 feet (13.68 meters).
Weight: Maximum Take Off Gross Weight is 66,000 pounds (29,932 kg).
Airspeed: Mach 1.8+.
Ceiling: 50,000+ feet.
Range: Combat: 1,275 nautical miles (2,346 kilometers), clean plus two AIM-9s
Ferry: 1,660 nautical miles (3,054 kilometers), two AIM-9s, three 480 gallon tanks retained.
Crew: A, C and E models: One
B, D and F models: Two.
Armament: One M61A1/A2 Vulcan 20mm cannon; AIM 9 Sidewinder, AIM-9X (projected), AIM 7 Sparrow, AIM-120 AMRAAM, Harpoon, Harm, SLAM, SLAM-ER (projected), Maverick missiles; Joint Stand-Off Weapon (JSOW); Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM); Data Link Pod; Paveway Laser Guided Bomb; various general purpose bombs, mines and rockets. See the F/A-18 weapons load-out page.

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_displ ... =1200&ct=1
A diferença entre a propaganda e o fato real, o documento abaixo é o que foi apresentado ao Congresso dos EUA, não faz parte de propaganda, do mesmo modo já postei aqui o documento oficial do DoD, FMS para a Austrália, quando cada F-18F saiu por 129 milhões com material de apoio, bem dentro desse documento abaixo, que fala em 100 milhões para os F-18G.

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Navy F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler Aircraft:
Background and Issues for Congress
Congressional Research Service Report for Congress


Christopher Bolkcom
Specialist in National Defense
Foreign Affairs, Defense, and Trade Division
Updated June 8, 2006



Contents
Summary
Introduction 1
Background 1
The F/A-18E/F Program 2
System Description 2
Costs, Purchases and Schedule 5
Sales, Operations, and Basing 6
EA-18G "Growler" 7
Key Issues for Congress 8

Congressional Action 10

List of Figures
Figure 1. Comparison of F/A-18 Dimensions 3

List of Tables
Table 1. Comparison of F/A-187 C/D and E/F 4
Table 2. F/A-18E/F/G FY2007 Budget 10
Table 3. F/A-18E/F/G FY2006 Budget 11
Table 4. F/A-18E/F/G FY2005 Budget 11


Summary
The F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is the Navy's highest priority aviation modernization program. It is replacing Navy F/A-18C/D Hornet combat aircraft.
The decision to undertake [the] F/A-18E/F Super Hornet program was made during a period of great turbulence in Navy aviation modernization. During this time frame the Navy struggled to identify and implement the best way to modernize its aging fleet of F-14 fighters and A-6E attack aircraft. The A-12 program (a stealthy replacement to the A-6E) was terminated in January 1991. The AFX program, another proposed replacement for the A-6E, began in 1991, but was also terminated.

The principal alternative to the F/A-18E/F was a modest upgrade of the F-14 -- a large, two-seat fighter designed in the 1960s, with potential air-to-surface attack capabilities. Some observers describe the F/A-18E/F as an upgraded and larger version of the F/A-18C/D, with increased range and payload capacity and more space and weight for future improvements. Others assert that the differences between the baseline Hornet aircraft and the E/F model are so great that they would describe the Super Hornet as an entirely new aircraft.

The Department of Defense is currently facing a shortage of radar and communications jamming capability. The Navy and Marine Corp's EA-6B Prowlers escort and protect Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force aircraft operating in hostile airspace. The Prowlers, however, are few and rapidly aging.1 All the Services are evaluating preferred approaches to ameliorating this shortfall. The Navy's approach is to produce a new electronic attack aircraft based on the F/A-18F, called the EA-18G.

The Defense Department's Selected Acquisition Report (SAR) of December 31, 2005, estimated the acquisition cost of a 462-aircraft program at $44 billion. The cost of procuring 90 EA-18G electronic attack variants is estimated at $9 billion. The Super Hornet has been approved for international export, but no sales have been made as of June 2006. Key issues surrounding the program relate to the total number of Super Hornets to be procured.


Introduction
The F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is the Navy's highest priority aviation modernization program, replacing rapidly aging F/A-18C/D Hornet combat aircraft.2 It has been employed in conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq and is currently in full rate production. Principal issues surrounding the program relate to the total number of Super Hornets to be procured.
Background
The decision to undertake the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet program was made during a period of great turbulence in Navy aviation modernization, when the Navy was struggling to identify and implement the best way to modernize its aging fleet of F-14 fighters and A-6E attack aircraft. The A-12 program (a stealthy replacement to the A-6E) was terminated in January 1991. The AFX program, another proposed replacement for the A-6E, began in 1991, but was also terminated. Efforts to develop a carrier-based naval version of the Air Force's F-22 Advanced Tactical Fighter were abandoned in 1991 and proposals for a carrier-capable version of the Air Force's F-117 were never endorsed by Navy leadership.
In the midst of these program starts and stops, the principal alternative to the F/A-18E/F (a major upgrade of the F/A-18, a smaller, one- or two-seat strike-fighter designed in the 1970s as a lower-cost supplement to the F-14) was a modest upgrade of the F-14: a large, two-seat fighter designed in the 1960s with potential air-to-surface attack capabilities.

Proponents of the F/A-18E/F argued that upgrading the F/A-18 to take over the F-14's air-to-air combat mission would cost less in procurement and operating expenses than upgrading the F-14 to take over the F/A-18's air-to-surface attack mission. Some also argued that the F-14's long-range air defense mission, known as the outer air battle, will be less important in the post-Cold War era, when naval aircraft are expected to be used at shorter ranges in littoral (off-shore) operations in Third-World scenarios. Competing upgrade options were proposed for both the F-14 and the F/A-18. In 1992, the House and Senate Armed Services Committees recommended development of both the F/A-18E/F and an attack-capable version of the F-14 (P.L. 102-484, Section 125).

The F/A-18E/F program began officially in May 1992 when the Defense Acquisition Board (DAB) approved the commencement of engineering/manufacturing development (EMD). On July 21, 1992, the Navy awarded two contracts to get EMD under way: McDonnell Douglas received $97 million from a $3,964-million contract to develop the airframe and General Electric received $94 million from a $754-million contract to develop the F414-GE-400 engine. On September 18, 1995, the Navy received the first of seven EMD aircraft to be flight-tested in 1995-98. By September 1997, these test planes had logged some 1,500 flight hours, with carrier-based flights beginning in January 1997 aboard the USS John C. Stennis.

Although derived from an existing aircraft, the F/A-18E/F suffered noteworthy developmental challenges. In 1996, flight testing was suspended when problems with the Super Hornet's engines caused the aircraft to be grounded. The Super Hornet fleet was grounded a second time in 1998 when engine problems resurfaced.

In December 1997, the F/A-18E/F's persistent performance problems in highspeed maneuvers led the Navy to delay FY1998 funding for the program, pending solution of these problems. First experienced in March 1996, the aircraft's "wingdrop" problem may occur during turns at speeds of .6 to .9 Mach (speed of sound), when the wing loses lift and the plane rolls unexpectedly to the left or right, preventing the pilot from tracking a target. Since this anomaly was apparently related to the wing's leading edge, some feared the wing might have to be redesigned; others thought the problem could be resolved by modifications of the wing, such as adding a "porous wing fairing." After successful flight testing of this modification, Secretary of Defense Cohen approved FY1998 funding for procurement of another 20 aircraft on April 3, 1998.

The Defense Department's Quadrennial Defense Review (QDR) of May 19, 1997, recommended reducing procurement of F/A-18E/Fs from 1,000 aircraft to 548, with the possibility of buying up to 785 if the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program were delayed or if the aircraft were too expensive compared to the F/A-18E/F. Defense Secretary William Cohen stated that he hoped this change in the program would set up "creative tension" between the contractors producing the JSF and the F/A-18E/F. The QDR also recommended reducing the maximum annual production rate to 48 aircraft. These recommendations were reflected in the FY1999 budget's procurement projections.

The F/A-18E/F Program
System Description
Some observers describe the F/A-18E/F as an upgraded and larger version of the F/A-18C/D, with increased range and payload capacity and more space and weight for future improvements. Other observers assert that the differences between the baseline Hornet aircraft and the E/F model are so great that they would describe the Super Hornet as an entirely new aircraft. The single-seat F/A-18E and twin-seat F/A-18F will replace the single-seat C and twin-seat D versions of the F/A-18, which have been in production since 1986. Compared to the F/A-18C/D, the F/A-18E/F has a longer fuselage (+4.3 ft) and a 25% larger wing, providing 33% more internal fuel capacity (14,500 vs. 10,381 lb.); two additional weapon stations (11 vs. 9); and survivability improvements (e.g., new electronic warfare equipment and reduced vulnerable areas). The F/A-18E/F is powered by two upgraded F414-GE-400 engines (developed originally for the A-12), producing 36% more thrust than the C/D's F404 engines. Using 480-gal tanks increases the E/F's external fuel capacity to 9,800 lb. (vs. the C/D's 6,700 lb. with 330-gal tanks). The use of low-observable materials and shaping makes the E/F less detectable by radar than the C/D.


