Super Hornet News

[Morcego]

o SU-35 não é um avião operacional, é um avião de shows aéreos, tira da lista que não é cavera.

O SU-35 só não é operacional por não ter encomendas, mas isso não tira o fato de que ele é superior ao SH.


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Como vc pode saber disto?

só tem os dados de operação do HORNET? como pode o avião que não sai do CHÃO (uma unidade que vai aos shows aéreos no estrangeiro) ser superior ao que cumpre missões de COMBATE DIARIAMENTE?

desculpe, mas até o AMX é superior ao SU-35.

Então vamos colocar aeronaves que estão em operação. O SU-30 indiano é superior ao SH


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PQ?

[Bourne]

Jacques eu vi, mas é mais um apêndice com peso, drag e eco para o radar inimigo.

Mais um compromisso.

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Soultrain,

Os sensores primarios na arena ar-ar ainda sao o radar e o indispensavel Mk1 Eyeball. Se o radar for AESA melhor. Some-se a isso ECM/EW, HMD, IRST, FLIR/TV, data link e sensor fusion e se tera um pacote bastante interessante.


O IRST no tanque me parece uma solucao pragmatica, de baixo custo de integracao. Sera necessario apenas adaptacao no software, nao havendo nehuma necessidade de modificacoes de cabeamento e na disposicao interna de equipamentos. Qd ficar obsoleto sera muito simples trocar por outro modelo (No caso do Rafale por exemplo, a troca dos sensores optronicos, atualmente considerados defasados, sera bem mais complicada e cara). Se a missao nao necessitar, simplesmente nao leva. Nao estranharia se essa solucao fosse adotada por outros cacas e outras FAs.

Qualquer Eurocanard sempre apresenta no minimo 01 tanque externo, seja qual for a missao. Qd se ejetaria um tanque supersonico, projetado para altos Gs? Isso nao deve ocorrer com muita frequencia. Nao me parece que isso ocorra em encontros BVR. Nos encontros WVR, com o adventos dos novos misseis IR muita coisa mudou, nao?

Esperar para ver...

[]'s

Só quero ver na hora do combate ar-ar, a doutrina é clara, deve-se descartar os tanques sub-alares e as cargas bélicas ar-terra. Vai sair caro o combate com os F-18E e estas gambiarras, o nome correto para estas coisas, parece o revo do Gripen.

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Isso é pura inveja

O Super Hornet é um caça perfeito

Menos, Born, menos. O Rafale só não é superior porque seu radar realmente é um ponto fraco, mas perto do Typhoon ou do SU-35 o SH é brincadeira de criança.


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É relativo o que se é melhor e pior.

O Super Hornet Block II tem as coisinhas mais modernas do mundo e está operacional, coisa que o Rafale e Typhoon não tem, ainda. O Super Hornet é uma realidade e os europeus Rafale e Typhoon um dia serão.

O Super Hornet vai dar um baita trabalho para qualquer caça, se é que não vai levar a melhor na maioria das situações.

No papel o Su-35BM ou Su-35-1 é melhor, mas tem que existir primeiro e ficar operacional.

[Morcego]

pra entrar na conversa, tem que ter encomenda do pais mãe.

[Sintra]

O Super Hornet Block II tem as coisinhas mais modernas do mundo e está operacional, coisa que o Rafale e Typhoon não tem, ainda. O Super Hornet é uma realidade e os europeus Rafale e Typhoon um dia serão.

O Super Hornet vai dar um baita trabalho para qualquer caça, se é que não vai levar a melhor na maioria das situações.

No papel o Su-35BM ou Su-35-1 é melhor no papel, mas tem que existir primeiro e ficar operacional.

Perdão, mas tanto o Rafale e o Typhoon já estão operacionais (os "Ursos" sobre o Atlântico Norte que o digam) e à já alguns anos.
E se é verdade que o SH já alinha um radar AESA e o JHCMS, também é verdade que os sistemas de detecção passiva dos Eurocanards são francamente superiores e o data link do Tiffie é melhor especificado... Aliás o grosso (3/4) dos Super Hornet da US Navy ainda voam com o mecânico AN/APG-73... Se formos a ver bem as coisas, o tipico SH está pior equipado que o tipico "Tiffie"...

[Penguin]

Os sensores primarios na arena ar-ar ainda sao o radar e o indispensavel Mk1 Eyeball. Se o radar for AESA melhor. Some-se a isso ECM/EW, HMD, IRST, FLIR/TV, data link e sensor fusion e se tera um pacote bastante interessante.



