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---------------------------------------PRick escreveu:Mas isso o Kwait comprava antes de ser ocupado, oops, libertado pelos EUA, agora, a situação é diferente, porque estão ocupados, oops, protegidos pelas tropas dos EUA.Santiago escreveu: Mas não é de hoje que os franceses insistem. Afinal ele operaram o Mirage F-1 e a França participu da Guerra do Golfo ativamente.
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HummmAlbertoRJ escreveu:Sim, e deu o mesmo resultado do nosso: Rafale.Santiago escreveu: Lá vazaram o resultado do relatório também?
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Rafale for Switzerland, the Dassault program
Avia News , June 23
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Although not a favorite in early trials, the F3 + version has demonstrated its excellent capabilities and has perfectly fulfilled the specifications. In addition, Dassault people were able to conduct a remarkable campaign both on technical and interpersonal ground. The Rafale has today many assets that could very well help it to win the Swiss market!
Boeing predicts new prospects for US trainers, Swiss fighters
Flight International , June 27
A top Boeing executive predicts an all-new aircraft design will replace the Northrop T-38 Talon and that the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet will re-enter a competition in Switzerland for a fighter contract.[...]
Meanwhile, Chadwick also sought to revive hopes for the Super Hornet sales campaign in Switzerland. Boeing withdrew the fighter from the Swiss competition two years ago, ceding the race to the Dassault Rafale and Saab Gripen.
A public referendum now is expected to decide the future for the tender to replace Switzerland's F/A-18C/D Hornets.
"We believe they will establish a new requirement [after the referendum]," Chadwick says, "that will allow us to re-enter the competition."
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From:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ers-swiss.html
Fighter Competition Timelines In Doubt
Jan 11, 2010
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... In%20Doubt
By Robert Wall
Paris
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Timing on the Swiss program is also up in the air, although the aircraft evaluation is complete. A first draft of the nation’s strategic defense review is due in the spring; however, Defense Minister Ueli Maurer recommends that the program to partially replace 54 F-5s be postponed so that the money can be spent on more urgent defense needs. Maurer reiterated the call to hold off on the fighter plan in his year-end review.
The government so far has been reluctant to embrace Maurer’s view. Another unknown is whether a decision on the project comes in the spring, once the strategic review’s first draft is finished, or whether politicians will wait until the fall when the final document is ready, says a Swiss defense ministry official. A type selection will be announced only after a project go-ahead is given.
Operational effectiveness in air-to-air combat is the dominant criterion in Switzerland’s evaluation, but a number of other elements are playing roles. For example, industrial participation and military cooperation constitute 25% of the overall grade.
Noise footprint also will be a factor and could be critical due to Switzerland’s constrained airspace. The government scrutinized all three candidates—the Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen and Dassault Rafale—during their trials. The results were mixed, but clearly all would be louder than the F-5.
The Typhoon—flying at an altitude of 305 meters (1,000 ft.) with afterburner—had the highest peak noise level (114 dB.), followed by the Rafale and Gripen; the F-5 benchmark is 106 dB., according to a Swiss government document. The order among the three candidates was the same when operating at maximum power, with Typhoon at 110 dB., Rafale at 108 dB. and Gripen at 105 dB. A 10-dB. difference represents a doubling of the noise footprint, the Swiss say.
However, peak noise is only one part of the evaluation process. The Swiss documents indicate that noise footprint varied considerably. In light configuration, with the aircraft accelerating from maximum speed to afterburner, the Rafale’s nose-on footprint was the largest. How the variance in performance between different mission profiles will be assessed is not clear.
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O Resultado final pode não dar Rafale, é claro. E aqui também não.Santiago escreveu:HummmAlbertoRJ escreveu: Sim, e deu o mesmo resultado do nosso: Rafale.
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Acho que é um pouco menos...
Rafale for Switzerland, the Dassault program
Avia News , June 23
(...)
