F-35 News

[Penguin]

Japan Judged F-35 To Have Best Performance
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... erformance

Dec 22, 2011

By Bradley Perrett

BEIJING — The Japanese defense ministry says the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning’s performance beat that of the other two contenders in the competition for Japan’s F-X fighter requirement.

The ministry says the F-35A also was the cheapest, because the competing Eurofighter Typhoon and Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet would have needed modification for flying-boom inflight refueling.

Japanese industry will be able to make 40% of the aircraft’s “300 components,” according to a Sankei newspaper report that does not say how the parts have been counted. The Yomiuri newspaper says the U.S. government is proposing that Japan build F-35 wings and tails, work that would otherwise go to Lockheed Martin and BAE Systems, respectively.

These reports indicate that Japan will, as expected, retreat from its previous policy of near-complete manufacturing of fighters. But it will retain considerable industrial capabilities, at least in structures. Lockheed Martin is also suggesting that Japan build a final assembly plant, which it is likely to do.

The larger the local industrial involvement in building Japanese F-35s, the greater the likelihood that the country will keep building them after the initial requirement for 42 is filled. Although recent news reports say Japan needs 40-50 F-35s, the defense ministry confirms it will buy 42, the number that industry executives had been expecting. Before the F-X selection was made, Japanese manufacturers urged that the aircraft be built in-country until the late 2020s to replace some of its Boeing F-15Js.

The defense ministry says it gave each contender a score in four areas. A maximum of 50 points was available for aircraft performance, 22.5 for cost, 22.5 for domestic industrial participation and 5 for after-sales support.

It does not explain why the F-35 led in the assessment of performance, except that the result was based on operations research, but the defense ministry adds that it was also judged as having the best after-sales support. The stealth fighter appears to have lagged on domestic industrial participation — because the U.S. government is not expected to allow enough technology transfer to build all of it. Eurofighter agreed to 95% “information-sharing” and Boeing to 70-80%, the Sankei says, without explanation. The information-sharing offer for the F-35 was extremely low by comparison, the paper says.

Eurofighter officials had previously said Japan could build as much of the Typhoon as they wanted. Eurofighter’s offer particularly appealed to some members of the Diet, according to a newspaper from the Nagoya area, where Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has its aerospace works. Several of them argued in a meeting of the Diet defense committee that Japan should choose the Typhoon for the F-X requirement, to replace F-4EJ Kai Phantoms, and then switch to the F-35.

The defense ministry makes no mention of assigning a value to the risk of buying each aircraft, as its counterparts in other countries often do, especially when considering an order for equipment that is still under development. After repeated delays, the F-35 is now due to achieve initial operational capability with the U.S. Air Force in 2018, with its F-35A version.

The first four F-35As for Japan are to be ordered in the fiscal year that begins on April 1, 2012, for delivery in 2016. The defense ministry expects them to cost ¥9.9 billion ($127 million) each, not including the cost of running them. That leaves a lot of room for savings when compared with the ¥15 billion unit cost that Defense Minister Yasuo Ichikawa cited in November for further production of the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries F-2 strike fighter.

The defense ministry projects that Japan will spend ¥1.6 trillion in buying all 42 F-35As and operating them for 20 years.

[PRick]

Oras não estou vendo as manchetes, F-18E e Typhoon perdem mais uma concorrência!!! Depois dizem que os franceses estavam errados em não participar dessa palhaçada, brincadeira de escolher caças.

A verdade é que o Japão está atado aos EUA, e vão para o mesmo buraco, , vão ter o mesmo destino deles. Que parece ser o caso do F-35, um programa desastroso do princípio ao fim, com erros começando na megalomania e terminando no faz de conta dos preços absurdos.

Estava vendo lá nos fóruns ingleses, lá eles dizem a verdade sobre o F-35, se tudo aquilo que eles disseram for verdade, os F-35s que forem fabricados agora terão que ser refitados por inteiro. Entre outras coisas os sistemas de cabine terão que ser inteiramente modificados para que o caça seja de fato operacional, caso contrário será inútil num TO moderno.

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A parte do retrofit de célula estou sabendo. Qual o problema dos sistemas de cabine? Esta informação é nova pra mim.

Aquela trapalhada de acabar com o HUD e o novo HMD está dando um confusão danada, na verdade o HMD é um trambolho que atrapalha e confundi o piloto na maioria das vezes, só é útil mesmo na hora do combate. Além disso, dizem que o modo noturno simplesmente não está funcionando, de um modo geral dizem que boa parte do layout imaginado para a interface homem máquina na cabine terá que ser revisto. Resultado o piloto fica mais para astronauta, sobrecarregado e com uma carga de stress tremenda.