Figure 1. Comparison of F/A-18 Dimensions

In 1992, the F/A-18's operational requirements specified a combat radius of 410 nautical miles (nm, 1.15 statute miles) for fighter missions and 430 nm for attack missions. Such ranges were not achieved by the F/A-18C/D, whose range/payload capabilities have been reduced by weight growth due to equipment added in successive upgrades since 1982, when its combat radius was 366 nm in fighter missions and 415 nm in attack missions. In 1992 the Navy projected the F/A-18E/F's fighter combat radius to be about 420 nm, with an attack radius of about 490 nm -- exceeding requirements of 410 nm and 430 nm for these missions.3 In carrier landings, the F/A-18E/F is estimated to be able to bring back 9,000 lb of fuel/ordnance payload vs. the C/D's recovery payload of less than 6,000 lb.

These improvements in range, payload, and bring-back capability, are viewed by the Navy as the primary advantages of the E/F over the C/D. In 1996, the General Accounting Office seriously questioned the F/A-18E/F's performance advantages over the C/D variant, arguing that F/A-18C/Ds could provide similar capabilities at lower costs.4 The Navy did not agree with these GAO conclusions, which were cited during Senate debate on the F/A-18E/F program in July 1996.


Table 1.
Comparison of F/A-18 C/D and E/F
Program Unit Acquisition Cost $43 milliona $95.3 millionb
Propulsion 2 F404-GE-402 turbofans 2 F414-GE-400 turbofans
Thrust 17,700 lbs 22,000 lbs
Speed Mach 1.7 Mach 1.8
External fuel capacity 6,700 lbs 9,800 lbs
Approx. Un-refueled Combat Radius Fighter: 366 nm
Attack: 415 nm Fighter: 420 nm
Attack: 490 nm
Weapon hard points 9 11
First Flight November 1978 December 1995


Notes:
a. Selected Acquisition Reports, Dec. 31, 1994, Department of Defense (DOD) Comptroller. Reflects a purchase of 1,026 aircraft. Figure is adjusted for inflation and expressed in 2006 dollars.
b. Selected Acquisition Reports, December 31, 2005. DOD Comptroller, assumes 462 aircraft purchase, does not include $9 billion estimate to procure 90 EA-18G variants.

The F/A-18E/F's radar will also differentiate it from earlier models. Under current plans, 419 of the Super Hornets procured by the Navy will be equipped with active electronically steered array (AESA) radar. Conventional radars are limited, in part, by the speed with which their antennas can be mechanically moved. Recent improvements in electronics technology enable AESA radars to update a radar's computer several times a second.5 AESA radars are expected to offer up to 30 times the net radar capability of mechanically steered radars.6 The hope is that they are more reliable than mechanically steered radars and are able to perform several different functions almost simultaneously.

Many believe that in addition to seeking out and locking on to enemy targets, AESA radars will also offer powerful electronic warfare capabilities, specifically the ability to jam enemy radars that attempt to target the F/A-18E/F.7 It is currently unclear exactly how effective this jamming capability will be and if it will complement or compete with the electronic attack capabilities offered by the proposed EA-18G model. Other Super Hornet upgrades -- Advanced Targeting Forward Looking Infrared (ATFLIR), Joint Helmet Mounted Cuing System (JHMCS), JDAM Hornet Autonomous Real-Time Targeting Capability, and, for the F model, the Advanced Crew Station -- are hoped to combine with AESA to give the Super Hornet superior all weather precision attack capabilities against timecritical targets.8

Costs, Purchases and Schedule
The Defense Department's Selected Acquisition Report (SAR) of December 31, 2005, estimated the acquisition cost of a 462-aircraft program at $44 billion. The cost of procuring 90 EA-18G electronic attack variants is estimated at $9 billion. The currently planned F/A-18E/F program reflects the Department of the Navy's implementation of its Tactical Air Integration Plan (TAI), which includes an 88-plane reduction in the number of Super Hornets to be procured. The implications for the overall program, in terms of cost and other factors, is still being studied.9
On December 7, 1998, the Defense Department announced the Navy's award of a contract to start production of the 30 aircraft funded in FY1999. Up to seven production aircraft began operational testing and evaluation (OT&E) flights in late May of 1999 at China Lake, CA, which continued through November 1999. In March 2000, Navy test squadron VX-9 reported that the F/A-18EF had passed its six month OT&E. The squadron flew 1,233 hours in 850 "missions," performed more than 24 carrier operations, and participated in a "Red Flag" exercise. Based on this successful operational evaluation, on June 16, 2000, the Navy announced the signing of a multi-year contract with [the] Boeing Company for the F/A-18E/F full rate production. Under the five-year contract, the Navy agreed to pay $8.9 billion for 222 aircraft. The second F/A-18E/F multi-year procurement contract -- estimated at $8.9 billion over five years to procure 210 aircraft -- was awarded in December 2003.

The FY2007 defense budget projected the following annual buys: FY2007: 30; FY2008: 24; FY2009: 20; FY2010: 22; FY2011: 14. The first production aircraft were delivered in 1999 for operational testing and evaluation, with initial operating capability (IOC) achieved in 2001.

Sales, Operations, and Basing
In June 2001 the Department of Defense approved the Super Hornet for international export.10 Malaysia, which currently operates the two-seat F/A-18D, appears to be a potential importer. On September 4, 2002, the Department of Defense (DOD) notified Congress of the potential sale of 18 F/A-18Fs to Malaysia as part of a larger $1.48 billion arms deal, but as of 2006 no sale has taken place.11 The Indian government plans to import approximately 125 combat aircraft, and the F/A-18E/F has been discussed as a potential competitor for this contract.12 Other potential F/A-18E/F importers include Australia, Bulgaria, Finland, Japan, Kuwait, Spain, and Switzerland.
Generally speaking, arguments for foreign military sales tend to focus on advancing U.S. industry, supporting allied countries, and promoting interoperability with those countries. Arguments against arms sales tend to focus on the negative aspects of military technology proliferation and the potential for causing regional instability. The government approves arms sales on a case-by case basis.13 According to press reports, the Boeing Co., with assistance from the Navy, is aggressively marketing the Super Hornet for export.14 Despite these efforts, international orders for the F/A-18E/F have not yet emerged. Some believe that a lack of international business is hindering Boeing's efforts to reduce the aircraft's price.15

Strike Fighter Squadron 115 (VFA-115), based at Naval Air Station Lemoore, CA, was the first fleet operational F/A-18E/F squadron. VFA-115 Super Hornets deployed in the summer of 2002 aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72). This 12-plane squadron flew approximately 90 missions over Afghanistan in support of Operation Enduring Freedom.16 VFA-115 also deployed to the Persian Gulf region and participated in Operation Southern Watch, enforcing the "No-Fly Zones" over Iraq. In November 2002, F/A-18E/F aircraft used the Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) to attack Iraqi surface-to-air missile systems and a command and control communications facility.17 F/A-18E/F squadrons from the aircraft carriers Abraham Lincoln and Nimitz participated in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

On September 10, 2003, the Navy released its decision to base eight F/A-18E/F fleet squadrons and one fleet replacement squadron (120 aircraft) at Naval Air Station (NAS) Oceana, (VA), two fleet squadrons (24 aircraft) at Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Cherry Point (NC) and to construct an outlying field (OLF) in Washington County, NC.18 The Washington County site for the OLF has proven controversial and the Navy is considering alternatives.19

EA-18G "Growler"
The Department of Defense is currently facing a shortage of radar and communications jamming capability. The Navy and Marine Corps' EA-6B Prowlers escort and protect Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force aircraft operating in hostile airspace. The Prowlers, however, are few and rapidly aging.20 All the Services are evaluating approaches to ameliorating this shortfall. The Navy's approach is to produce a new electronic attack aircraft based on the F/A-18F, called the EA-18G.
Basing the EA-6B's replacement on the F/A-18E/F airframe is attractive to the Navy because it is expected to engender less new training, operations and maintenance than a new type of aircraft. Operating an electronic attack aircraft that can fly at the same speed and to the same ranges as the strike aircraft it is supporting should also generate operational benefits. The Marine Corps does not operate, and currently does not plan to procure, the FA/18-E/F, so fielding the EA-18G is presumably less attractive to that Service. In January 2005 it was reported that the Marine Corps was embarking on a year-long study to determine the F-35's potential to replace the EA-6B.21

F/A-18F and EA-18G models are expected to be produced on the same production line starting in FY2008 and achieve initial operational capability (IOC) in September 2009. The EA-18G would share the F/A-18F's airframe and avionics and be built on the same assembly line. The EA-18G would replace the F-model's cannon with a nose-mounted jamming processor and carry up to five ALQ-99 jamming pods. These are the same jamming pods currently employed by the EA-6B.

The Navy's currently envisioned program includes a total buy of 90 EA-18Gs -- at a cost of $9 billion -- to augment and replace the aging EA-6B force. The Navy has awarded a $1 billion contract to Boeing for system design and development (SDD).22 Procurement of 56 EA-18Gs by FY2009 is included in Boeing's second MYP contract (154 F/A-18E/Fs fill out the 210-aircraft contract). If 56 EA-18Gs are not approved, additional F/A-19E/Fs will be produced to maintain the contract's 42 aircraft per year minimum quantity. During FY2005 congressional action, authorizers and Senate appropriators expressed their concerns about the program's progress. (See Congressional Action section, below.)