[]'s

Ainda estou para descobrir uma unica razão, exceptuando melhores capacidades LPI, que tragam qualquer vantagem a um radar AESA sobre uma convencional em qualquer modo ar-ar...
E acreditem que estou farto de ler sobre o assunto...

O que dizem os russos (ha algum tempo atras):

Among AESA advantages we should stress the following:

- ray electronically controlled;

- minimum distance between transmission unit, receiving set and radiating element – it leads to minimum losses during signal transmission and receipt;

- wide wave range originated by AESA – the factor which helps to integrate the system with other onboard transmitter tools, such as radio detectors, means of jamming support, data transmission units, etc.;

- higher security level.

Today only the US fifth generation fighters F-22A possess AESA – in late 2005 these aircraft were put into service. In the near future the same systems will be installed on the upgraded Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and F-16E/F Block 60s (by LockheedMartin). In a more distant future such radars will appear on the modernized European multipurpose fighters Eurofighter EF2000 Typhoon, Dassault Rafale and SAAB JAS 39 Gripen.
http://www.airfleet.ru/index.php?staid=1001033


Mais...

Advantages of AESA radars

AESA radars offer significant gains in reliability. By focusing power at specific directions, the pilot can gain more detection range providing "first detect" for air-to-air engagements, enabling first shoot/first kill by missiles fired Beyond Visual Range (BVR) mode. The longer standoff range also allows more time for persistent target observation, information sharing, tactical analysis and commander assessment before critical decisions are made.


AESA radars are emitting not only radar signals, but can also be employed for non traditional ISR, as well as electronic attack. For example, some of the elements can transmit and receive signals modulated with datalink waveform, transferring large amounts of data (such as live video or aerial imagery) over high bandwidth datalinks. Similar techniques can be used for electronic attack, to jam or deceive electronic systems operated by enemy forces.

The mechanical scanning systems used in previous systems were prone to failures, which grounded the entire aircraft. The new systems use solid-state technology and electronic scanning, to replace the mechanical systems but also introduce multiple elements to replace the single channel design of previous systems. Therefore, AESA radars can sustain certain degree of failure without grounding the aircraft or disabling the entire radar system. Furthermore, when designed with modular approach, AESA radars can be gradually upgraded, by replacing the solid-state receive/transmit modules based on Gallium-arsenide semiconductors technology with more advanced elements, thus significantly improving performance.


Mais ainda...

F/A-18 AESA - New Technology Revolutionizes Radar Benefits


(...) Testing has shown that the electronically scanned array is far superior to the mechanical scanning methodology of tracking. With mechanical tracking, the radar tracked while scanning, taking up a fair amount of time and reducing track accuracy.

The electronically scanned array uses a "search while track" methodology that significantly improves track quality of multiple targets with little or no degradation of the search capability of the radar.

The new array searches while it tracks the target on a need-to-track basis, giving a much better multiple target track capability. Although it still takes time to go through the volume with electronic scanning, once the target is found within that volume, the radar automatically schedules periodic look backs keeping track of the target at a much higher level of fidelity and frequency than a mechanically scanned antenna.

Furthermore, this AESA has a more powerful radar. Detection ranges will be significantly better than the current APG-73 radar, giving the pilot a tactical range advantage. This brand new radar shows more targets at a much higher fidelity, which provides the pilot more time to accomplish other tasks, as well as the ability to scan air-to-air and air-to-ground in a near simultaneous fashion (...)

(...) The Super Hornet has a reduced radar cross section technology (stealth) incorporated into its design. A traditional mechanically scanned array counters that capability and increases the effective radar cross section of the aircraft.

AESA allows the aircrew to enjoy the radar cross-section improvements on the aircraft without adversely impacting weapon system performance. Situated in the nose of the airplane, the AESA communicates through the fibre channel interface of the airplane, transmitting a huge amount of data through the advanced mission computers, into the new displays. All of this information flows freely between the radar, the Advanced Mission Computers (AMCs) and advanced displays via a fibre channel network within the airplane.

This is the first state-of-the-art fibre channel bus to be installed in a Navy tactical fighter and it represents another leap in capability and growth potential. This new architecture paves the way for tremendous AESA growth capabilities in Electronic Warfare and makes an AESA equipped Super Hornet a prime candidate for the Advanced Electronic Attack (AEA) aircraft. (...)

