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Re: Licitação de Helicópteros: Ataque e Transporte !!!

Enviado: Qui Jul 03, 2008 3:23 pm
por Carlos Lima
Sei não,

mas essa história do Cougar dever estar atrapalhando tudo...

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Re: Licitação de Helicópteros: Ataque e Transporte !!!

Enviado: Qui Jul 03, 2008 3:27 pm
por Immortal Horgh
Algo como a EADS tentar também empurrar o Tiger? Ou o valor da transação ter inviabilizado levar adiante os helis de ataque?



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Re: Licitação de Helicópteros: Ataque e Transporte !!!

Enviado: Qui Jul 03, 2008 3:56 pm
por Tigershark
Mais fácil eles estarem querendo o pacote completo,com o Tiger.

Re: Licitação de Helicópteros: Ataque e Transporte !!!

Enviado: Qui Jul 03, 2008 5:20 pm
por Alcantara
Tigershark escreveu:Estamos no aguardo de seu retorno, Mestre!

:wink:
Pois é... "Que a Força esteja com você!"

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Abraços!!! 8-]

Re: Licitação de Helicópteros: Ataque e Transporte !!!

Enviado: Qui Jul 03, 2008 5:52 pm
por Sideshow
Quando mesmo que a FAB vai comprar esse helicóptero de Ataque? Semana que vem?

Re: Licitação de Helicópteros: Ataque e Transporte !!!

Enviado: Qui Jul 03, 2008 8:47 pm
por Penguin
Brazil Signs $1B+ Production Deal for Cougar Helicopters
02-Jul-2008 19:36 EDT

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Bra ... #more-4959

In November 2007, “Brazil Embarking Upon F-X2 Fighter Program?” discussed both the revived fighter competition, and Brazil’s surprising 50% boost to its defense budget. Other programs mentioned in that article included Brazil’s selection of a medium transport helicopter and of an attack helicopter, with other programs to follow. After decades of neglect, Brazil is reconstituting both its armed forces, and a defense industry that once offered an array of competitive products on the global stage.

The medium transport helicopter competition featured 3 established players: AgustaWestland’s EH101 has found success in Britain, Europe, Japan, and even in America as the next Presidential helicopter. Eurocopter’s EC725 Cougar is an updated version of the popular AS332/532 Super Puma, and has been ordered in limited quantities by the French government for special forces and search and rescue roles. An up-to-date version of Russia’s widely used Mi-17 was the 3rd contender; like the Super Puma, Mi-8 and Mi-17 helicopters are already in wide use within Latin America.

In truth, however, Eurocopter always had an edge. The Brazilian Amy’s Aviacao do Exercito already uses the AS532/”HM-3” Super Puma, basing them in the Amazon at Manaus. Its Navy also uses Super Puma variants: AS332s and AS532s both serve in the Navy as the UH-14, flying from Brazil’s NAe Sao Paulo aircraft carrier and from the southeastern base of Sao Pedro da Aldeia in support of Brazil’s Marines. Now, Eurocopter’s offering will become Brazil’s medium-lift helicopter across all services…

Given media descriptions to date, the exact model of helicopter to be produced under this contract remains unclear. While Eurocopter itself uses the Cougar designation primarily for its new EC725 and its EC225 civilian version, Helibras’ pages refer to the AS532 as “Cougar” in line with Aerospatiale marketing efforts since 1990. Compared to the AS532, the EC725 Cougar uses more advanced modular design of the mechanical assemblies, more composite materials, state of the art avionics, and prognostic monitoring systems for key components. Jobim’s reference to a “Super Cougar” helicopter, and the need to invest hundreds of millions in the Minas Gerais plant, both point to the EC725 as the likely model under order. DID is seeking clarification.

Meanwhile, the deal itself offers important benefits to both parties. The Brazilians make some progress in the area of fleet standardization, though they will continue to operate helicopters from Bell and Sikorsky as well. They also strengthen a key defense industry relationship, and build national capability. Both moves will make a difference to their long term costs. Production of Cougar helicopters in Brazil also creates a local source for state firms like Petrobras who may need long-range helicopters for their offshore oil rigs, and with “para-public” agencies like law enforcement et. al.

On EADS Eurocopter’s end, the deal also offers important benefits. On the one hand, the deal doesn’t quite establish production in a dollar zone, which has been a goal of EADS leadership. Brazil’s Real has increased in value from about $0.35 in January 2004 to almost $0.65 in June 2008, and has even increased in value relative to the Euro, rising from EUR 0.28 to EUR 0.40 over that same period. With Brazil moving away from the US dollar as a reference currency in international trade, Brazilian production will have to compete on its own economic merits, rather than benefiting from currency externalities.