Key Issues for Congress
The principal issues surrounding the program at this juncture relate to the total number of Super Hornets to be procured.
Number of Super Hornets to be Procured
Like other DOD tactical aviation programs (e.g., F-22A, RAH-66, JSF), the planned number of F/A-18E/F Super Hornets to be procured has decreased over time. The current plan is to procure 462 E/F models, about half of the originally planned quantity. Several factors could influence whether the planned procurement number continues to decrease or holds steady.
The Department of the Navy has recently implemented a Tactical Aviation Integration plan, which has reduced the planned number of Super Hornets and F-35s to be procured and fielded. If this integration of Navy and Marine Corps aviation appears successful, some may argue for further reductions in these aircraft. The potential retirement of the aircraft carrier USS John F. Kennedy could also spark discussion of aircraft reductions. Further in the future, the successful fielding of naval unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) for both surveillance and strike missions could compete with manned Navy aircraft for deck space. The most discussed factor, however, influencing the potential purchase of Super Hornets is the F-35 program.

The Navy and Marine Corps are both planning on procuring variants of the F-35 JSF. This aircraft is expected to be operational between 2012 and 2013. Some argue that the JSF will be a clearly more capable aircraft. It will be stealthy, employ advanced, integrated avionics, the most modern agile electronically scanned array (AESA) radars, and is hoped to be cheaper to procure and operate than the Super Hornet. JSF proponents also argue that the F-35 will field, and that the F/A-18E/F lacks, advanced computing and communications capabilities that enable tomorrow's combat aircraft to fully participate in high speed collaborative targeting. Sharing and receiving targeting information from other sources appears central, JSF proponents argue, to effectively engaging challenging targets. Improved enemy air defenses suggest that the Navy field these kinds of strike fighter attributes quickly if it is to remain survivable and relevant on tomorrow's battlefield. In addition to these operational attributes, the JSF is hoped to be less expensive to procure and to operate than the Super Hornet.

JSF advocates argue that the F/A-18E/F program should be truncated, and that more resources should be invested in the JSF program. It makes little sense, they say, to continue purchasing two types of aircraft that perform essentially the same role, especially when one is clearly superior. The Super Hornet is a "compromise" program, JSF proponents say, designed to fill the void left by the cancelled A-12. It isn't as good a fighter aircraft as the F-14 Tomcat, nor it as good an attack aircraft as was the A-6E Intruder.

The ease with which the U.S. Air Forces have dominated its recent military opponents (e.g., Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq) suggest that the current inventory of F- 14s and F/A-18C/Ds will continue to be effective until the JSF is fielded. Much can be saved by truncating the Super Hornet and buying the JSF in even greater numbers. Acting DOD acquisition chief Michael Wynne reportedly suggested that truncating the F/A-18E/F purchase in favor of the JSF could be considered if DOD had to reduce its tactical aviation procurement budget.23

While the Navy looks forward to the JSF's eventual deployment, F/A-18E/F proponents point out that it is still in development and there is no guarantee that it will be fielded on time. Many aviation programs, such as the C-17 Globemaster, RAH-66 Comanche, and the V-22 Osprey, take much longer to develop and procure than planned. The F/A-18E/F is a bird in the hand, its supporters say, and its rapid and continued procurement is essential to executing the Navy's current and evolving military strategy. In 2006 Navy leaders and the Senate Armed Services Committee supported the purchase of additional Super Hornets. In its mark-up of the FY2007 Defense Authorization Bill, the Committee noted


the Navy will confront a sizeable gap in aircraft inventory as older F/A-18A-D Hornets retire before the aircraft carrier variant of the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) is available.....The magnitude of the problem, and the procurement cost to avoid a shortfall in the carrier air wing force structure, is entirely dependent on when the Navy determines that its F/A-18A/Cs are at the end of their service life....the committee recommends that the Navy consider buying additional F/A-18E/Fs to mitigate the known shortfall, while allowing the Navy to transition to the JSF as soon as feasible.24
Super Hornet advocates argue that while the JSF will be a valuable contribution to the Navy inventory, its capabilities complement the F/A-18E/F rather than supercede it. It is not clear that stealth technology is required immediately and stealthy aircraft have not proven invulnerable in recent conflicts. Also, to maintain its stealthy signature, the JSF must carry its weapons internally, which limits its payload.

Proponents of the F/A-18E/F acknowledge that the plane lacks some of the F-14D's mission capabilities speed and all-weather attack capability and the A-6E's range/payload, but they argue that advances in weapons and targeting capabilities make up for these shortcomings. Further, they argue, the Super Hornet offers considerable upgrade potential. Modernizing the F/A-18E/F with softwareprogrammable radios, computers and other networking equipment is relatively straightforward, proponents argue.

Congressional Action
The administration's FY2007 budget requested $3,658 million in procurement and $403.4 million in RDT&E funds for F/A-18 aircraft.

Table 2. F/A-18E/F/G FY2007 Budget
($ millions)
Procurement RDT&E
$ # $
Request E/F FY07
E/F APCY
G FY07
G APCY
Mods 2,288.3
53.0
865.4
39.8
411.5 30
-
12
-
- F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 31.1
372.3
Authorization House H.R. 5122 (109-452) E/F FY07
E/F APCY
G FY07
G APCY
Mods 2,288.3
53.0
865.4
39.8
411.5 30
-
12
-
- F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 48.2
372.3
Appropriation Senate S. 2766 (109-254) E/F FY07
E/F APCY
G FY07
G APCY
Mods 2,288.3
53.0
865.4
39.8
411.5 30
-
12
-
- F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 31.1
37


House authorizers added R&D funding to the F/A-18 account for composite missile launch improvement, digital electronic warfare system, and digital heads-up display upgrade.

The administration's FY2006 budget requested $3,581.4 million in procurement and $497.8 million in RDT&E funds for F/A-18 aircraft. Congressional action on this request is summarized in the table below. Adjustments to the request are highlighted with bold font.


Table 3. F/A-18E/F/G FY2006 Budget
($ millions)
Procurement RDT&E
$ # $
Request E/F FY06
E/F APCY
G FY06
G APCY
Mods 2,736.2
86.1
310.2
26.5
422.4 38
-
4
-
- F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 88.7
409.0
Authorization Conference H.R. 1815 (109-360) E/F FY06
E/F APCY
G FY06
G APCY
Mods 2,739.4
86.1
310.2
26.5
422.4 38
-
4
-
- F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 88.7
409.0
Appropriation Conference H.R. 2863 (109-359) E/F FY06
E/F APCY
G FY06
G APCY
Mods 2,740.2
86.1
310.2
26.5
433.4 38
-
4
-
- F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 87.4
400.0



Both authorizers and appropriators added procurement funding for F/A-18E/F Shared reconnaissance pods (SHARP), and appropriators added funds for spare engines and modules. Appropriators cut EA-18G R&D funds due to program support costs, and reduced F/A-18 R&D funding due to program execution.

The administration's FY2005 budget requested $3,406 million in F/A-18 procurement funds and $134 million in F/A-18 RDT&E. Congressional action on this request is summarized in the table below. Adjustments to the request are highlighted with bold font.



Table 4. F/A-18E/F/G FY2005 Budget
($ millions) Procurement RDT&E
$ # $
Request E/F FY05
APCY
EA-18G APCY
Mods 2,907.5
78.3
8.2
412.5 42 F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 134.5
357.5
Authorization Conference H.R. 4200 (H.Rept. 108-767) E/F FY05
APCY
EA-18G APCY
Mods 2,907.5
78.3
0.0
412.5 42 F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 134.5
357.5
Appropriation Conference H.R. 4613 (H.Rept. 108-553) E/F FY05
APCY
EA-18G APCY
Mods 2,907.5
78.3
8.2
420.9 42 F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 138.2
357.5

House appropriators (H.Rept. 108-553, H.R. 4613) recommended eliminating EA-18G advance procurement because it believed the program to be overly aggressive and wanted the Navy to conduct more testing before acquisition (p.145). Increases to F/A-18 procurement (modifications) funded improvements to safety and targeting capabilities.25 Increases to the F/A-18's RDT&E account funded improved displays, data recorders, and information systems.26


Footnotes:
1. For more information on the EA-6B and electronic warfare, see CRS Report RL30639, Electronic Warfare: EA-6B Aircraft Modernization and Related Issues for Congress, by Christopher Bolkcom.

2. The Navy The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program, currently projected by Defense Department officials to produce up to 680 new fighter/attack planes for the Navy and Marine Corps, could yield operational aircraft in 2012 that will complement and eventually replace the F/A-18E/F.

3. The December 31, 2005 SAR estimates the F/A-18E/F mission radii for fighter escort and interdiction missions to be 439nm and 468nm respectively.

4. U.S. General Accounting Office, Navy Aviation: F/A-18E/F Will Provide Marginal Operational Improvement at High Cost, GAO/NSIAD-96-98, June 1996.

5. David Fulghum, "Cool, Small, Cheap Defines Flexible Next Generation Radar," Aviation Week & Space Technology, Sept. 11, 2000, p. 61.

6. Report of the Defense Science Board Task Force on Future DOD Airborne High Frequency Radar Needs/Resources, April 2001, Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Technology.