Although not a favorite in early trials, the F3 + version has demonstrated its excellent capabilities and has perfectly fulfilled the specifications. In addition, Dassault people were able to conduct a remarkable campaign both on technical and interpersonal ground. The Rafale has today many assets that could very well help it to win the Swiss market!Boeing predicts new prospects for US trainers, Swiss fighters
Flight International , June 27
A top Boeing executive predicts an all-new aircraft design will replace the Northrop T-38 Talon and that the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet will re-enter a competition in Switzerland for a fighter contract.[...]
Meanwhile, Chadwick also sought to revive hopes for the Super Hornet sales campaign in Switzerland. Boeing withdrew the fighter from the Swiss competition two years ago, ceding the race to the Dassault Rafale and Saab Gripen.
A public referendum now is expected to decide the future for the tender to replace Switzerland's F/A-18C/D Hornets.
"We believe they will establish a new requirement [after the referendum]," Chadwick says, "that will allow us to re-enter the competition."
[...]
From:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ers-swiss.htmlFighter Competition Timelines In Doubt
Jan 11, 2010
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... In%20Doubt
By Robert Wall
Paris
(...)
Timing on the Swiss program is also up in the air, although the aircraft evaluation is complete. A first draft of the nation’s strategic defense review is due in the spring; however, Defense Minister Ueli Maurer recommends that the program to partially replace 54 F-5s be postponed so that the money can be spent on more urgent defense needs. Maurer reiterated the call to hold off on the fighter plan in his year-end review.
The government so far has been reluctant to embrace Maurer’s view. Another unknown is whether a decision on the project comes in the spring, once the strategic review’s first draft is finished, or whether politicians will wait until the fall when the final document is ready, says a Swiss defense ministry official. A type selection will be announced only after a project go-ahead is given.
Operational effectiveness in air-to-air combat is the dominant criterion in Switzerland’s evaluation, but a number of other elements are playing roles. For example, industrial participation and military cooperation constitute 25% of the overall grade.
Noise footprint also will be a factor and could be critical due to Switzerland’s constrained airspace. The government scrutinized all three candidates—the Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen and Dassault Rafale—during their trials. The results were mixed, but clearly all would be louder than the F-5.
The Typhoon—flying at an altitude of 305 meters (1,000 ft.) with afterburner—had the highest peak noise level (114 dB.), followed by the Rafale and Gripen; the F-5 benchmark is 106 dB., according to a Swiss government document. The order among the three candidates was the same when operating at maximum power, with Typhoon at 110 dB., Rafale at 108 dB. and Gripen at 105 dB. A 10-dB. difference represents a doubling of the noise footprint, the Swiss say.
However, peak noise is only one part of the evaluation process. The Swiss documents indicate that noise footprint varied considerably. In light configuration, with the aircraft accelerating from maximum speed to afterburner, the Rafale’s nose-on footprint was the largest. How the variance in performance between different mission profiles will be assessed is not clear.
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Isso foi até a primeira guerra do golfo, agora, na segunda, quem condenou? Quem entregou seu território para ser base de uma invasão não autorizada pela ONU? Quem tem bases e soldados dos EUA em seu território?Santiago escreveu:
Pelo que me consta os franceses tb participaram da liberação do Kwait.
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Seriamente toda a gente pode fazer um site bonito. Depois, se você quiser vender os rumores, eles devem ser plausível, mas plausível não significa verdade.Santiago escreveu:Esses rumores sobre as tentativas de vendas da Dassault aos ricos países produtores de petróleo do Golfo (Kuwait, EAU, Omã, Arábia Saudita, etc) e de outras paragens (Libia) não é novidade para ninguém. Há farta documentação em diversas outras fontes inclusive AFP.Danielo escreveu:Você só vê a primeira linha.
Todas essas coisas nunca foram confirmadas por outra fonte, estes são apenas rumores. Mas você é livre para acreditar e comprar essas notícias .. é o que eles querem.
Mas você nunca vai encontrar um site ou uma revista renomeada, que cita Tactical Report como uma fonte credível de informação.
Mas é bom para os fóruns
Você poderia citar alguma "episódio" que desabone o provedor de notícias militares, especializada em Oriente Médio com sede no Libano, Tactical Report? O portal é bem elaborado e as notícias são pagas, a exemplo do Janes, Stratfor, Defense-Aerospace, DID, etc.
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