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cabeça de martelo escreveu:Um submarino Português já albarrou-ou um navio mercante...

Acho temerária e perigosa essa tática portuguesa...porque vocês não fazem como as outras marinhas de guerra e equipam seus submarinos com tubos lança-torpedos?

thelmo rodrigues escreveu:Monsieur Prick,
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Une gamme complète d'OPV

L'autre grand segment sur lequel évolue CMN est celui des patrouilleurs du type Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPV). Ces unités hauturières, peu armées, doivent être capables de mener de longues missions de surveillance maritime et de répondre aux nouveaux besoins, comme la lutte contre la piraterie ou le narcotrafic. A cet effet, la famille des Vigilante a déjà été vendue à plusieurs pays. Le Brésil a notamment acquis deux unités du type Vigilante 400 CL54. Dérivés des patrouilleurs P400 de la Marine nationale, ces bateaux de 52 mètres et 500 tonnes, armés d'un canon de 40 mm et deux mitrailleuses de 12.7, sont réalisés en transfert de technologie par Industria Naval Do Ceara (INACE) aux chantiers Fortaleza. CMN apporte un soutien technique pour ce programme, en marge duquel il a signé en avril 2005 un accord de coopération avec Empresa Generencial de Projectos Navais, société en charge de la promotion et du développement de l'industrie brésilienne de défense. CMN a, d'ailleurs, vendu une licence à EMGEPRON pour la réalisation de quatre patrouilleurs supplémentaires. Malgré cette présence au Brésil et la vente, précédemment, de trois Vigilante à l'Uruguay et six autres au Pérou (classe Velarde - PR 72), le groupe français semble faire face à des débouchés limités en Amérique latine. L'Afrique et la région du Golfe restent donc, pour CMN, la région la plus prometteuse. Face aux besoins croissants de surveillance maritime (immigration, piraterie, drogue, contre-terrorisme), le constructeur espère bien vendre de nouveaux patrouilleurs de surveillance.


http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=108647

PRick escreveu:

thelmo rodrigues escreveu:Monsieur Prick,
Dá para traduzir?

Une gamme complète d'OPV

L'autre grand segment sur lequel évolue CMN est celui des patrouilleurs du type Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPV). Ces unités hauturières, peu armées, doivent être capables de mener de longues missions de surveillance maritime et de répondre aux nouveaux besoins, comme la lutte contre la piraterie ou le narcotrafic. A cet effet, la famille des Vigilante a déjà été vendue à plusieurs pays. Le Brésil a notamment acquis deux unités du type Vigilante 400 CL54. Dérivés des patrouilleurs P400 de la Marine nationale, ces bateaux de 52 mètres et 500 tonnes, armés d'un canon de 40 mm et deux mitrailleuses de 12.7, sont réalisés en transfert de technologie par Industria Naval Do Ceara (INACE) aux chantiers Fortaleza. CMN apporte un soutien technique pour ce programme, en marge duquel il a signé en avril 2005 un accord de coopération avec Empresa Generencial de Projectos Navais, société en charge de la promotion et du développement de l'industrie brésilienne de défense. CMN a, d'ailleurs, vendu une licence à EMGEPRON pour la réalisation de quatre patrouilleurs supplémentaires. Malgré cette présence au Brésil et la vente, précédemment, de trois Vigilante à l'Uruguay et six autres au Pérou (classe Velarde - PR 72), le groupe français semble faire face à des débouchés limités en Amérique latine. L'Afrique et la région du Golfe restent donc, pour CMN, la région la plus prometteuse. Face aux besoins croissants de surveillance maritime (immigration, piraterie, drogue, contre-terrorisme), le constructeur espère bien vendre de nouveaux patrouilleurs de surveillance.


http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=108647

Diz o que a gente já sabe, 02 Vigilantes sendo construídos, e licença comprada para mais 04 encomendas adicionais a serem contratadas.

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Russians want another $700 mn for Gorshkov

New Delhi: Just as India grudgingly prepared itself to re-negotiate with Russia on its demand to more than double the original cost for aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov, Moscow has conveyed another shocker to New Delhi that the deal will cost another $700 million.

This makes the deal worth $2.9 billion, which is almost thrice the original amount agreed upon when the agreement was first reached on January 29, 2004 by the NDA Government for $974 million. While India did expect cost-escalation to the tune of $350-400 million in the course of refurbishing the old ship, Russia stunned India by proposing a $1.2 billion hike in November 2007 that pushed up the cost to $2.2 billion.

It took several rounds of official-level talks and then the visit by Defence Minister A K Antony to Moscow for the UPA government to consider Russia’s request. Finally, the Cabinet Committee on Security gave its approval in December, around the time Russian President Dmitry Medvedev was visiting India, to renegotiate the Gorshkov deal in view of the cost escalation.

However, India has now been informed that on February 10, Medvedev signed on a final deal amount of $2.9 billion after “thorough analysis” of the refurbishing and trial costs. This was conveyed by a Russian team that’s here for talks on the deal. It’s headed by Deputy Minister in-charge of Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation Alexander Fomin and includes Nikolai Kalistratov, Director General of Sevmarsh Shipyard where the Gorshkov is being refurbished.