7. Lorenzo Cortes, "AESA Allows Super Hornet to Perform Tactical Electronic Attack, Navy Official Says," Defense Daily, Dec. 4, 2002 and "New Sensors Grab Extra Combat Roles," Aviation Week & Space Technology, Sept. 11, 2000.

8. "The F/A-18 & EA-18G." (Briefing) F/A-18 Deputy Program Manager for System Development. PEOTACAIR. July 19, 2005. Stephen Trimble, "Super Hornet Crews Ponder New Missions as Block II Upgrades Arrive," Aerospace Daily, Sept. 9, 2003 and Christopher Castelli, "Navy to Integrate JDAM HART with Super Hornet's AESA Radar," Inside the Navy, Oct. 13, 2003.

9. Key elements of the TAI plan is to operate a smaller number of strike fighters, reduce the planned procurement of strike fighters, increase the readiness of Navy aircraft, increase funding for modernization, and increase cross-assignment of Navy and Marine Corps fighter squadrons. For more information, see CRS Report RS21488, Navy-Marine Corps Tactical Air Integration Plan: Background and Issues for Congress, by Christopher Bolkcom and Ronald O'Rourke.

10. "Boeing's Super Hornet Cleared for International Sales," Defense Daily, Aug. 7, 2001.

11. Michael Sirak, "Malaysia Seeks Super Hornets to Augment F/A-18 Fleet," Jane's Defence Weekly, Sept. 18, 2002.

12. For more information, see CRS Report RS22148, Combat Aircraft Sales to South Asia: Potential Implications, by Christopher Bolkcom, Richard F. Grimmett, and K. Alan Kronstadt.

13. For more information on arms sales, see CRS Report RS20757 and CRS Report RL31529 (out of print; for copies, contact author at 7-2577).

14. Ron Laurenzo, "Boeing Hunts Abroad for Super Hornet Sales," Defense Today, Aug. 11, 2004 and Jason Ma, "Navy, Boeing Pitch Super Hornet for Potential International Sales," Inside the Navy, Oct. 4, 2004.

15. Robert Wall, "Navy Commitment," Aviation Week & Space Technology, Jan. 5, 2004.

16. Tony Capaccio, "Boeing Super Hornet, New U.S. Fighter, Begins Patrols Over Iraq," Bloomberg.com, Oct. 31, 2002.

17. "Super Hornets Make Combat Debut," Defense Daily, Nov. 8, 2002, p. 4.

18. "Navy Issues Decision on Super Hornet Basing," Immediate Release, No. 663-03. Department of the Navy, Sept. 10, 2003.

19. Kate Wiltrout, "Navy Says It Will Re-Examine Four Alternate Sites For OLF," Norfolk Virginian-Pilot, June 25, 2005.

20. For more information on the EA-6B and electronic warfare, see CRS Report RL30639, Electronic Warfare: EA-6B Aircraft Modernization and Related Issues for Congress, by Christopher Bolkcom.

21. Robert Wall, "U.S. Marines Realize Time Is Short to Draft EA-6B Follow-on Plan," Aviation Week & Space Technology, Jan. 3, 2005.

22. "Navy Awards Boeing $9.6 Billion in Super Hornet and EA-18G Contracts," Press Release, The Boeing Company, St. Louis, Dec. 29, 2003.

23. Dave Ahearn, "Wynne Weighs Overlap of F/A-18, JSF Carrier Versions," Defense Today, Dec. 16, 2004.

24. S. 2766 (109-254), May 9, 2006. p.111.

25. H.R. 4613 (H.Rept. 108-553) p. 174.

26. Ibid. p. 305.


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[The opinions expressed in this publication are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views of the Naval Historical Center].


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#4383 Mensagem por GDA_Fear » Dom Jul 05, 2009 7:03 pm

PRick escreveu:
GDA_Fear escreveu:Alguém me corrige caso estiver errado, mas a EMBRAER não domina essa tecnologia de FBW???

Edit: Porque o FBW pode derrubar um avião ??
Na verdade o FBW é o hardware, agregado a ele tem o FCS, que é quem de fato faz a aeronave voar, ele é um binômio, computadores e programas que cuidam do controle de voo, fundamental em caças que tem a estabilidade feita de modo artificial, a Embraer não tem essa tecnologia. O AMX era um caça normal, com servo controle FBW.

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PRick creio que a EMBRAER possua essa tecnologia

"O jato regional da Embraer está equipado com a mais moderna aviônica. A carga de trabalho do piloto é reduzida e o desempenho da aeronave é otimizada com os sistemas integrados de controle de voo guiados pela tecnologia Fly-By-Wire. Ela reduz os custos de transição da tripulação entre qualquer membro da família E-Jets."

http://www.revistaaviaorevue.com.br/index.asp?codc=1030

Tudo bem não é FBW para caças mas se ela domina pode muito bem fazer um FBW para caças.




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#4384 Mensagem por Hader » Dom Jul 05, 2009 7:05 pm

GDA_Fear escreveu:
PRick escreveu: Na verdade o FBW é o hardware, agregado a ele tem o FCS, que é quem de fato faz a aeronave voar, ele é um binômio, computadores e programas que cuidam do controle de voo, fundamental em caças que tem a estabilidade feita de modo artificial, a Embraer não tem essa tecnologia. O AMX era um caça normal, com servo controle FBW.

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Andei dando uma pesquisada se a EMBRAER possue tecnologia de FBW porque não poderiamos botar um 'alternativo' no SH ?
GDA_Fear, esta possibilidade não existe, pois envolve justamente um dos conjuntos de código que não será aberto mas nem que a vaca tussa. Para integrar um FBW "nacional" teríamos que promover alterações no cerne do sistema de gerenciamento dinâmico dos sistemas de vôo.

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#4385 Mensagem por Luís Henrique » Dom Jul 05, 2009 7:16 pm

Santiago escreveu:
Luís Henrique escreveu:Um tal de Spock do Base Militar colocou o valor do SH e do Rafale e o Pepê confirmou os valores.

U$ 54 mi para o SH
E$ 70 mi para o Rafale F3.

Pela cotação do dólar e do euro no dia 03/07/09 daria:

R$ 105 mi pelo SH
R$ 191 mi pelo Rafale

A diferença é CONSIDERÁVEL.
TB foi dito que os americanos concordaram em oferecer os códigos fonte para a integração de armamentos.
Mas diferente dos franceses, os americanos não nos transferem todos os códigos, como o do sistema FBW, que em tese, poderia significar que os americanos poderiam derrubar a aeronave via satélite...
Putz Luis! Não é paranóia excessiva não?

Vamos supor que ambos transfiram os códigos do FBW. E ai? Não participamos da sua concepção e duvido que possamos modificar algo significativo ou talvez nada.

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Concordo que é paranóia excessiva. :mrgreen:
Mas de uma forma ou de outra ficamos na mão deles.

É claro que em qualquer caso ficaremos na mão do fornecedor. Para 36 caças, não teremos 100% de nacionalização.
Mas se entrarmos em guerra contra os franceses, e tivermos acesso total ao caça Rafale, poderemos utiliza-lo contra eles.
[Se entrarmos em guerra contra os americanos, em tese, eles poderiam acessar partes do código a qual não temos acesso e poderiam derrubar a nossa aeronave, ou coloca-la fora de operação.

Nas partes de código que não temos acesso, pode ter instruções que podem ser acessadas remotamente. Entendeu?




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#4386 Mensagem por GDA_Fear » Dom Jul 05, 2009 7:27 pm

Vai em Azul
PRick escreveu:
GDA_Fear escreveu:F/A-18 Hornet strike fighter

General Characteristics, Super Hornet, E and F models
Primary Function: Multi-role attack and fighter aircraft.
Contractor: McDonnell Douglas.
Date Deployed: First flight in November 1995. Initial Operational Capability (IOC) in September 2001 with VFA-115, NAS Lemoore, Calif. First cruise for VFA-115 is onboard the USS Abraham Lincoln.
Unit Cost: $57 million
Propulsion: Two F414-GE-400 turbofan engines. 22,000 pounds (9,977 kg) static thrust per engine.
Length: 60.3 feet (18.5 meters).
Height: 16 feet (4.87 meters).
Wingspan: 44.9 feet (13.68 meters).
Weight: Maximum Take Off Gross Weight is 66,000 pounds (29,932 kg).
Airspeed: Mach 1.8+.
Ceiling: 50,000+ feet.
Range: Combat: 1,275 nautical miles (2,346 kilometers), clean plus two AIM-9s
Ferry: 1,660 nautical miles (3,054 kilometers), two AIM-9s, three 480 gallon tanks retained.
Crew: A, C and E models: One
B, D and F models: Two.
Armament: One M61A1/A2 Vulcan 20mm cannon; AIM 9 Sidewinder, AIM-9X (projected), AIM 7 Sparrow, AIM-120 AMRAAM, Harpoon, Harm, SLAM, SLAM-ER (projected), Maverick missiles; Joint Stand-Off Weapon (JSOW); Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM); Data Link Pod; Paveway Laser Guided Bomb; various general purpose bombs, mines and rockets. See the F/A-18 weapons load-out page.

