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Esse povo qu defende o Rafale esquece que :

Rafale Out for Norway....

Singapore picks Boeing F-15 over Rafale of France...

Morocco Rafale Deal Dead, F-16 Prevails.... ( Ate o F-16 deu nele !!)

Mais tem Suica, India .... o Brasil ( Ah o Brasil) para conseguir provar alguma coisa pq se nao fica assim :

According to Defence Analysis and Flight Daily News, the Singapore evaluation also reportedly revealed problems with Rafale's reliability and availability, and that the aircraft failed to demonstrate claimed radar performance or its claimed ability to supercruise. Singapore was also reportedly unimpressed by Rafale's much vaunted "Omni role" capability. "Show us, properly" was said to have been the reaction, according to Defence Analysis. The lack of official comment by Singapore leads many to dismiss such criticism as unreliable hearsay, however.

Alguns ja olharam e nao gostaram do que viram, mais tem sempre um pe doente para um chinelo velho...

Abracos Elcio Caixeiro

[PRick]

Esse povo qu defende o Rafale esquece que :

Rafale Out for Norway....

Não existe concorrência, apenas um processo politico de escolha de caças

Singapore picks Boeing F-15 over Rafale of France...

Como na Coreia o F-15 perdeu na parte técnica, mas uma decisão politica, Singapura como, a Coreia são protetorado dos EUA, a realidade é essa.

Morocco Rafale Deal Dead, F-16 Prevails.... ( Ate o F-16 deu nele !!)

Novamente, não existiu processo seletivo, apenas ma escolha política de um caça mais barato e inferior.

Mais tem Suica, India .... o Brasil ( Ah o Brasil) para conseguir provar alguma coisa pq se nao fica assim :

According to Defence Analysis and Flight Daily News, the Singapore evaluation also reportedly revealed problems with Rafale's reliability and availability, and that the aircraft failed to demonstrate claimed radar performance or its claimed ability to supercruise. Singapore was also reportedly unimpressed by Rafale's much vaunted "Omni role" capability. "Show us, properly" was said to have been the reaction, according to Defence Analysis. The lack of official comment by Singapore leads many to dismiss such criticism as unreliable hearsay, however.

Alguns ja olharam e nao gostaram do que viram, mais tem sempre um pe doente para um chinelo velho...

O mesmo texto surrado que fala as mesmas abobrinhas, nenhum caça atual consegue super cruise em voo nivelado, parece que só o F-22, mas ainda quero ver para crer. Chinelos velhos são o Super bug e o Gripen dois remendos de caças já velhos como o MU falou, para usar o Gripen só mesmo refazendo tudo e tirando o material made in usa dele! Depois dessa nem tenho o que acrescentar.

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[AlbertoRJ]

Tirado do fórum Key Publishing:


Coréia:

"Dassault's combat aircraft Rafale was rated as "excellent" in all five categories, while its strongest rival, Boeing's F-15 fighter, reached the standard in only two categories.

The Boeing fighter received "excellent" in reliability and supportive combat capability, while Eurofighter, produced by a European consortium, won the top grades in the general function and reliability categories.

In the categories of weapons and electronic warfare capability, only Rafale earned the "excellent" grade, according to the officials.

Russia's Su-35 took fourth place with "ordinary" rates in all five categories.

Korea to Buy 20 Foreign Fighter Jets Next Year

(Source: Korea Overseas Information Service; dated Jan. 18, web-posted Jan. 17, 2007)

Having ordered 40 Boeing F-15Ks, South Korea has now confirmed plans to order 20 new multi-rôle fighters in 2008. Korea has decided to choose a foreign contractor through open bidding to supply 20 "next-generation" fighter jets in the coming years, a project to cost around 2.3 trillion won ($2.4 billion), defense officials said Wednesday (Jan. 17).

The project follows Seoul's contract with the U.S. company Boeing Co. in 2002 to buy 40 F-15K jets for $4.6 billion. Eighteen jets have been delivered so far, with the remainder to be introduced by next year.

