Super-Tucano: americanos de olho.

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Re: Super-Tucano: americanos de olho.

#196 Mensagem por Sniper » Seg Abr 27, 2009 4:48 pm

Bourne escreveu:
gaitero escreveu: Paisano, acredito que não será necessário, creio que eu e Bourne poderemos resolver nossas desavensas via MP.
Até porque, se ele acha que eu quero obter benefício por se sentir importante mostrando aos outros o "poder" por ter ocupado um cargo privilegiado um dia. Ele deve me mostrar quando eu o fiz e porque ele se comprometeu tanto por uma resposta que eu dei. Até porque não preciso disso para viver e/ou me sentir bem.
Me suspenda de uma vez ou melhor em expulsem

Tô fora desse fórum.
Não é pra tanto Bourne!

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Re: Super-Tucano: americanos de olho.

#197 Mensagem por FABIO » Seg Abr 27, 2009 5:02 pm

pessoal tomara que o EUA não venham nos pedir para arrendar super tucano,pois
ja temos pouco para dimensão do nosso país, se eles quiserem espero eu que comprem
a não ser que Obama mande alguns F-18 em contrapartida. :mrgreen:




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Re: Super-Tucano: americanos de olho.

#198 Mensagem por kekosam » Ter Mai 05, 2009 5:45 pm

Segundo a última RFA, o programa de testes do ST na US Navy vai entrar na fase 2, com o envio de 4 unidades (arrendadas) para operações reais de COIN, que podem ter cabo no Afeganistão ou Iraque.




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#199 Mensagem por Túlio » Ter Mai 05, 2009 5:51 pm

Me suspenda de uma vez ou melhor em expulsem

Tô fora desse fórum.

Eu e o Beronha sabemos o que aconteceu... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:




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#200 Mensagem por kekosam » Qua Mai 06, 2009 1:59 pm

Túlio escreveu: Eu e o Beronha sabemos o que aconteceu... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Bah Tulio Velho... isto tá parecendo charla de china véia que se esgualepa toda pras outras ficarem pedindo... "Conta... conta... conta..." :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :lol:




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Re: Super-Tucano: americanos de olho.

#201 Mensagem por Junker » Ter Jun 16, 2009 11:25 pm

ST para USAF em 2012? 8-]
Irregular warfare a servicewide job
By Bruce Rolfsen - Staff writer
Posted : Saturday Jun 13, 2009 12:31:41 EDT

A separate irregular warfare wing is a no-go, at least for now.

Instead, Air Force officials want to involve everyone in the fight.

That likely will mean placing irregular warfare units within several major commands that have matching specialties. For example, the irregular warfare airlift mission would be situated with Air Mobility Command.

“My goal is to get this ingrained in the Air Force,” said Steve Day, the civilian director of Irregular Warfare Task Force at the Air Staff and a former Navy fighter pilot.

Once considered primarily a function of Air Force Special Operations Command, irregular warfare now reaches across the service to include surveillance, training, education, airlift, strike and working closely with ground combat units.

In the wake of Sept. 11, 2001, irregular warfare expanded to include not just airmen directly battling insurgencies, but also the airmen needed to advise allied militaries and support their emerging air forces.

But the projects were often ad hoc, launched to meet specific demands, Day said.

Now irregular warfare “is energized across the Air Force,” he said.

Air Force Secretary Michael Donley and Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz established the Irregular Warfare Task Force six months ago to look at the long-term requirements beyond the needs of Iraq and Afghanistan and how to organize airmen involved with the mission.

The task force heard from Air Force generals who work with the joint combatant commands, such as Southern Command and Pacific Command, who identified airlift as a priority. Those needs include helicopters to reach remote locations, fixed-wing transports, light attack planes and the advisers who coordinate airstrikes and airlift, Day said.

To address those requirements, Air Mobility Command is studying development of a light airlift aircraft, while Air Combat Command is looking at a light strike plane. Ideally, the aircraft would be easy to maintain and affordable for a small nation.

If Air Force leaders agree to buy aircraft designed for irregular warfare missions, the service could establish program offices in 2011 and begin the contracting process in 2012, Day said.

As part of the irregular warfare program, airmen also will become better prepared to serve as advisers to allies.

Air Education and Training Command is establishing a school that would train airmen already skilled in a specialty to be advisers, Day said. The school would train about 1,500 advisers annually with a goal of getting those airmen into a training assignment after they graduate. If a position wasn’t available, the airmen could go back to their core career field with a special identifier in their personnel records marking them as qualified trainers, Day said.

Trained advisers could be placed in groups for quick deployments in response to natural disasters and military missions, Day said. The Air Force has four contingency response groups but is looking at doubling that number and giving each group a training mission for its region. For example, the proposed group associated with Africa Command could work with civilian and military airport operators there.
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Re: Super-Tucano: americanos de olho.

#202 Mensagem por Moccelin » Qua Jun 17, 2009 12:55 am

Ou rios de dinheiro pra (a) resuscitar o OV-10 Bronco ou (b) terminar em prazo récorde algum daqueles programas de "Super Tucanos" norte-americanos...




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#203 Mensagem por caixeiro » Ter Jul 21, 2009 11:35 am

Para sair um pouco do FX-2 , ST com Caca torpedeiro ala WWII, so que recheado de eletronica moderna de ponta.
Secret Program Works to Field SEAL Plane



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In a move that harkens back to the days of recycled World War II torpedo bombers sheep-dipped as close air support planes, the Navy intends to field a limited number of turbo-prop attack planes outfitted with the most modern surveillance, tracking and weapons systems to help special ops forces keep track of bad guys and, in a pinch, put warheads on foreheads.