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_displ ... =1200&ct=1
A diferença entre a propaganda e o fato real, o documento abaixo é o que foi apresentado ao Congresso dos EUA, não faz parte de propaganda, do mesmo modo já postei aqui o documento oficial do DoD, FMS para a Austrália, quando cada F-18F saiu por 129 milhões com material de apoio, bem dentro desse documento abaixo, que fala em 100 milhões para os F-18G.

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DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY -- NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER
805 KIDDER BREESE SE -- WASHINGTON NAVY YARD
WASHINGTON DC 20374-5060

Navy F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler Aircraft:
Background and Issues for Congress
Congressional Research Service Report for Congress


Christopher Bolkcom
Specialist in National Defense
Foreign Affairs, Defense, and Trade Division
Updated June 8, 2006



Contents
Summary
Introduction 1
Background 1
The F/A-18E/F Program 2
System Description 2
Costs, Purchases and Schedule 5
Sales, Operations, and Basing 6
EA-18G "Growler" 7
Key Issues for Congress 8

Congressional Action 10

List of Figures
Figure 1. Comparison of F/A-18 Dimensions 3

List of Tables
Table 1. Comparison of F/A-187 C/D and E/F 4
Table 2. F/A-18E/F/G FY2007 Budget 10
Table 3. F/A-18E/F/G FY2006 Budget 11
Table 4. F/A-18E/F/G FY2005 Budget 11


Summary
The F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is the Navy's highest priority aviation modernization program. It is replacing Navy F/A-18C/D Hornet combat aircraft.
The decision to undertake [the] F/A-18E/F Super Hornet program was made during a period of great turbulence in Navy aviation modernization. During this time frame the Navy struggled to identify and implement the best way to modernize its aging fleet of F-14 fighters and A-6E attack aircraft. The A-12 program (a stealthy replacement to the A-6E) was terminated in January 1991. The AFX program, another proposed replacement for the A-6E, began in 1991, but was also terminated.

The principal alternative to the F/A-18E/F was a modest upgrade of the F-14 -- a large, two-seat fighter designed in the 1960s, with potential air-to-surface attack capabilities. Some observers describe the F/A-18E/F as an upgraded and larger version of the F/A-18C/D, with increased range and payload capacity and more space and weight for future improvements. Others assert that the differences between the baseline Hornet aircraft and the E/F model are so great that they would describe the Super Hornet as an entirely new aircraft.

The Department of Defense is currently facing a shortage of radar and communications jamming capability. The Navy and Marine Corp's EA-6B Prowlers escort and protect Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force aircraft operating in hostile airspace. The Prowlers, however, are few and rapidly aging.1 All the Services are evaluating preferred approaches to ameliorating this shortfall. The Navy's approach is to produce a new electronic attack aircraft based on the F/A-18F, called the EA-18G.

The Defense Department's Selected Acquisition Report (SAR) of December 31, 2005, estimated the acquisition cost of a 462-aircraft program at $44 billion. The cost of procuring 90 EA-18G electronic attack variants is estimated at $9 billion. The Super Hornet has been approved for international export, but no sales have been made as of June 2006. Key issues surrounding the program relate to the total number of Super Hornets to be procured.


Introduction
The F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is the Navy's highest priority aviation modernization program, replacing rapidly aging F/A-18C/D Hornet combat aircraft.2 It has been employed in conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq and is currently in full rate production. Principal issues surrounding the program relate to the total number of Super Hornets to be procured.
Background
The decision to undertake the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet program was made during a period of great turbulence in Navy aviation modernization, when the Navy was struggling to identify and implement the best way to modernize its aging fleet of F-14 fighters and A-6E attack aircraft. The A-12 program (a stealthy replacement to the A-6E) was terminated in January 1991. The AFX program, another proposed replacement for the A-6E, began in 1991, but was also terminated. Efforts to develop a carrier-based naval version of the Air Force's F-22 Advanced Tactical Fighter were abandoned in 1991 and proposals for a carrier-capable version of the Air Force's F-117 were never endorsed by Navy leadership.
In the midst of these program starts and stops, the principal alternative to the F/A-18E/F (a major upgrade of the F/A-18, a smaller, one- or two-seat strike-fighter designed in the 1970s as a lower-cost supplement to the F-14) was a modest upgrade of the F-14: a large, two-seat fighter designed in the 1960s with potential air-to-surface attack capabilities.

Proponents of the F/A-18E/F argued that upgrading the F/A-18 to take over the F-14's air-to-air combat mission would cost less in procurement and operating expenses than upgrading the F-14 to take over the F/A-18's air-to-surface attack mission. Some also argued that the F-14's long-range air defense mission, known as the outer air battle, will be less important in the post-Cold War era, when naval aircraft are expected to be used at shorter ranges in littoral (off-shore) operations in Third-World scenarios. Competing upgrade options were proposed for both the F-14 and the F/A-18. In 1992, the House and Senate Armed Services Committees recommended development of both the F/A-18E/F and an attack-capable version of the F-14 (P.L. 102-484, Section 125).

The F/A-18E/F program began officially in May 1992 when the Defense Acquisition Board (DAB) approved the commencement of engineering/manufacturing development (EMD). On July 21, 1992, the Navy awarded two contracts to get EMD under way: McDonnell Douglas received $97 million from a $3,964-million contract to develop the airframe and General Electric received $94 million from a $754-million contract to develop the F414-GE-400 engine. On September 18, 1995, the Navy received the first of seven EMD aircraft to be flight-tested in 1995-98. By September 1997, these test planes had logged some 1,500 flight hours, with carrier-based flights beginning in January 1997 aboard the USS John C. Stennis.

Although derived from an existing aircraft, the F/A-18E/F suffered noteworthy developmental challenges. In 1996, flight testing was suspended when problems with the Super Hornet's engines caused the aircraft to be grounded. The Super Hornet fleet was grounded a second time in 1998 when engine problems resurfaced.

In December 1997, the F/A-18E/F's persistent performance problems in highspeed maneuvers led the Navy to delay FY1998 funding for the program, pending solution of these problems. First experienced in March 1996, the aircraft's "wingdrop" problem may occur during turns at speeds of .6 to .9 Mach (speed of sound), when the wing loses lift and the plane rolls unexpectedly to the left or right, preventing the pilot from tracking a target. Since this anomaly was apparently related to the wing's leading edge, some feared the wing might have to be redesigned; others thought the problem could be resolved by modifications of the wing, such as adding a "porous wing fairing." After successful flight testing of this modification, Secretary of Defense Cohen approved FY1998 funding for procurement of another 20 aircraft on April 3, 1998.

The Defense Department's Quadrennial Defense Review (QDR) of May 19, 1997, recommended reducing procurement of F/A-18E/Fs from 1,000 aircraft to 548, with the possibility of buying up to 785 if the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program were delayed or if the aircraft were too expensive compared to the F/A-18E/F. Defense Secretary William Cohen stated that he hoped this change in the program would set up "creative tension" between the contractors producing the JSF and the F/A-18E/F. The QDR also recommended reducing the maximum annual production rate to 48 aircraft. These recommendations were reflected in the FY1999 budget's procurement projections.

The F/A-18E/F Program
System Description
Some observers describe the F/A-18E/F as an upgraded and larger version of the F/A-18C/D, with increased range and payload capacity and more space and weight for future improvements. Other observers assert that the differences between the baseline Hornet aircraft and the E/F model are so great that they would describe the Super Hornet as an entirely new aircraft. The single-seat F/A-18E and twin-seat F/A-18F will replace the single-seat C and twin-seat D versions of the F/A-18, which have been in production since 1986. Compared to the F/A-18C/D, the F/A-18E/F has a longer fuselage (+4.3 ft) and a 25% larger wing, providing 33% more internal fuel capacity (14,500 vs. 10,381 lb.); two additional weapon stations (11 vs. 9); and survivability improvements (e.g., new electronic warfare equipment and reduced vulnerable areas). The F/A-18E/F is powered by two upgraded F414-GE-400 engines (developed originally for the A-12), producing 36% more thrust than the C/D's F404 engines. Using 480-gal tanks increases the E/F's external fuel capacity to 9,800 lb. (vs. the C/D's 6,700 lb. with 330-gal tanks). The use of low-observable materials and shaping makes the E/F less detectable by radar than the C/D.


Figure 1. Comparison of F/A-18 Dimensions

In 1992, the F/A-18's operational requirements specified a combat radius of 410 nautical miles (nm, 1.15 statute miles) for fighter missions and 430 nm for attack missions. Such ranges were not achieved by the F/A-18C/D, whose range/payload capabilities have been reduced by weight growth due to equipment added in successive upgrades since 1982, when its combat radius was 366 nm in fighter missions and 415 nm in attack missions. In 1992 the Navy projected the F/A-18E/F's fighter combat radius to be about 420 nm, with an attack radius of about 490 nm -- exceeding requirements of 410 nm and 430 nm for these missions.3 In carrier landings, the F/A-18E/F is estimated to be able to bring back 9,000 lb of fuel/ordnance payload vs. the C/D's recovery payload of less than 6,000 lb.

These improvements in range, payload, and bring-back capability, are viewed by the Navy as the primary advantages of the E/F over the C/D. In 1996, the General Accounting Office seriously questioned the F/A-18E/F's performance advantages over the C/D variant, arguing that F/A-18C/Ds could provide similar capabilities at lower costs.4 The Navy did not agree with these GAO conclusions, which were cited during Senate debate on the F/A-18E/F program in July 1996.