"We plan to draw up a detailed plan for the procurement project next month and distribute the proposal in March, with the aim of signing a contract by February next year," said Major General Kim Deuk-hwan, director-general for aircraft programs at the Defense Acquisition Program Administration.

The decision was made at a defense procurement project committee meeting presided over by Defense Minister Kim Jang-soo at the Defense Ministry building in central Seoul.

Korea has pushed for the purchase of 120 next-generation fighter jets as part of its blueprint for overhauling the military's structure and drastically increasing combat capability by 2020.

"It is a plan to secure 20 highly efficient multipurpose fighter jets to actively counter threats by neighboring countries under the National Defense Reform 2020 project," Kim said. "We will introduce the aircraft between 2010 and 2012."

He indicated that Lockheed Martin's F-35 model will be ruled out, saying the Air Force needs double-engine fighters.

"There are a lot of differences between the single-engine F-35 and what our military needs, including weapons capacity and flight scope," Kim said.

Korean officials expect the introduction of a foreign model to help the country learn the core technology needed for the designing and manufacturing of advanced aircraft, as well as contributing to the development of the domestic aerospace industry and the creation of jobs.

In 2002, Seoul chose Boeing's F-15K, probably in consideration of the long-standing military alliance with the United States, giving a new lifeline to Boeing's then-sputtering F-15 production line in Missouri. The French-built fighter Rafale reportedly beat the F-15K by a narrow margin in the technical phase of evaluation. Two other fighters, the Russian Sukhoi Su-35 and the Typhoon from European consortium Eurofighter, also joined in the competition.

F-15 é covardia mesmo.

DATE : 20/03/07
SOURCE : Flight International

Typhoon to battle F-15K in Seoul
By Siva Govindasamy

Boeing and Eurofighter go head-to-head again for 20-aircraft deal, as Dassault and Sukhoi withdraw interest.

Boeing's F-15 and the Eurofighter Typhoon are to contest the $2.4 billion next phase of South Korea's F-X fighter contest, with potential rivals Dassault and Sukhoi having decided against entering the second round of bidding.

Officials from Boeing and the Euro¬fighter consortium at¬tended a compulsory presentation conducted by South Korea's Defence Acquisition Programme Administration (DAPA), which spelt out Seoul's requirements for the 20-aircraft deal. Dassault and Sukhoi did not send representatives.

"Dassault said in 2002 that it won't take part in future South Korean competitions, and it appears to be keeping to its word. Sukhoi probably realised that it had little chance as well," says a Seoul-based industry source. "The Koreans will be relieved that Eurofighter is still keen as they want a competition, as opposed to awarding a single-source contract."

The new requirement is being opened up to competition even though Boeing won a contract to supply the South Korean air force with 40 F-15Ks in 2002, plus 40 options. The F-15 was chosen over the Typhoon, Dassault Rafale and Sukhoi Su-35, although the Rafale came out on top in the evaluation.

The decision hardened perceptions that South Korea is biased towards procuring US military hardware, and prompted Seoul to launch an open bid for the second phase of its contest. However, in a possible indication of its platform preference, the DAPA's K-X requirement calls for the acquisition of an "F-15 class" aircraft.
Eurofighter's confidence is based on its sales record and the fact that the aircraft has now proven its capabilities, says the industry source. Around 100 are now operational with launch users Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK, and deals to export a further 90 to Austria and Saudi Arabia are progressing. "It [Eurofighter] is determined to break into the Asian market, and the fact that it had more representatives at the meeting than any other company shows how seriously it is taking this," the source notes.

Boeing and Eurofighter must submit their proposals for the K-X deal by 18 April, with a contract to be signed around February 2008 and deliveries to occur in the 2010-12 timeframe.