The revised offer has surprised the Indian delegation stunned as it was expecting to find some “middle ground” to the earlier proposal made by Moscow. India has already paid $500 million as per terms of the initial contract. The Russian delegation has said that regardless of the outcome of this round of negotiations, Sevmarsh wants an immediate payment of $190 million for the work that’s underway.

While this wavering by Russia could set off a diplomatic row, Moscow is firm that it will meet the delivery deadline of 2012. The first of the series of trials, the Russian team has said, would start next year. However, the trials alone have been estimated at $500 million which could increase depending on prevalent Oil costs.

Sources said Russia wants to ensure it bears absolute no cost in the entire deal. Admiral Gorshkov, which has not sailed much while in active service after it caught fire, needs to be completely refurbished. While India is building its own indigenous aircraft carrier, the progress has been slow and the date of completion has now been pushed to 2014-15.

2004-’09: A 5-YEAR RUSSIAN DRAMA

Jan 2004: Original deal signed by NDA government to purchase the carrier and complement of MiG 29 K fighters for $974 mn.

April 2007: Russia says cannot deliver on time, also need to increase price as shipbuilders underestimated amount of work required

Nov 2007: Russia says the Gorshkov will cost India another $1.2 bn

Feb 2008: A team headed by the Defence Secretary inspects the Gorshkov

May 2008: India makes an advance payment of $250 mn, pending price re-negotiations

June 2008: Russia puts extra workers on the job, says more advance payments needed

Dec 2008: CCS gives approval to re negotiate contract. By now, India has paid $500 mn extra

Jan-Feb 2009: Final round of negotiations on

Junker escreveu:Rússia: $2.9bi pelo Gorshkov! Não dá pra fazer um novo por esse preço? E os indianos só lavando ferro nessas 'parcerias' com os russos!

Russians want another $700 mn for Gorshkov

New Delhi: Just as India grudgingly prepared itself to re-negotiate with Russia on its demand to more than double the original cost for aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov, Moscow has conveyed another shocker to New Delhi that the deal will cost another $700 million.

This makes the deal worth $2.9 billion, which is almost thrice the original amount agreed upon when the agreement was first reached on January 29, 2004 by the NDA Government for $974 million. While India did expect cost-escalation to the tune of $350-400 million in the course of refurbishing the old ship, Russia stunned India by proposing a $1.2 billion hike in November 2007 that pushed up the cost to $2.2 billion.

It took several rounds of official-level talks and then the visit by Defence Minister A K Antony to Moscow for the UPA government to consider Russia’s request. Finally, the Cabinet Committee on Security gave its approval in December, around the time Russian President Dmitry Medvedev was visiting India, to renegotiate the Gorshkov deal in view of the cost escalation.

However, India has now been informed that on February 10, Medvedev signed on a final deal amount of $2.9 billion after “thorough analysis” of the refurbishing and trial costs. This was conveyed by a Russian team that’s here for talks on the deal. It’s headed by Deputy Minister in-charge of Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation Alexander Fomin and includes Nikolai Kalistratov, Director General of Sevmarsh Shipyard where the Gorshkov is being refurbished.

The revised offer has surprised the Indian delegation stunned as it was expecting to find some “middle ground” to the earlier proposal made by Moscow. India has already paid $500 million as per terms of the initial contract. The Russian delegation has said that regardless of the outcome of this round of negotiations, Sevmarsh wants an immediate payment of $190 million for the work that’s underway.

While this wavering by Russia could set off a diplomatic row, Moscow is firm that it will meet the delivery deadline of 2012. The first of the series of trials, the Russian team has said, would start next year. However, the trials alone have been estimated at $500 million which could increase depending on prevalent Oil costs.

Sources said Russia wants to ensure it bears absolute no cost in the entire deal. Admiral Gorshkov, which has not sailed much while in active service after it caught fire, needs to be completely refurbished. While India is building its own indigenous aircraft carrier, the progress has been slow and the date of completion has now been pushed to 2014-15.

2004-’09: A 5-YEAR RUSSIAN DRAMA

Jan 2004: Original deal signed by NDA government to purchase the carrier and complement of MiG 29 K fighters for $974 mn.

April 2007: Russia says cannot deliver on time, also need to increase price as shipbuilders underestimated amount of work required

Nov 2007: Russia says the Gorshkov will cost India another $1.2 bn

Feb 2008: A team headed by the Defence Secretary inspects the Gorshkov

May 2008: India makes an advance payment of $250 mn, pending price re-negotiations

June 2008: Russia puts extra workers on the job, says more advance payments needed

Dec 2008: CCS gives approval to re negotiate contract. By now, India has paid $500 mn extra

Jan-Feb 2009: Final round of negotiations on

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/russi ... v/425870/0

Corsário01 escreveu:Corveta Barroso já em testes de alto mar.

Almirante Maximiano a poucos dias de sua viagem ao Brasil.

cicloneprojekt escreveu:Os russos tiraram o couro dos indianos. Acho que depois dessa qq programa naval russo-indu será executado na ìndia e não mais em território russo. Os indianos deveriam ter feito como os chineses rebocaram o Varyag para a própria praia e ficaram trabalhando ele lá...