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=2498

[amx2000]

Terminamos ésta recorrida por Australia. Allí en nuevo gobierno piensa “reconsiderar” la adquisición de los 24 Super Hornet. Nuevamente sale a la luz la idea de ir por el F-22, de reducir la cantidad de F-35 e incluso algunos políticos apuestan al F-15E Strike Eagle..


Sera?



Fuente: http://www.zonamilitar.com.ar/foros/sho ... hp?t=11143

[soultrain]

WASHINGTON - Two U.S. Navy fighter jets plunged into the Persian Gulf Monday after a mid-air collision, but all three pilots were rescued safely, a top Navy commander said Monday.
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Navy Vice Adm. Kevin J. Cosgriff told reporters that the three pilots have been brought back to the USS Harry Truman, the aircraft carrier they were operating from, and are in good condition. Cosgriff, who is commander of the Navy's 5th Fleet, which is based in Bahrain, said the pilots were undergoing medical checks.

According to the Navy, teams from the Truman rescued the three aviators who ejected after their F/A-18 Super Hornets crashed during operations in the northern Gulf. The aircraft are from Carrier Air Wing Three, which is deployed to the Persian Gulf with the Truman Carrier Strike Group.

Cosgriff said it was a mid-air collision and that both aircraft were destroyed. Information released by the 5th Fleet said the two aircraft were providing "close air support from Iraq when they crashed."

One of the jets that crashed held two pilots, the other held just one.

The crash occurred at about 1 p.m. EST.

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On the Net:

US Navy: http://www.navy.mil

[soultrain]

ustralia to review Boeing F/A-18F Super Hornet purchase
By Emma Kelly

Australia's newly elected Labor government is to review the country's air power capability, in a controversial move that could see the previous administration's A$6.6 billion ($5.8 billion) order for 24 Boeing F/A-18F Super Hornets dumped, and the planned purchase of up to 100 Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighters also face a fresh assessment.

Australia became the first export customer for the Super Hornet (US Navy F/A-18F pictured below) last March, with its two-seat fighters scheduled for delivery from 2010 as replacements for the Royal Australian Air Force's General Dynamics F-111s. The aircraft are also intended to provide a stop-gap capability until the planned introduction of Australia's JSFs from 2013 at the earliest.


© US Navy

The F/A-18F deal drew considerable opposition at the time, with claims that the then-defence minister and now opposition leader Brendan Nelson rejected expert advice before advancing with the order. Critics say the procurement was also conducted without strategic justification or comparative analysis, and insist it would be cheaper to extend the F-111's service life, or replace the Super Hornet and JSF purchases with an order for Lockheed's F-22 Raptor. However, one industry source notes that US Congress has so far blocked Japan's requests to buy the F-22, and says development of an export variant could cost up to $1 billion.

Australia's new defence minister Joel Fitzgibbon will launch a thorough review of the previous government's military spending as soon as possible, with this to include an examination of the RAAF's air combat options. He has also committed to develop a new defence policy White Paper to provide strategic guidance for capability and force structure planning.

Boeing declines to comment on speculation about the Super Hornet deal's possible cancellation, or on reports citing a possible $300 million charge for terminating the deal. "We are under contract, and the Australian aircraft are already in the production process," the company adds.
Additional reporting by Craig Hoyle in London
DATE:04/01/08
SOURCE:Flight International

[Sintra]

Os sensores primarios na arena ar-ar ainda sao o radar e o indispensavel Mk1 Eyeball. Se o radar for AESA melhor. Some-se a isso ECM/EW, HMD, IRST, FLIR/TV, data link e sensor fusion e se tera um pacote bastante interessante.



[]'s

Ainda estou para descobrir uma unica razão, exceptuando melhores capacidades LPI, que tragam qualquer vantagem a um radar AESA sobre uma convencional em qualquer modo ar-ar...
E acreditem que estou farto de ler sobre o assunto...

O que dizem os russos (ha algum tempo atras):

Among AESA advantages we should stress the following:

- ray electronically controlled;

- minimum distance between transmission unit, receiving set and radiating element – it leads to minimum losses during signal transmission and receipt;

- wide wave range originated by AESA – the factor which helps to integrate the system with other onboard transmitter tools, such as radio detectors, means of jamming support, data transmission units, etc.;

- higher security level.

Today only the US fifth generation fighters F-22A possess AESA – in late 2005 these aircraft were put into service. In the near future the same systems will be installed on the upgraded Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and F-16E/F Block 60s (by LockheedMartin). In a more distant future such radars will appear on the modernized European multipurpose fighters Eurofighter EF2000 Typhoon, Dassault Rafale and SAAB JAS 39 Gripen.
http://www.airfleet.ru/index.php?staid=1001033


Mais...