Holanda:

"A surprising and important detail had been made public: the technological and operational evaluation by the RNAF of the three candidates. According to the RNAF criteria, the JSF had been graded 6.97; the Rafale, 6.95; and the Eurofighter Typhoon, 5.85. "
http://www.dedefensa.org/article.php?art_id=84

Singapura:

Rafale, the French fighter, scrambles for export orders
By Christina Mackenzie
International Herald Tribune

Published: July 16, 2006 Paris

Riddle: Which combat aircraft outperforms its competitors in dogfights, is frequently classed first on technical merit in international tenders, is capable of covering a broad spectrum of air missions and is competitively priced, but has yet to win a single export order from a foreign air force? Answer: the Rafale, the French fighter developed and manufactured by Dassault Aviation.

In development since the mid-1980s and in French naval carrier-based service since 2004, Rafale is a so-called fourth-generation fighter, a sophisticated multirole jet with advanced avionics and weapons systems, but less able to avoid radar detection than "fifth generation" stealth fighters like the Lockheed-Martin F-22 Raptor or the U.S.-European F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

Competitors include the U.S.-made F- 15 Eagle, in service in various versions since the 1970s, the F-16 Fighting Falcon and F-18E/F Super Hornet, the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Swedish-built JAS-39 Gripen, marketed in collaboration with BAE Systems of Britain.

Dassault and the French Ministry of Defense hope that exports may now take off after Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin declared operational a first French air force squadron of 20 Rafales on June 27.

"It's almost impossible to sell a combat aircraft not operational in its own air force," Gérard David, head of communications for Dassault said during an interview by telephone. "The doors are now open to Rafale's export career."
Within the French military, the Rafale eventually would replace existing air force and naval fighters and fighter- bombers, including the Mirage IV, F1 and 2000; the Jaguar; Crusader; Etendard IV and Super-Etendard.

"This is going to reduce our operating costs tremendously through rationalization of maintenance," said General Patrick Dufour, director of the Rafale program at the Délégation Générale de l'Armement, France's defense procurement agency.

Colonel François Moussez, a pilot who has flown 150 hours on the Rafale, said that two could do the work of six existing air superiority/defense and air-to-surface attack jets. "With the Rafale," he said, "we can do simultaneous multimission management: air-to-air, air-to- ground, reconnaissance at the same time."

Moussez said that in dogfight exercises, the Rafale had outflown F-15, F-16 and F-18 opponents, and in technical and performance evaluations "we have systematically won against the F-15 and the Eurofighter Typhoon."
Yet it lost to the F-15 in competitions to sell to South Korea and Singapore. Moussez said it was outflanked in the former case on political grounds and in the latter case on costs, noting that the dollar had depreciated 30 percent over the period of the Singapore competition.

In competitions to sell combat aircraft, "the principal criterion is political. It has little to do with aircraft performance," Moussez said.

Richard Aboulafia, an aerospace analyst with Teal Group in Fairfax, Virginia, also says that politics play a major role in fighter procurement. "Aggressive U.S. foreign policy" was a primary cause of export wins by U.S. military jets, he said during an interview by telephone.

Bob Kemp, director of sales for the Gripen, was not so sure. "There is no doubt a political factor," he said during an interview. But "the first thing is, the aircraft must be able to do the job, and the second is financial."
The Gripen, in operation with the Swedish Air Force since 1997, has been sold or leased to three countries and is quietly adding more orders, partly because it is "half the price of our competitors," Kemp said.

Pricing combat aircraft is notoriously complex, with deals often involving industrial offsets and seldom reflecting full aircraft development costs. While Dufour put the average cost of a Rafale at €50 million, or $64 million, and the Typhoon - a collaboration grouping Italy, Germany, Spain and Britain - at about £65 million, or $120 million, Kemp said both aircraft had been offered to Singapore and South Korea at about $95 million each, compared with a basic price tag of $45 million to $50 million for the Gripen.

Combat aircraft technology "costs what it weighs," Kemp said. "The Typhoon is basically twice the weight of the Gripen - and costs twice as much."
The Typhoon, although lacking air-to- ground capacity in its current version, already has one export customer. Austria signed for 18 aircraft in August 2003 and Britain has signed a preliminary agreement with Saudi Arabia to supply at least 24 Typhoons from the British production run of 89 aircraft, although no final deal has been sealed.