Table 1.
Comparison of F/A-18 C/D and E/F
Program Unit Acquisition Cost $43 milliona $95.3 millionb
Propulsion 2 F404-GE-402 turbofans 2 F414-GE-400 turbofans
Thrust 17,700 lbs 22,000 lbs
Speed Mach 1.7 Mach 1.8
External fuel capacity 6,700 lbs 9,800 lbs
Approx. Un-refueled Combat Radius Fighter: 366 nm
Attack: 415 nm Fighter: 420 nm
Attack: 490 nm
Weapon hard points 9 11
First Flight November 1978 December 1995


Notes:
a. Selected Acquisition Reports, Dec. 31, 1994, Department of Defense (DOD) Comptroller. Reflects a purchase of 1,026 aircraft. Figure is adjusted for inflation and expressed in 2006 dollars.
b. Selected Acquisition Reports, December 31, 2005. DOD Comptroller, assumes 462 aircraft purchase, does not include $9 billion estimate to procure 90 EA-18G variants.

The F/A-18E/F's radar will also differentiate it from earlier models. Under current plans, 419 of the Super Hornets procured by the Navy will be equipped with active electronically steered array (AESA) radar. Conventional radars are limited, in part, by the speed with which their antennas can be mechanically moved. Recent improvements in electronics technology enable AESA radars to update a radar's computer several times a second.5 AESA radars are expected to offer up to 30 times the net radar capability of mechanically steered radars.6 The hope is that they are more reliable than mechanically steered radars and are able to perform several different functions almost simultaneously.

Many believe that in addition to seeking out and locking on to enemy targets, AESA radars will also offer powerful electronic warfare capabilities, specifically the ability to jam enemy radars that attempt to target the F/A-18E/F.7 It is currently unclear exactly how effective this jamming capability will be and if it will complement or compete with the electronic attack capabilities offered by the proposed EA-18G model. Other Super Hornet upgrades -- Advanced Targeting Forward Looking Infrared (ATFLIR), Joint Helmet Mounted Cuing System (JHMCS), JDAM Hornet Autonomous Real-Time Targeting Capability, and, for the F model, the Advanced Crew Station -- are hoped to combine with AESA to give the Super Hornet superior all weather precision attack capabilities against timecritical targets.8

Costs, Purchases and Schedule
The Defense Department's Selected Acquisition Report (SAR) of December 31, 2005, estimated the acquisition cost of a 462-aircraft program at $44 billion. The cost of procuring 90 EA-18G electronic attack variants is estimated at $9 billion. The currently planned F/A-18E/F program reflects the Department of the Navy's implementation of its Tactical Air Integration Plan (TAI), which includes an 88-plane reduction in the number of Super Hornets to be procured. The implications for the overall program, in terms of cost and other factors, is still being studied.9
On December 7, 1998, the Defense Department announced the Navy's award of a contract to start production of the 30 aircraft funded in FY1999. Up to seven production aircraft began operational testing and evaluation (OT&E) flights in late May of 1999 at China Lake, CA, which continued through November 1999. In March 2000, Navy test squadron VX-9 reported that the F/A-18EF had passed its six month OT&E. The squadron flew 1,233 hours in 850 "missions," performed more than 24 carrier operations, and participated in a "Red Flag" exercise. Based on this successful operational evaluation, on June 16, 2000, the Navy announced the signing of a multi-year contract with [the] Boeing Company for the F/A-18E/F full rate production. Under the five-year contract, the Navy agreed to pay $8.9 billion for 222 aircraft. The second F/A-18E/F multi-year procurement contract -- estimated at $8.9 billion over five years to procure 210 aircraft -- was awarded in December 2003. Aqui da em média 43 milhões por aeronave isso que eu arredondei para 9 bilhões o contrato.

The FY2007 defense budget projected the following annual buys: FY2007: 30; FY2008: 24; FY2009: 20; FY2010: 22; FY2011: 14. The first production aircraft were delivered in 1999 for operational testing and evaluation, with initial operating capability (IOC) achieved in 2001.

Sales, Operations, and Basing
In June 2001 the Department of Defense approved the Super Hornet for international export.10 Malaysia, which currently operates the two-seat F/A-18D, appears to be a potential importer. On September 4, 2002, the Department of Defense (DOD) notified Congress of the potential sale of 18 F/A-18Fs to Malaysia as part of a larger $1.48 billion arms dealAqui da em média 84 milhões, but as of 2006 no sale has taken place.11 The Indian government plans to import approximately 125 combat aircraft, and the F/A-18E/F has been discussed as a potential competitor for this contract.12 Other potential F/A-18E/F importers include Australia, Bulgaria, Finland, Japan, Kuwait, Spain, and Switzerland.
Generally speaking, arguments for foreign military sales tend to focus on advancing U.S. industry, supporting allied countries, and promoting interoperability with those countries. Arguments against arms sales tend to focus on the negative aspects of military technology proliferation and the potential for causing regional instability. The government approves arms sales on a case-by case basis.13 According to press reports, the Boeing Co., with assistance from the Navy, is aggressively marketing the Super Hornet for export.14 Despite these efforts, international orders for the F/A-18E/F have not yet emerged. Some believe that a lack of international business is hindering Boeing's efforts to reduce the aircraft's price.15

Strike Fighter Squadron 115 (VFA-115), based at Naval Air Station Lemoore, CA, was the first fleet operational F/A-18E/F squadron. VFA-115 Super Hornets deployed in the summer of 2002 aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72). This 12-plane squadron flew approximately 90 missions over Afghanistan in support of Operation Enduring Freedom.16 VFA-115 also deployed to the Persian Gulf region and participated in Operation Southern Watch, enforcing the "No-Fly Zones" over Iraq. In November 2002, F/A-18E/F aircraft used the Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) to attack Iraqi surface-to-air missile systems and a command and control communications facility.17 F/A-18E/F squadrons from the aircraft carriers Abraham Lincoln and Nimitz participated in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

On September 10, 2003, the Navy released its decision to base eight F/A-18E/F fleet squadrons and one fleet replacement squadron (120 aircraft) at Naval Air Station (NAS) Oceana, (VA), two fleet squadrons (24 aircraft) at Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Cherry Point (NC) and to construct an outlying field (OLF) in Washington County, NC.18 The Washington County site for the OLF has proven controversial and the Navy is considering alternatives.19

EA-18G "Growler"
The Department of Defense is currently facing a shortage of radar and communications jamming capability. The Navy and Marine Corps' EA-6B Prowlers escort and protect Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force aircraft operating in hostile airspace. The Prowlers, however, are few and rapidly aging.20 All the Services are evaluating approaches to ameliorating this shortfall. The Navy's approach is to produce a new electronic attack aircraft based on the F/A-18F, called the EA-18G.
Basing the EA-6B's replacement on the F/A-18E/F airframe is attractive to the Navy because it is expected to engender less new training, operations and maintenance than a new type of aircraft. Operating an electronic attack aircraft that can fly at the same speed and to the same ranges as the strike aircraft it is supporting should also generate operational benefits. The Marine Corps does not operate, and currently does not plan to procure, the FA/18-E/F, so fielding the EA-18G is presumably less attractive to that Service. In January 2005 it was reported that the Marine Corps was embarking on a year-long study to determine the F-35's potential to replace the EA-6B.21

F/A-18F and EA-18G models are expected to be produced on the same production line starting in FY2008 and achieve initial operational capability (IOC) in September 2009. The EA-18G would share the F/A-18F's airframe and avionics and be built on the same assembly line. The EA-18G would replace the F-model's cannon with a nose-mounted jamming processor and carry up to five ALQ-99 jamming pods. These are the same jamming pods currently employed by the EA-6B.

The Navy's currently envisioned program includes a total buy of 90 EA-18Gs -- at a cost of $9 billion -- to augment and replace the aging EA-6B force. The Navy has awarded a $1 billion contract to Boeing for system design and development (SDD).22 Procurement of 56 EA-18Gs by FY2009 is included in Boeing's second MYP contract (154 F/A-18E/Fs fill out the 210-aircraft contract). If 56 EA-18Gs are not approved, additional F/A-19E/Fs will be produced to maintain the contract's 42 aircraft per year minimum quantity. During FY2005 congressional action, authorizers and Senate appropriators expressed their concerns about the program's progress. (See Congressional Action section, below.)

Key Issues for Congress
The principal issues surrounding the program at this juncture relate to the total number of Super Hornets to be procured.
Number of Super Hornets to be Procured
Like other DOD tactical aviation programs (e.g., F-22A, RAH-66, JSF), the planned number of F/A-18E/F Super Hornets to be procured has decreased over time. The current plan is to procure 462 E/F models, about half of the originally planned quantity. Several factors could influence whether the planned procurement number continues to decrease or holds steady.
The Department of the Navy has recently implemented a Tactical Aviation Integration plan, which has reduced the planned number of Super Hornets and F-35s to be procured and fielded. If this integration of Navy and Marine Corps aviation appears successful, some may argue for further reductions in these aircraft. The potential retirement of the aircraft carrier USS John F. Kennedy could also spark discussion of aircraft reductions. Further in the future, the successful fielding of naval unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) for both surveillance and strike missions could compete with manned Navy aircraft for deck space. The most discussed factor, however, influencing the potential purchase of Super Hornets is the F-35 program.