Advantages of AESA radars

AESA radars offer significant gains in reliability. By focusing power at specific directions, the pilot can gain more detection range providing "first detect" for air-to-air engagements, enabling first shoot/first kill by missiles fired Beyond Visual Range (BVR) mode. The longer standoff range also allows more time for persistent target observation, information sharing, tactical analysis and commander assessment before critical decisions are made.


AESA radars are emitting not only radar signals, but can also be employed for non traditional ISR, as well as electronic attack. For example, some of the elements can transmit and receive signals modulated with datalink waveform, transferring large amounts of data (such as live video or aerial imagery) over high bandwidth datalinks. Similar techniques can be used for electronic attack, to jam or deceive electronic systems operated by enemy forces.

The mechanical scanning systems used in previous systems were prone to failures, which grounded the entire aircraft. The new systems use solid-state technology and electronic scanning, to replace the mechanical systems but also introduce multiple elements to replace the single channel design of previous systems. Therefore, AESA radars can sustain certain degree of failure without grounding the aircraft or disabling the entire radar system. Furthermore, when designed with modular approach, AESA radars can be gradually upgraded, by replacing the solid-state receive/transmit modules based on Gallium-arsenide semiconductors technology with more advanced elements, thus significantly improving performance.


Mais ainda...

F/A-18 AESA - New Technology Revolutionizes Radar Benefits


(...) Testing has shown that the electronically scanned array is far superior to the mechanical scanning methodology of tracking. With mechanical tracking, the radar tracked while scanning, taking up a fair amount of time and reducing track accuracy.

The electronically scanned array uses a "search while track" methodology that significantly improves track quality of multiple targets with little or no degradation of the search capability of the radar.

The new array searches while it tracks the target on a need-to-track basis, giving a much better multiple target track capability. Although it still takes time to go through the volume with electronic scanning, once the target is found within that volume, the radar automatically schedules periodic look backs keeping track of the target at a much higher level of fidelity and frequency than a mechanically scanned antenna.

Furthermore, this AESA has a more powerful radar. Detection ranges will be significantly better than the current APG-73 radar, giving the pilot a tactical range advantage. This brand new radar shows more targets at a much higher fidelity, which provides the pilot more time to accomplish other tasks, as well as the ability to scan air-to-air and air-to-ground in a near simultaneous fashion (...)

(...) The Super Hornet has a reduced radar cross section technology (stealth) incorporated into its design. A traditional mechanically scanned array counters that capability and increases the effective radar cross section of the aircraft.

AESA allows the aircrew to enjoy the radar cross-section improvements on the aircraft without adversely impacting weapon system performance. Situated in the nose of the airplane, the AESA communicates through the fibre channel interface of the airplane, transmitting a huge amount of data through the advanced mission computers, into the new displays. All of this information flows freely between the radar, the Advanced Mission Computers (AMCs) and advanced displays via a fibre channel network within the airplane.

This is the first state-of-the-art fibre channel bus to be installed in a Navy tactical fighter and it represents another leap in capability and growth potential. This new architecture paves the way for tremendous AESA growth capabilities in Electronic Warfare and makes an AESA equipped Super Hornet a prime candidate for the Advanced Electronic Attack (AEA) aircraft. (...)

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=2498

Olha, ainda não tinha visto esta, mas obrigado Jacques... Merece uma resposta em condições que infelizmente agora não tenho tempo de dar... E garanto que não mudei de opinião...

Duas perguntinhas (estou só na brincadeira ), qual é a unica diferença entre os aviões do VFA 213 e do resto da frota? E porque é que a primeira viagem do VFA 213 para a "cintura do camelo" foi adiada QUATRO vezes no ultimo ano e meio?

Abraços

[Penguin]

USN plans Super Hornet APG-79 AESA radar retrofit
The US Navy (USN) announced on 23 January that it is to retrofit 135 Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet combat aircraft with the Raytheon APG-79 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar. The initial contract is to supply 19 AESA systems, spares and maintenance, and is worth nearly USD55 million

[first posted to http://jdin.janes.com - 24 January 2008]

[Penguin]

Esta materia alem de comentar sobre a nova versao do SH, blockIII, menciona a sexta geracao.