Meanwhile Gripen has sold 28 aircraft to South Africa, the first of which left Sweden by ship in early July for the Overburg test flight center near Cape Town. Hungary has signed a lease and purchase agreement with Sweden for 14 aircraft, of which the first five were handed over in March. And the Czech Republic has leased 14 aircraft, all of which have been delivered. Norway and Denmark have also requested information on the Gripen from Saab, its manufacturer.

French procurement officials, comparing the sales prospects of the Gripen and Rafale, said the Gripen was designed for a different type of mission. The Rafale, a twin-engine aircraft with a maximum takeoff weight of 24.5 tons, can carry 9.5 tons of weapons slung under its wings, while the single-engine Gripen, with a maximum takeoff weight of 14 tons, carries only 5 tons of weapons.

Kemp agrees. Buyers of the heavier fighters "pay for longer range and heavier weapons loads," he said, fitting them for a strategic defense role that some air forces may find less relevant than it was at the height of the cold war.

Still, by 2030, many countries will need to renew their combat aircraft fleets including some, like India and Japan, that may face significant strategic challenges. Saudi Arabia may finalize its Typhoon deal at the Farnborough Airshow, and analysts say other likely customers in the near future include Morocco and Brazil.

Excluding the United States, Russia and China, the open export market is estimated by analysts at around 3,000 aircraft. France traditionally holds between 10 percent to 15 percent of this market. Based on political preferences and past performance, France could hope to export about 300 Rafales, analysts say.

Como sabemos, nem sempre o melhor leva. O Rafale evoluiu e está melhor ainda e existem outros concursos, incluindo o FX-2.

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O negocio do Rafale e que ele NAO GANHA mais tentar ele Tenta

Tirado do fórum Key Publishing:


Coréia:

"Dassault's combat aircraft Rafale was rated as "excellent" in all five categories, while its strongest rival, Boeing's F-15 fighter, reached the standard in only two categories.

The Boeing fighter received "excellent" in reliability and supportive combat capability, while Eurofighter, produced by a European consortium, won the top grades in the general function and reliability categories.

In the categories of weapons and electronic warfare capability, only Rafale earned the "excellent" grade, according to the officials.

Russia's Su-35 took fourth place with "ordinary" rates in all five categories.

Korea to Buy 20 Foreign Fighter Jets Next Year

(Source: Korea Overseas Information Service; dated Jan. 18, web-posted Jan. 17, 2007)

Having ordered 40 Boeing F-15Ks, South Korea has now confirmed plans to order 20 new multi-rôle fighters in 2008. Korea has decided to choose a foreign contractor through open bidding to supply 20 "next-generation" fighter jets in the coming years, a project to cost around 2.3 trillion won ($2.4 billion), defense officials said Wednesday (Jan. 17).

The project follows Seoul's contract with the U.S. company Boeing Co. in 2002 to buy 40 F-15K jets for $4.6 billion. Eighteen jets have been delivered so far, with the remainder to be introduced by next year.

"We plan to draw up a detailed plan for the procurement project next month and distribute the proposal in March, with the aim of signing a contract by February next year," said Major General Kim Deuk-hwan, director-general for aircraft programs at the Defense Acquisition Program Administration.

The decision was made at a defense procurement project committee meeting presided over by Defense Minister Kim Jang-soo at the Defense Ministry building in central Seoul.

Korea has pushed for the purchase of 120 next-generation fighter jets as part of its blueprint for overhauling the military's structure and drastically increasing combat capability by 2020.

"It is a plan to secure 20 highly efficient multipurpose fighter jets to actively counter threats by neighboring countries under the National Defense Reform 2020 project," Kim said. "We will introduce the aircraft between 2010 and 2012."

He indicated that Lockheed Martin's F-35 model will be ruled out, saying the Air Force needs double-engine fighters.

"There are a lot of differences between the single-engine F-35 and what our military needs, including weapons capacity and flight scope," Kim said.

Korean officials expect the introduction of a foreign model to help the country learn the core technology needed for the designing and manufacturing of advanced aircraft, as well as contributing to the development of the domestic aerospace industry and the creation of jobs.

