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gabriel219 escreveu:Mas o Penguin, caso o F-X2 tenha um vencedor, não receberemos tecnologia de uma única empresa? Porque seria mais arriscado ir em uma única empresa e seria melhor conseguir as tecnologias pelo F-X2, mesmo que no F-X2 fosse apenas uma única empresa vencedora?

Agora fiquei confuso.

India Pushes Russia For Bigger Slice Of Fighter Program
Nov. 26, 2013 - 11:18AM | By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI
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NEW DELHI — India is expressing displeasure with Russia over New Delhi’s low level of participation in the joint development of the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA), despite being an equal financial partner in the project and placing an order of more than US $30 billion for the new planes.

Indian Defence Minister A.K. Antony told his counterpart in Moscow during a visit this month that India’s share of the work should be 50 percent in development and production of the FGFA, which is still in the prototype stage, MoD sources said.

The MoD’s official news release referred to India’s wish for active involvement in FGFA. “Referring to FGFA and Multi-role Transport Aircraft (MTA) program, Defence Minister A.K. Antony said the two projects are significant because they symbolize going past the relationship of buyer-seller, and both sides must give their best at all phases of the execution of these two projects: design, development and production.”

India’s share of the FGFA development is only 15 percent. A diplomat from the Russian Embassy here said India’s share is limited by India’s capabilities in military aircraft research and industrial infrastructure. This level of participation will increase as the FGFA develops, the diplomat said.

India and Russia agreed in 2007 to jointly develop the FGFA for use by both air forces. In December 2010, Rosoboronexport, India’s state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics and Russian aircraft-maker Sukhoi signed a preliminary design development contract worth $295 million. The final design, research and joint development contract, estimated to be more than $10 billion, has yet to be signed.

The delay in signing the final research-and-development contract is unlikely to slow down the program, which has four prototypes flying, the Russian diplomat said.

The Indian MoD source, however, said the delay in signing the contract has pushed the project into the next administration after the country’s general elections in early 2014. The source said a new government would honor all international commitments, but much would depend on India’s share of the work.

The Indian Air Force expects to order more than 200 of the twin-engine aircraft, which is based on Sukhoi’s T-50 PAK FA and will incorporate Indian Air Force specifications.

An Air Force official said the FGFA prototype has flown in Siberia this year, but there is very little involvement by the Indian Air Force in design and development. The 30-ton stealthy FGFA would be a swing-role fighter jet with advanced avionics, smart weapons and high-end mission computers.

The Air Force official said the date of entrance of the final version of FGFA has been postponed from 2020 to beyond 2022. The Indians were supposed to receive three variants of the aircraft in 2014, 2017 and 2019, with the final version entering service in 2020.

“India should not miss the opportunity of getting involved in a high-technology project like the FGFA,” said Nitin Mehta, an analyst based here.

Press Trust of India | New Delhi November 18, 2013 Last Updated at 19:17 IST
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=20560
India, Russia discuss issues related to aircraft, tank deals

(...) "Referring to FGFA and Multi-role Transport Aircraft (MTA) programme, Defence Minister A K Antony said the two projects are significant because they symbolise going-past the relationship of buyer-seller and both sides must give their best at all phases of the execution of these two projects - design, development and production," a Defence Ministry release from Moscow said.

India is not happy with its share of work in the FGFA project. Though it is investing 50 per cent of the cost of the multi-billion dollar programme, its work share in research and development and other aspects of the programme at the moment is only around 15 per cent.

The two sides are also working towards developing a multi-role transport aircraft.

During the meeting of the Inter Governmental Commission on Military and Technical Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC) between Antony and his Russian counterpart Sergey Shoigu, the two countries also reviewed issues relating to T-90 tanks and Sukhoi-30 fighter aircraft projects.

"On the issue of after sales support, both sides felt they should sign long-term maintenance support agreement," he said.

Penguin escreveu:

gabriel219 escreveu:Mas o Penguin, caso o F-X2 tenha um vencedor, não receberemos tecnologia de uma única empresa? Porque seria mais arriscado ir em uma única empresa e seria melhor conseguir as tecnologias pelo F-X2, mesmo que no F-X2 fosse apenas uma única empresa vencedora?

Agora fiquei confuso.

Para se chegar ao ponto atual, levou-se anos negociando e pressionando essas 3 empresas (Dassault, Saab e Boeing) e seus respectivos governos (França, Suécia e EUA). Houve uma competição entre os 3 para se chegar ao nível atual de ToT e offsets. Se jogarmos tudo fora e iniciarmos um novo FX2.1 com uma única empresa, vamos gastar anos negociando tudo de novo com essa nova empresa e essa nova empresa não terá concorrência ou "maiores incentivos" para forçá-la a fazer concessões e melhorar sua proposta.

Penguin escreveu: Para se chegar ao ponto atual, levou-se anos negociando e pressionando essas 3 empresas (Dassault, Saab e Boeing) e seus respectivos governos (França, Suécia e EUA). Houve uma competição entre os 3 para se chegar ao nível atual de ToT e offsets. Se jogarmos tudo fora e iniciarmos um novo FX2.1 com uma única empresa, vamos gastar anos negociando tudo de novo com essa nova empresa e essa nova empresa não terá concorrência ou "maiores incentivos" para forçá-la a fazer concessões e melhorar sua proposta.