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[Carlos Lima]

Japan Judged F-35 To Have Best Performance
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... erformance

Dec 22, 2011

By Bradley Perrett

BEIJING — The Japanese defense ministry says the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning’s performance beat that of the other two contenders in the competition for Japan’s F-X fighter requirement.

The ministry says the F-35A also was the cheapest, because the competing Eurofighter Typhoon and Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet would have needed modification for flying-boom inflight refueling.

Japanese industry will be able to make 40% of the aircraft’s “300 components,” according to a Sankei newspaper report that does not say how the parts have been counted. The Yomiuri newspaper says the U.S. government is proposing that Japan build F-35 wings and tails, work that would otherwise go to Lockheed Martin and BAE Systems, respectively.

These reports indicate that Japan will, as expected, retreat from its previous policy of near-complete manufacturing of fighters. But it will retain considerable industrial capabilities, at least in structures. Lockheed Martin is also suggesting that Japan build a final assembly plant, which it is likely to do.

The larger the local industrial involvement in building Japanese F-35s, the greater the likelihood that the country will keep building them after the initial requirement for 42 is filled. Although recent news reports say Japan needs 40-50 F-35s, the defense ministry confirms it will buy 42, the number that industry executives had been expecting. Before the F-X selection was made, Japanese manufacturers urged that the aircraft be built in-country until the late 2020s to replace some of its Boeing F-15Js.

The defense ministry says it gave each contender a score in four areas. A maximum of 50 points was available for aircraft performance, 22.5 for cost, 22.5 for domestic industrial participation and 5 for after-sales support.

It does not explain why the F-35 led in the assessment of performance, except that the result was based on operations research, but the defense ministry adds that it was also judged as having the best after-sales support. The stealth fighter appears to have lagged on domestic industrial participation — because the U.S. government is not expected to allow enough technology transfer to build all of it. Eurofighter agreed to 95% “information-sharing” and Boeing to 70-80%, the Sankei says, without explanation. The information-sharing offer for the F-35 was extremely low by comparison, the paper says.

Eurofighter officials had previously said Japan could build as much of the Typhoon as they wanted. Eurofighter’s offer particularly appealed to some members of the Diet, according to a newspaper from the Nagoya area, where Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has its aerospace works. Several of them argued in a meeting of the Diet defense committee that Japan should choose the Typhoon for the F-X requirement, to replace F-4EJ Kai Phantoms, and then switch to the F-35.

The defense ministry makes no mention of assigning a value to the risk of buying each aircraft, as its counterparts in other countries often do, especially when considering an order for equipment that is still under development. After repeated delays, the F-35 is now due to achieve initial operational capability with the U.S. Air Force in 2018, with its F-35A version.

The first four F-35As for Japan are to be ordered in the fiscal year that begins on April 1, 2012, for delivery in 2016. The defense ministry expects them to cost ¥9.9 billion ($127 million) each, not including the cost of running them. That leaves a lot of room for savings when compared with the ¥15 billion unit cost that Defense Minister Yasuo Ichikawa cited in November for further production of the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries F-2 strike fighter.

The defense ministry projects that Japan will spend ¥1.6 trillion in buying all 42 F-35As and operating them for 20 years.

Se essa for a explicacao oficial... acho que eles terao problemas.

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CB_Lima

[knigh7]

Oras não estou vendo as manchetes, F-18E e Typhoon perdem mais uma concorrência!!! Depois dizem que os franceses estavam errados em não participar dessa palhaçada, brincadeira de escolher caças.

A verdade é que o Japão está atado aos EUA, e vão para o mesmo buraco, , vão ter o mesmo destino deles. Que parece ser o caso do F-35, um programa desastroso do princípio ao fim, com erros começando na megalomania e terminando no faz de conta dos preços absurdos.

Estava vendo lá nos fóruns ingleses, lá eles dizem a verdade sobre o F-35, se tudo aquilo que eles disseram for verdade, os F-35s que forem fabricados agora terão que ser refitados por inteiro. Entre outras coisas os sistemas de cabine terão que ser inteiramente modificados para que o caça seja de fato operacional, caso contrário será inútil num TO moderno.

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A parte do retrofit de célula estou sabendo. Qual o problema dos sistemas de cabine? Esta informação é nova pra mim.

Qual é o motivo para o retrofit da célula (além da cabine), pessoal?

[PRick]

A parte do retrofit de célula estou sabendo. Qual o problema dos sistemas de cabine? Esta informação é nova pra mim.