Call it an AH-1 Skyraider on steroids – a “Back to the Future”-resurrection of a kind of plane last seen pounding enemy positions with rockets, guns and bombs over Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos in the 1960s.

Code named “Imminent Fury,” the classified, year-long program has so far produced one fully-outfitted plane and is set to field four more to directly support SEALs and other operators on the battlefield in Afghanistan.

According to a source close to the program who declined to be named, the Navy has leased an EMB-314 Super Tucano for the job. Made by the Brazilian aerospace company Embraer, it is now being tested on desert ranges in California and the service’s top test facility at Patuxent River Naval Air Station, Md. The Navy loaded it up with sensors and weapons systems that “would make an F-16 pilot blush,” the source said.

With top end electro-optical and infrared sensors, laser and GPS-guided bombs, rockets, twin .50 cal. machine guns, encrypted radios – and even the capability to tie in UAV surveillance feeds – the Super Tucano outfitted for the SEALs is a ground-pounder’s angel from above.

Military.com contacted the Navy for comment on this story, but despite a detailed public briefing on the program in March by a high-ranking program official, the service declined to elaborate on the program other than to say in a written statement: “Imminent Fury is a classified Navy initiative to address urgent warfighter needs. Initial developmental testing has been promising and the Navy is currently conducting discussions with our Joint partners on various courses of action as this initiative moves forward.”

News of the Imminent Fury program comes as commanders in Afghanistan wrestle with the persistent problem of civilian casualties resulting from errant or mistaken bomb strikes – typically from aircraft high above the battlefield.

A recent investigation report on a high-profile friendly-fire incident in Farah province showed that high-altitude B-1 bombers had little ability to discriminate enemy from civilians during several bombings in support of Marine spec ops forces under Taliban assault.

Many argue that low-altitude aircraft that can fly for long periods over combat zones loaded with various weapons are needed to avoid such incidents. For advocates of the Imminent Fury program, the Super Tucano – with its five-hour endurance – fits the bill for a so-called “counter insurgency aircraft.”

“The SEALs said ‘we want a persistent capability at low cost, small footprint and turbo-prop aircraft to do armed intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance missions,’ ” the source close to the program said. “Everyone who gets briefed on this program has been blown away.”

Over the past year, both Navy and Air Force pilots have flown the leased Super Tucano in tests. According to the source, the single-engine, two-pilot plane has successfully dropped both laser and GPS guided bombs, as well as a wide range of guided and unguided rockets.

According to statistics from an Embraer brochure, the EMB-314 has a maximum speed of nearly 370 mph and a maximum ceiling of 35,000 feet. The plane can take off and land in just under 3,000 feet and can carry a maximum load of nearly 3,500 pounds.

The initial cadre of four SEAL-supporting Super Tucanos will be flown by Navy pilots activated as individual augmentees, and multiple sources close to the program report that aviators are clamoring to get involved with the program.

But it is still unclear whether Imminent Fury will get off the ground since funding for the program is in doubt. Sources say there is no money earmarked for the program in the 2010 budget but that the service “is hoping for some reprogramming authority” to move funds from other accounts to buy the four planes requested by the SEALs.

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#204 Mensagem por Sávio Ricardo » Ter Jul 21, 2009 11:51 am

caixeiro escreveu: Para sair um pouco do FX-2 , ST com Caca torpedeiro ala WWII, so que recheado de eletronica moderna de ponta.
Secret Program Works to Field SEAL Plane



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#205 Mensagem por Cougar_PH » Ter Jul 21, 2009 11:56 am

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#206 Mensagem por irlan » Ter Jul 21, 2009 12:35 pm

Do jeito que falaram na matéria parece que socaram o super tucano de eletrônica...fiquei imaginando ele aprecido com aquela versão do super hornet para guerra eletrônica :lol: , provavelmente só mais um lobby isso, os Seals com falta de verba?, eu não engulo essa...




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#207 Mensagem por Vitor » Ter Jul 21, 2009 12:43 pm

Gostei da parte que diz que os sensores e tal que botaram no Tucano fariam um piloto de F-16 ficar com inveja.




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#208 Mensagem por Carlos Lima » Ter Jul 21, 2009 3:14 pm

E l'a vai o S Tucano, uma vez deixado de lado em funcao do T-6 mostrando a que veio (muito do que eles estao vendo 'e resultado de relatorios de "observadores" que estavam vendo os bichos em operacao na Colombia) :wink:

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#209 Mensagem por Moccelin » Ter Jul 21, 2009 3:16 pm

Cara, eles fazem propaganda pró a sua força e contra as outras até nessas situações (já que o F-16 é exclusivo da USAF).

Mas é interessante mesmo, eu bem que queria saber que sensores são esses, tipo, alugaram um ST e modificaram o mesmo? Ou a Embraer já fabricou um exclusivo pra esse programa?

Agora, o mais interessante é o seguinte, o ST é quase único no mercado, os similares costumam ser beeem mais fraquinhos no que tange os sistemas. Agora só resta saber se vai levar, ou se eles vão aguentar até alguma empresa americana apresente um produto do mesmo nível, nem que seja um Bronco anabolizado...




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#210 Mensagem por Enlil » Ter Jul 21, 2009 3:40 pm

Os Marines e a US Navy também operam F-16...




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