On the other hand, the global medium helicopter market is currently very tight, with demand outstripping supply. EH101 production is backlogged to the point that Britain moved to buy Denmark’s fleet rather than wait for factory deliveries of extra machines for the front lines. NHI/Eurocopter’s smaller NH90 is in an even worse state, and is backlogged by years; so is Boeing’s heavy-lift CH-47 Chinook. Sikorsky’s medium-heavy CH-53K will not be a realistic option before 2016 or so. Its smaller H-92 Superhawk has yet to be delivered, has not been ordered in a military transport version, and currently has just small one military customer in Canada. This leaves Russia’s Mi-17, which may have a large Saudi order to work on and attracts questions about its Rosoboronexport’s support and negotiating approaches, or Eurocopter.

An additional production line and firm orders for the EC725 offer Eurocopter additional capacity to meet global demand, while fulfilling their existing commitments. It also offers them a key reference customer beyond France, giving their new model credibility as a viable long-term choice for existing Puma and Super Puma operators.

EC725 Cougar
(click to view full)June 30/08: Brazil and France sign an agreement in principle for Eurocopter to build helicopters in the South American country via its subsidiary Helibras. Brazil’s Defense Minister Nelson Jobim reportedly said that the country intended to buy 50 “Super Cougar” models, the first of which would be delivered in 2010. The deal’s value is reportedly around $1.2 billion.

Under the agreement in principle, France would transfer technology and help Brazil expand the export capacity of its aviation industry by aiding the assembly of helicopter components such as engines and electrical systems. Eurocopter will also invest $300-400 million in Helibras Minas de Gerais plant in central Brazil, in order to prepare it for production.

Both countries are expected to also sign a broader strategic defense alliance in December, whose terms could have some influence on Brazil’s choice of fighter for its F-X2 competition.

Re: Licitação de Helicópteros: Ataque e Transporte !!!

Enviado: Sex Jul 04, 2008 1:13 am
por Vinicius Pimenta
Tigershark escreveu:Lógico!Disse vamos perguntar no sentido de convidar o Vinícius a fazê-lo,se ele assim bem entender é claro.
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Re: Licitação de Helicópteros: Ataque e Transporte !!!

Enviado: Sex Jul 04, 2008 1:19 am
por Skyway
Go get'em, tiger. :lol:

Re: Licitação de Helicópteros: Ataque e Transporte !!!

Enviado: Sex Jul 04, 2008 1:39 am
por ZeRo4
Po essa família Cougar/Puma é difícil de entender, hein?!

Re: Licitação de Helicópteros: Ataque e Transporte !!!

Enviado: Qua Jul 09, 2008 11:47 pm
por Thor
É, acho que nossos amigos russófilos já podem comemorar a aquisição do primeiro equipamento russo para a FAB...
O 2º/8º deverá receber o Mi-35 e será deslocado para a Amazônia. Tudo está caminhando para isso...

Abraços

Re: Licitação de Helicópteros: Ataque e Transporte !!!

Enviado: Qua Jul 09, 2008 11:50 pm
por Bolovo
Thor escreveu:É, acho que nossos amigos russófilos já podem comemorar a aquisição do primeiro equipamento russo para a FAB...
O 2º/8º deverá receber o Mi-35 e será deslocado para a Amazônia. Tudo está caminhando para isso...

Abraços
Credo. [002]

Re: Licitação de Helicópteros: Ataque e Transporte !!!

Enviado: Qua Jul 09, 2008 11:54 pm
por Vinicius Pimenta
Putz...

Re: Licitação de Helicópteros: Ataque e Transporte !!!

Enviado: Qua Jul 09, 2008 11:54 pm
por Thor
Bolovo escreveu:
Thor escreveu:É, acho que nossos amigos russófilos já podem comemorar a aquisição do primeiro equipamento russo para a FAB...
O 2º/8º deverá receber o Mi-35 e será deslocado para a Amazônia. Tudo está caminhando para isso...

Abraços
Credo. [002]
Tudo está caminhando pra isso...

Re: Licitação de Helicópteros: Ataque e Transporte !!!

Enviado: Qui Jul 10, 2008 12:59 am
por Sideshow
Terceiro Thor (Ural e Igla) :mrgreen:

Re: Licitação de Helicópteros: Ataque e Transporte !!!

Enviado: Qui Jul 10, 2008 11:10 am
por Skyway
Thor escreveu:
Bolovo escreveu: Credo. [002]
Tudo está caminhando pra isso...
Putz Thor....tomara que esse "tudo" tropece e passe a caminhar em outra direção...