Qual é o motivo para o retrofit da célula (além da cabine), pessoal?

A quantidade de problemas encontrados nos aviões prontos é tal, que só reconstruindo de novo, trocando as peças que estão apresentando desgastes prematuros, e outros sistemas internos que deverão ser redesenhados, isso tudo porque não se ensaiou protótipos da maneira usual, mas se partiu logo para a produção seriada.

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[Penguin]

Japan Judged F-35 To Have Best Performance
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... erformance

Dec 22, 2011

By Bradley Perrett

BEIJING — The Japanese defense ministry says the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning’s performance beat that of the other two contenders in the competition for Japan’s F-X fighter requirement.

The ministry says the F-35A also was the cheapest, because the competing Eurofighter Typhoon and Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet would have needed modification for flying-boom inflight refueling.

Japanese industry will be able to make 40% of the aircraft’s “300 components,” according to a Sankei newspaper report that does not say how the parts have been counted. The Yomiuri newspaper says the U.S. government is proposing that Japan build F-35 wings and tails, work that would otherwise go to Lockheed Martin and BAE Systems, respectively.

These reports indicate that Japan will, as expected, retreat from its previous policy of near-complete manufacturing of fighters. But it will retain considerable industrial capabilities, at least in structures. Lockheed Martin is also suggesting that Japan build a final assembly plant, which it is likely to do.

The larger the local industrial involvement in building Japanese F-35s, the greater the likelihood that the country will keep building them after the initial requirement for 42 is filled. Although recent news reports say Japan needs 40-50 F-35s, the defense ministry confirms it will buy 42, the number that industry executives had been expecting. Before the F-X selection was made, Japanese manufacturers urged that the aircraft be built in-country until the late 2020s to replace some of its Boeing F-15Js.

The defense ministry says it gave each contender a score in four areas. A maximum of 50 points was available for aircraft performance, 22.5 for cost, 22.5 for domestic industrial participation and 5 for after-sales support.

It does not explain why the F-35 led in the assessment of performance, except that the result was based on operations research, but the defense ministry adds that it was also judged as having the best after-sales support. The stealth fighter appears to have lagged on domestic industrial participation — because the U.S. government is not expected to allow enough technology transfer to build all of it. Eurofighter agreed to 95% “information-sharing” and Boeing to 70-80%, the Sankei says, without explanation. The information-sharing offer for the F-35 was extremely low by comparison, the paper says.

Eurofighter officials had previously said Japan could build as much of the Typhoon as they wanted. Eurofighter’s offer particularly appealed to some members of the Diet, according to a newspaper from the Nagoya area, where Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has its aerospace works. Several of them argued in a meeting of the Diet defense committee that Japan should choose the Typhoon for the F-X requirement, to replace F-4EJ Kai Phantoms, and then switch to the F-35.

The defense ministry makes no mention of assigning a value to the risk of buying each aircraft, as its counterparts in other countries often do, especially when considering an order for equipment that is still under development. After repeated delays, the F-35 is now due to achieve initial operational capability with the U.S. Air Force in 2018, with its F-35A version.

The first four F-35As for Japan are to be ordered in the fiscal year that begins on April 1, 2012, for delivery in 2016. The defense ministry expects them to cost ¥9.9 billion ($127 million) each, not including the cost of running them. That leaves a lot of room for savings when compared with the ¥15 billion unit cost that Defense Minister Yasuo Ichikawa cited in November for further production of the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries F-2 strike fighter.

The defense ministry projects that Japan will spend ¥1.6 trillion in buying all 42 F-35As and operating them for 20 years.

F-35 ganhou pelo melhor desempenho e pelo custo, segundo MD do Japão
22 de dezembro de 2011, em Concorrências Internacionais, Noticiário Internacional, por Fernando "Nunão" De Martini
http://www.aereo.jor.br/2011/12/22/f-35 ... -do-japao/

Reportagem desta quinta-feira da Aviation Week destaca que o Ministério a Defesa do Japão disse que o desempenho do F-35A bateu o de seus dois competidores na disputa pelo seu programa F-X. Também foi dito que o caça também era o mais barato, porque seus competidores Eurofighter Typhoon e Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet implicariam em modificações para o sistema de reabastecimento em voo do tipo “flying-boom”.

A indústria japonesa poderá produzir 40% dos “300 componentes” da aeronave, de acordo com o jornal Sankei, embora a reportagem não diga como essas partes foram contadas. Já o jornal Yomiuri diz que o Governo dos EUA está propondo que o Japão produza asas e cauda do F-35, trabalho que, caso contrário, seria realizado pela Lockheed Martin e BAE Systems, respectivamente.