The Navy and Marine Corps are both planning on procuring variants of the F-35 JSF. This aircraft is expected to be operational between 2012 and 2013. Some argue that the JSF will be a clearly more capable aircraft. It will be stealthy, employ advanced, integrated avionics, the most modern agile electronically scanned array (AESA) radars, and is hoped to be cheaper to procure and operate than the Super Hornet. JSF proponents also argue that the F-35 will field, and that the F/A-18E/F lacks, advanced computing and communications capabilities that enable tomorrow's combat aircraft to fully participate in high speed collaborative targeting. Sharing and receiving targeting information from other sources appears central, JSF proponents argue, to effectively engaging challenging targets. Improved enemy air defenses suggest that the Navy field these kinds of strike fighter attributes quickly if it is to remain survivable and relevant on tomorrow's battlefield. In addition to these operational attributes, the JSF is hoped to be less expensive to procure and to operate than the Super Hornet.

JSF advocates argue that the F/A-18E/F program should be truncated, and that more resources should be invested in the JSF program. It makes little sense, they say, to continue purchasing two types of aircraft that perform essentially the same role, especially when one is clearly superior. The Super Hornet is a "compromise" program, JSF proponents say, designed to fill the void left by the cancelled A-12. It isn't as good a fighter aircraft as the F-14 Tomcat, nor it as good an attack aircraft as was the A-6E Intruder.

The ease with which the U.S. Air Forces have dominated its recent military opponents (e.g., Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq) suggest that the current inventory of F- 14s and F/A-18C/Ds will continue to be effective until the JSF is fielded. Much can be saved by truncating the Super Hornet and buying the JSF in even greater numbers. Acting DOD acquisition chief Michael Wynne reportedly suggested that truncating the F/A-18E/F purchase in favor of the JSF could be considered if DOD had to reduce its tactical aviation procurement budget.23

While the Navy looks forward to the JSF's eventual deployment, F/A-18E/F proponents point out that it is still in development and there is no guarantee that it will be fielded on time. Many aviation programs, such as the C-17 Globemaster, RAH-66 Comanche, and the V-22 Osprey, take much longer to develop and procure than planned. The F/A-18E/F is a bird in the hand, its supporters say, and its rapid and continued procurement is essential to executing the Navy's current and evolving military strategy. In 2006 Navy leaders and the Senate Armed Services Committee supported the purchase of additional Super Hornets. In its mark-up of the FY2007 Defense Authorization Bill, the Committee noted


the Navy will confront a sizeable gap in aircraft inventory as older F/A-18A-D Hornets retire before the aircraft carrier variant of the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) is available.....The magnitude of the problem, and the procurement cost to avoid a shortfall in the carrier air wing force structure, is entirely dependent on when the Navy determines that its F/A-18A/Cs are at the end of their service life....the committee recommends that the Navy consider buying additional F/A-18E/Fs to mitigate the known shortfall, while allowing the Navy to transition to the JSF as soon as feasible.24
Super Hornet advocates argue that while the JSF will be a valuable contribution to the Navy inventory, its capabilities complement the F/A-18E/F rather than supercede it. It is not clear that stealth technology is required immediately and stealthy aircraft have not proven invulnerable in recent conflicts. Also, to maintain its stealthy signature, the JSF must carry its weapons internally, which limits its payload.

Proponents of the F/A-18E/F acknowledge that the plane lacks some of the F-14D's mission capabilities speed and all-weather attack capability and the A-6E's range/payload, but they argue that advances in weapons and targeting capabilities make up for these shortcomings. Further, they argue, the Super Hornet offers considerable upgrade potential. Modernizing the F/A-18E/F with softwareprogrammable radios, computers and other networking equipment is relatively straightforward, proponents argue.

Congressional Action
The administration's FY2007 budget requested $3,658 million in procurement and $403.4 million in RDT&E funds for F/A-18 aircraft.

Table 2. F/A-18E/F/G FY2007 Budget
($ millions)
Procurement RDT&E
$ # $
Request E/F FY07
E/F APCY
G FY07
G APCY
Mods 2,288.3
53.0
865.4
39.8
411.5 30
-
12
-
- F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 31.1
372.3
Authorization House H.R. 5122 (109-452) E/F FY07
E/F APCY
G FY07
G APCY
Mods 2,288.3
53.0
865.4
39.8
411.5 30
-
12
-
- F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 48.2
372.3
Appropriation Senate S. 2766 (109-254) E/F FY07
E/F APCY
G FY07
G APCY
Mods 2,288.3
53.0
865.4
39.8
411.5 30
-
12
-
- F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 31.1
37


House authorizers added R&D funding to the F/A-18 account for composite missile launch improvement, digital electronic warfare system, and digital heads-up display upgrade.

The administration's FY2006 budget requested $3,581.4 million in procurement and $497.8 million in RDT&E funds for F/A-18 aircraft. Congressional action on this request is summarized in the table below. Adjustments to the request are highlighted with bold font.


Table 3. F/A-18E/F/G FY2006 Budget
($ millions)
Procurement RDT&E
$ # $
Request E/F FY06
E/F APCY
G FY06
G APCY
Mods 2,736.2
86.1
310.2
26.5
422.4 38
-
4
-
- F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 88.7
409.0
Authorization Conference H.R. 1815 (109-360) E/F FY06
E/F APCY
G FY06
G APCY
Mods 2,739.4
86.1
310.2
26.5
422.4 38
-
4
-
- F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 88.7
409.0
Appropriation Conference H.R. 2863 (109-359) E/F FY06
E/F APCY
G FY06
G APCY
Mods 2,740.2
86.1
310.2
26.5
433.4 38
-
4
-
- F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 87.4
400.0



Both authorizers and appropriators added procurement funding for F/A-18E/F Shared reconnaissance pods (SHARP), and appropriators added funds for spare engines and modules. Appropriators cut EA-18G R&D funds due to program support costs, and reduced F/A-18 R&D funding due to program execution.

The administration's FY2005 budget requested $3,406 million in F/A-18 procurement funds and $134 million in F/A-18 RDT&E. Congressional action on this request is summarized in the table below. Adjustments to the request are highlighted with bold font.



Table 4. F/A-18E/F/G FY2005 Budget
($ millions) Procurement RDT&E
$ # $
Request E/F FY05
APCY
EA-18G APCY
Mods 2,907.5
78.3
8.2
412.5 42 F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 134.5
357.5
Authorization Conference H.R. 4200 (H.Rept. 108-767) E/F FY05
APCY
EA-18G APCY
Mods 2,907.5
78.3
0.0
412.5 42 F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 134.5
357.5
Appropriation Conference H.R. 4613 (H.Rept. 108-553) E/F FY05
APCY
EA-18G APCY
Mods 2,907.5
78.3
8.2
420.9 42 F/A-18 Squadrons
EA-18G 138.2
357.5

House appropriators (H.Rept. 108-553, H.R. 4613) recommended eliminating EA-18G advance procurement because it believed the program to be overly aggressive and wanted the Navy to conduct more testing before acquisition (p.145). Increases to F/A-18 procurement (modifications) funded improvements to safety and targeting capabilities.25 Increases to the F/A-18's RDT&E account funded improved displays, data recorders, and information systems.26


Footnotes:
1. For more information on the EA-6B and electronic warfare, see CRS Report RL30639, Electronic Warfare: EA-6B Aircraft Modernization and Related Issues for Congress, by Christopher Bolkcom.

2. The Navy The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program, currently projected by Defense Department officials to produce up to 680 new fighter/attack planes for the Navy and Marine Corps, could yield operational aircraft in 2012 that will complement and eventually replace the F/A-18E/F.

3. The December 31, 2005 SAR estimates the F/A-18E/F mission radii for fighter escort and interdiction missions to be 439nm and 468nm respectively.

4. U.S. General Accounting Office, Navy Aviation: F/A-18E/F Will Provide Marginal Operational Improvement at High Cost, GAO/NSIAD-96-98, June 1996.

5. David Fulghum, "Cool, Small, Cheap Defines Flexible Next Generation Radar," Aviation Week & Space Technology, Sept. 11, 2000, p. 61.

6. Report of the Defense Science Board Task Force on Future DOD Airborne High Frequency Radar Needs/Resources, April 2001, Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Technology.

7. Lorenzo Cortes, "AESA Allows Super Hornet to Perform Tactical Electronic Attack, Navy Official Says," Defense Daily, Dec. 4, 2002 and "New Sensors Grab Extra Combat Roles," Aviation Week & Space Technology, Sept. 11, 2000.

8. "The F/A-18 & EA-18G." (Briefing) F/A-18 Deputy Program Manager for System Development. PEOTACAIR. July 19, 2005. Stephen Trimble, "Super Hornet Crews Ponder New Missions as Block II Upgrades Arrive," Aerospace Daily, Sept. 9, 2003 and Christopher Castelli, "Navy to Integrate JDAM HART with Super Hornet's AESA Radar," Inside the Navy, Oct. 13, 2003.