Boeing Plans Sixth Generation Fighter With Block 3 Super Hornet

Jan 30, 2008
David A. Fulghum/Aerospace Daily & Defense Report

Boeing is touting an even newer version of its F/A-18E/F Super Hornet that, paired with an advanced sixth-generation fighter in the works at the company, would give customers what Boeing deems a better package of capabilities than Lockheed Martin's combination of the F-22 Raptor and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

The idea is that customers could buy 4.5 generation Super Hornets (perhaps 4.75 generation with the planned extra forward stealth and extra range of Block 3 aircraft) and then switch to a new, sixth generation faster than if they bought the fifth generation Joint Strike Fighter. To be available circa 2024, the sixth generation aircraft would feature a combat radius of more than 1,000 miles and stealth against a much wider spectrum of radars.

"The [Navy] C-version of the F-35 doesn't buy you a lot that the Super Hornet doesn't provide," says Bob Gower, Boeing's vice president for F/A-18 and EA-18G programs. "Our strategy is to create a compelling reason for the services to go to the next [sixth] generation platform. How do you bridge F/A-18E/F to get us there? We want to convince customers to stay with [Super Hornet] a few years longer -- by adding advanced capabilities and lowering price -- so that they can get to the sixth generation faster. If you go to JSF first, it's going to be a long time."

Another part of Boeing's argument is that the "Navy is comfortable with the Super Hornet against the highest [enemy] threat through 2024, with the [improved] capabilities we have in the flight plan," Gower says. "The ability to counter the threat gets you to about the point that [Boeing's] sixth generation is available."

It's part of Boeing's counterattack on Lockheed Martin's claim that the decreasing price of the F-22, which is now at $140 million each, will make it so attractive that Australia may reconsider its buy -- already being paid for -- of 24 two-seat F/A-18F Super Hornets. Until Australia's recent change in government, a number of U.S. officials said the government was considering a second lot of 24 Super Hornets and a six-plane squadron of EA-18G Growlers.

Boeing makes the argument that a sliding in-service date for the JSF is worrying both the Australians and the U.S. military.

"The U.S. Air Force and Navy are now talking a lot more about where they need to go with sixth generation to get beyond JSF," Gower says. "It could be unmanned, but I think you will see a combination of missions -- some manned, some unmanned."

For Boeing, the real discriminators are going to be extended range (1,000-1,500 miles), a small radar signature against low-frequency radars, expanded awareness through connections with the network, and the ability to carry a number of bombs internally.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... el=defense

[LEO]

Sexta-geração? Calma, mal a quinta-geração foi dominada (apenas pelos Estados Unidos) e já se especula sobre uma próxima. Essas aeronaves que aí estão e que ainda irão (ou poderão) surgir ainda tem muito potencial, o que não significa necessariamente uma nova linhagem de aeronaves.

[Morcego]

Sexta geração deve ser totalmente UAV/UCAV ou um misto, varios F-18 controlados por apenas um F-18, funcionando como PROTÓTIPO de um futuro sistema, SEI LA, ta com cara de PROPAGANDOVISK mesmo.

[Degan]

Perdão, mas tanto o Rafale e o Typhoon já estão operacionais (os "Ursos" sobre o Atlântico Norte que o digam) e à já alguns anos.

Si, ejercicios...pero en las guerras reales, solo hemos visto Súper Etendard.

E se é verdade que o SH já alinha um radar AESA e o JHCMS, também é verdade que os sistemas de detecção passiva dos Eurocanards são francamente superiores e o data link do Tiffie é melhor especificado...

Sintra, los Data Link del Rafale, EFA y F/A-18E/F son el mismo (MIDS), y no veo por qué los MAWS y RWR de los eurocanards serían mejor que los del SH

Aliás o grosso (3/4) dos Super Hornet da US Navy ainda voam com o mecânico AN/APG-73... Se formos a ver bem as coisas, o tipico SH está pior equipado que o tipico "Tiffie"...

Pero en estos momentos, el 100% de los erocanard no tienen AESA...

[Penguin]

Sexta-geração? Calma, mal a quinta-geração foi dominada (apenas pelos Estados Unidos) e já se especula sobre uma próxima. Essas aeronaves que aí estão e que ainda irão (ou poderão) surgir ainda tem muito potencial, o que não significa necessariamente uma nova linhagem de aeronaves.

Nao duvido que a Boeing e a LM estejam neste momento trabalhando conceitualmente nos sucessosres dos F-22 e F-35. Quem sabe daqui a uns 25 anos voe um prototipo do sucessor do Raptor. O bonde tecnologico anda...

Lembre que os estudos que culminaram no F-22 se iniciaram nos anos 70 e 80 e os requerimentos sao do inicio dos anos 80.