Isso indica que o Japão recuou de sua política anterior de produzir quase a totalidade das partes de seus caças. Mas serão retidas capacidades industriais consideráveis, ao menos em estruturas. A Lockheed Martin também está sugerindo que o Japão instale uma linha de montagem final, o que provavelmente vai acontecer. Quanto mais a indústria local se envolver na produção dos F-35 japoneses, mas provavelmente o país poderá continuar produzindo esses caças após a entrega dos 42 requisitados.

Sobre a seleção do caça, o Ministério da Defesa afirmou que deu a cada competidor uma pontuação em quatro áreas. Um máximo de 50 pontos estava disponível para desempenho da aeronave, 22,5 para custo, 22,5 para participação da indústria local e 5 para o apoio pós-venda.

Apesar de não explicar por que o F-35 ganhou em desempenho, exceto pela informação de que o resultado foi baseado em pesquisas operacionais, o Ministério acrescentou que o caça foi julgado o melhor no quesito do apoio pós-venda. Ainda assim, segundo o jornal Sankei, o compartilhamento de informações (dentro do quesito de transferência de tecnologia) foi julgado mais baixo do que o de seus competidores. O consórcio Eurofighter teria concordado em 95% desse compartilhamento, e a Boeing entre 70 e 80%, segundo o jornal.

Representantes do consórcio Eurofighter haviam anteriormente dito que o Japão poderia produzir quantos Typhoons quisesse e, segundo um jornal da região de Nagoya, onde ficam as instalações industriais da Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, essa oferta agradou bastante os legisladores japoneses. Muitos deles disseram, nocomitê de defesa, que o Japão deveria escolher o Typhoon no F-X para substituir F-4EJ Kai Phantom, e só depois mudar para o F-35.

Não foi feita menção, pelo Ministério, sobre algum valor ter sido atribuído para os riscos da compra de cada competidor, como se costuma fazer em outros países, especialmente quando se considera uma encomenda de equipamento que ainda está sendo desenvolvido. A capacidade de operação inicial (IOC) do F-35A, na Força Aérea dos EUA (USAF) é esperada para 2018, após vários adiamentos.

As primeiras quatro aeronaves F-35A do Japão deverão ser encomendadas no ano fiscal que começa em abril de 2012, para entrega em 2016. O Ministério da Defesa espera que cada um deles custe 9,9 bilhões de ienes, ou 127 milhões de dólares, sem incluir o custo operacional. Isso deixa bastante espaço para economia quando comparado ao custo unitário de 15 bilhões de ienes, citado em novembro pelo Ministro da Defesa Yasuo Ichikawa, para a continuidade da produção do F-2 da Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.

O Ministério da Defesa do Japão projeta que o país vai bastar 1,6 trilhões de ienes na compra dos 42 F-35A e em sua operação por 20 anos. O valor equivale a aproximadamente 20 bilhões e meio de dólares.

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[Túlio]

F-35 ganhou pelo melhor desempenho e pelo custo, segundo MD do Japão

Ah tá, melhor desempenho se nem operacional está - longe disso - e melhor custo com todas as subidas oriundas dos atrasos e isso tudo sem sequer terem alguma certeza de que os EUA e a LM não quebram antes. Vou te contar, hein, os japas ainda vão fazer josta qualquer dia desses...


Devem ter botado o Brig. Saito a escolher e, como não tinha GRIPEN na parada...

[soultrain]

Há coisas que valem mais que dinheiro...

[Túlio]

Também há as que APENAS SE PENSA que valem algo mas já nada valem...

[Carlos Lima]

Pois 'e... as justificativas foram meio...

Vamos ver no que isso vai dar!

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CB_Lima

[Skyway]

Belíssimo vídeo em HD. Passei tanto tempo longe do DB que nem sabia que o F-35 já estava nesse nível de testes.

[Bolovo]

Pô, eu nem fazia ideia tbm. Daqui a pouco esse treco já tá em operação.

[Andre Correa]

Incrível a qualidade das imagens, e parabéns a LM pois apesar de todos problemas que essa versão tem, está a seguir... sabe-se lá a que custos, mas vai...

[GDA_Fear]

Incrível a qualidade das imagens, e parabéns a LM pois apesar de todos problemas que essa versão tem, está a seguir... sabe-se lá a que custos, mas vai...

quem quer faz por onde, esse é o pensamento que diferencia os grandes dos pequenos

[prp]

Quem tem grana faz mais ainda
Tá ficando bacana a aeronave, falta saber a que custo.