9. Key elements of the TAI plan is to operate a smaller number of strike fighters, reduce the planned procurement of strike fighters, increase the readiness of Navy aircraft, increase funding for modernization, and increase cross-assignment of Navy and Marine Corps fighter squadrons. For more information, see CRS Report RS21488, Navy-Marine Corps Tactical Air Integration Plan: Background and Issues for Congress, by Christopher Bolkcom and Ronald O'Rourke.

10. "Boeing's Super Hornet Cleared for International Sales," Defense Daily, Aug. 7, 2001.

11. Michael Sirak, "Malaysia Seeks Super Hornets to Augment F/A-18 Fleet," Jane's Defence Weekly, Sept. 18, 2002.

12. For more information, see CRS Report RS22148, Combat Aircraft Sales to South Asia: Potential Implications, by Christopher Bolkcom, Richard F. Grimmett, and K. Alan Kronstadt.

13. For more information on arms sales, see CRS Report RS20757 and CRS Report RL31529 (out of print; for copies, contact author at 7-2577).

14. Ron Laurenzo, "Boeing Hunts Abroad for Super Hornet Sales," Defense Today, Aug. 11, 2004 and Jason Ma, "Navy, Boeing Pitch Super Hornet for Potential International Sales," Inside the Navy, Oct. 4, 2004.

15. Robert Wall, "Navy Commitment," Aviation Week & Space Technology, Jan. 5, 2004.

16. Tony Capaccio, "Boeing Super Hornet, New U.S. Fighter, Begins Patrols Over Iraq," Bloomberg.com, Oct. 31, 2002.

17. "Super Hornets Make Combat Debut," Defense Daily, Nov. 8, 2002, p. 4.

18. "Navy Issues Decision on Super Hornet Basing," Immediate Release, No. 663-03. Department of the Navy, Sept. 10, 2003.

19. Kate Wiltrout, "Navy Says It Will Re-Examine Four Alternate Sites For OLF," Norfolk Virginian-Pilot, June 25, 2005.

20. For more information on the EA-6B and electronic warfare, see CRS Report RL30639, Electronic Warfare: EA-6B Aircraft Modernization and Related Issues for Congress, by Christopher Bolkcom.

21. Robert Wall, "U.S. Marines Realize Time Is Short to Draft EA-6B Follow-on Plan," Aviation Week & Space Technology, Jan. 3, 2005.

22. "Navy Awards Boeing $9.6 Billion in Super Hornet and EA-18G Contracts," Press Release, The Boeing Company, St. Louis, Dec. 29, 2003.

23. Dave Ahearn, "Wynne Weighs Overlap of F/A-18, JSF Carrier Versions," Defense Today, Dec. 16, 2004.

24. S. 2766 (109-254), May 9, 2006. p.111.

25. H.R. 4613 (H.Rept. 108-553) p. 174.

26. Ibid. p. 305.


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#4387 Mensagem por GDA_Fear » Dom Jul 05, 2009 7:33 pm

Luís Henrique escreveu:
Santiago escreveu: Putz Luis! Não é paranóia excessiva não?

Vamos supor que ambos transfiram os códigos do FBW. E ai? Não participamos da sua concepção e duvido que possamos modificar algo significativo ou talvez nada.

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Concordo que é paranóia excessiva. :mrgreen:
Mas de uma forma ou de outra ficamos na mão deles.

É claro que em qualquer caso ficaremos na mão do fornecedor. Para 36 caças, não teremos 100% de nacionalização.
Mas se entrarmos em guerra contra os franceses, e tivermos acesso total ao caça Rafale, poderemos utiliza-lo contra eles.
[Se entrarmos em guerra contra os americanos, em tese, eles poderiam acessar partes do código a qual não temos acesso e poderiam derrubar a nossa aeronave, ou coloca-la fora de operação.

Nas partes de código que não temos acesso, pode ter instruções que podem ser acessadas remotamente. Entendeu?
Continuo a paranóia hein :lol: :lol: entrar em Guerra com os EUA ou a França??!! :shock: :shock: instruções acessadas remotamente??!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:




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#4388 Mensagem por PRick » Dom Jul 05, 2009 7:42 pm

GDA_Fear escreveu:Vai em Azul
PRick escreveu:
O preço menor era do ano fiscal de 2003, o F-18E Block I, o preço para o ano fiscal de 2006, do F-18E BlockII era de 95 milhões. Um fato lógico, os preços não caem, por conta da inflação, o normal é o preço unitário sempre subir.

O preço do F-18G era estimado em 100 milhões, o contrato com a Austrália cada F-18F, com o básico, quer dizer, documentos, ferramental, alguns itens, saiu por 129 a unidade. Assim, falar em 54 milhões não é preço real, e sim, dentro do padrão Pentagono, que dizer, nesse valor nem as turbinas estão incluídas!! :lol: :lol:

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#4389 Mensagem por GDA_Fear » Dom Jul 05, 2009 7:48 pm

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O preço menor era do ano fiscal de 2003, o F-18E Block I, o preço para o ano fiscal de 2006, do F-18E BlockII era de 95 milhões. Um fato lógico, os preços não caem, por conta da inflação, o normal é o preço unitário sempre subir.

O preço do F-18G era estimado em 100 milhões, o contrato com a Austrália cada F-18F, com o básico, quer dizer, documentos, ferramental, alguns itens, saiu por 129 a unidade. Assim, falar em 54 milhões não é preço real, e sim, dentro do padrão Pentagono, que dizer, nesse valor nem as turbinas estão incluídas!! :lol: :lol:
Esse de 54 milhões era para a USNavy.




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#4390 Mensagem por Carlos Mathias » Dom Jul 05, 2009 10:39 pm

Pô, vem cá, falando bem sério, quem é que acredita em F-18E por essa merreca? :lol:




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Ele é pelado...




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#4392 Mensagem por Sintra » Seg Jul 06, 2009 6:21 am

GDA_Fear escreveu:Ele é pelado...

Vamos tornar as coisas mais claras, vocês os dois (GDA Fear e Prick) estão a falar de coisas diferentes, e isso inclusivamente está descrito nos documentos que ambos colocaram no forúm.

O Prick colocou documentação oficial (e correcta) de quanto é(ra) o "Program Unit Acquisition Cost", o GDA Fear está a falar em "Fly Away Unit Cost". Ambos estão correctos, mas estão a falar de coisas completamente diferentes...
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#4393 Mensagem por Sávio Ricardo » Seg Jul 06, 2009 8:45 am

Luís Henrique escreveu:
Santiago escreveu: Putz Luis! Não é paranóia excessiva não?

Vamos supor que ambos transfiram os códigos do FBW. E ai? Não participamos da sua concepção e duvido que possamos modificar algo significativo ou talvez nada.

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Concordo que é paranóia excessiva. :mrgreen:
Mas de uma forma ou de outra ficamos na mão deles.

É claro que em qualquer caso ficaremos na mão do fornecedor. Para 36 caças, não teremos 100% de nacionalização.
Mas se entrarmos em guerra contra os franceses, e tivermos acesso total ao caça Rafale, poderemos utiliza-lo contra eles.
[Se entrarmos em guerra contra os americanos, em tese, eles poderiam acessar partes do código a qual não temos acesso e poderiam derrubar a nossa aeronave, ou coloca-la fora de operação.

Nas partes de código que não temos acesso, pode ter instruções que podem ser acessadas remotamente. Entendeu?
Parece ser mais ou menos isso Luis...

Masss.... :lol: :lol: Guerra contra os Americanos e Françoas é meio complicado... se chegar a acontecer nossos futuros Rafas vão nem conseguir decolar :twisted:




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#4394 Mensagem por Carlos Mathias » Seg Jul 06, 2009 10:08 am

Pode não ser guerra diretamente contra eles, mas eles ajudando uma democracia sul-americana, vítima do império brasileiro e das nossas ADDM e blá, blá, blá. Tuido isso provavelmente no mar, mais precisamente em cima do pré-sal.
Veja na END as hipóteses de emprego e veja se nossos vizinhos são a maior preocupação. Depois veja se entendemos o porque da tara por acesso livre a todos os códigos fontes e etc.
Contra nossos vizinhos, nada disso é necessário, aliás com o que temos hoje já damos conta, então prá que tudo isso?




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#4395 Mensagem por gaitero » Seg Jul 06, 2009 10:22 am

GDA_Fear escreveu:
Luís Henrique escreveu: Concordo que é paranóia excessiva. :mrgreen:
Mas de uma forma ou de outra ficamos na mão deles.

É claro que em qualquer caso ficaremos na mão do fornecedor. Para 36 caças, não teremos 100% de nacionalização.
Mas se entrarmos em guerra contra os franceses, e tivermos acesso total ao caça Rafale, poderemos utiliza-lo contra eles.
[Se entrarmos em guerra contra os americanos, em tese, eles poderiam acessar partes do código a qual não temos acesso e poderiam derrubar a nossa aeronave, ou coloca-la fora de operação.

Nas partes de código que não temos acesso, pode ter instruções que podem ser acessadas remotamente. Entendeu?
Continuo a paranóia hein :lol: :lol: entrar em Guerra com os EUA ou a França??!! :shock: :shock: instruções acessadas remotamente??!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
Não é paranóia. É fato....

Entregar toda nossa defesa para os EUA e acreditar que os EUA vão transferir toda sua tecnologia... Isto sim é paranóia....




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