In 2002, Seoul chose Boeing's F-15K, probably in consideration of the long-standing military alliance with the United States, giving a new lifeline to Boeing's then-sputtering F-15 production line in Missouri. The French-built fighter Rafale reportedly beat the F-15K by a narrow margin in the technical phase of evaluation. Two other fighters, the Russian Sukhoi Su-35 and the Typhoon from European consortium Eurofighter, also joined in the competition.

F-15 é covardia mesmo.

DATE : 20/03/07
SOURCE : Flight International

Typhoon to battle F-15K in Seoul
By Siva Govindasamy

Boeing and Eurofighter go head-to-head again for 20-aircraft deal, as Dassault and Sukhoi withdraw interest.

Boeing's F-15 and the Eurofighter Typhoon are to contest the $2.4 billion next phase of South Korea's F-X fighter contest, with potential rivals Dassault and Sukhoi having decided against entering the second round of bidding.

Officials from Boeing and the Euro¬fighter consortium at¬tended a compulsory presentation conducted by South Korea's Defence Acquisition Programme Administration (DAPA), which spelt out Seoul's requirements for the 20-aircraft deal. Dassault and Sukhoi did not send representatives.

"Dassault said in 2002 that it won't take part in future South Korean competitions, and it appears to be keeping to its word. Sukhoi probably realised that it had little chance as well," says a Seoul-based industry source. "The Koreans will be relieved that Eurofighter is still keen as they want a competition, as opposed to awarding a single-source contract."

The new requirement is being opened up to competition even though Boeing won a contract to supply the South Korean air force with 40 F-15Ks in 2002, plus 40 options. The F-15 was chosen over the Typhoon, Dassault Rafale and Sukhoi Su-35, although the Rafale came out on top in the evaluation.

The decision hardened perceptions that South Korea is biased towards procuring US military hardware, and prompted Seoul to launch an open bid for the second phase of its contest. However, in a possible indication of its platform preference, the DAPA's K-X requirement calls for the acquisition of an "F-15 class" aircraft.
Eurofighter's confidence is based on its sales record and the fact that the aircraft has now proven its capabilities, says the industry source. Around 100 are now operational with launch users Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK, and deals to export a further 90 to Austria and Saudi Arabia are progressing. "It [Eurofighter] is determined to break into the Asian market, and the fact that it had more representatives at the meeting than any other company shows how seriously it is taking this," the source notes.

Boeing and Eurofighter must submit their proposals for the K-X deal by 18 April, with a contract to be signed around February 2008 and deliveries to occur in the 2010-12 timeframe.

Holanda:

"A surprising and important detail had been made public: the technological and operational evaluation by the RNAF of the three candidates. According to the RNAF criteria, the JSF had been graded 6.97; the Rafale, 6.95; and the Eurofighter Typhoon, 5.85. "
http://www.dedefensa.org/article.php?art_id=84

Singapura:

Rafale, the French fighter, scrambles for export orders
By Christina Mackenzie
International Herald Tribune

Published: July 16, 2006 Paris

Riddle: Which combat aircraft outperforms its competitors in dogfights, is frequently classed first on technical merit in international tenders, is capable of covering a broad spectrum of air missions and is competitively priced, but has yet to win a single export order from a foreign air force? Answer: the Rafale, the French fighter developed and manufactured by Dassault Aviation.

In development since the mid-1980s and in French naval carrier-based service since 2004, Rafale is a so-called fourth-generation fighter, a sophisticated multirole jet with advanced avionics and weapons systems, but less able to avoid radar detection than "fifth generation" stealth fighters like the Lockheed-Martin F-22 Raptor or the U.S.-European F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

Competitors include the U.S.-made F- 15 Eagle, in service in various versions since the 1970s, the F-16 Fighting Falcon and F-18E/F Super Hornet, the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Swedish-built JAS-39 Gripen, marketed in collaboration with BAE Systems of Britain.

Dassault and the French Ministry of Defense hope that exports may now take off after Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin declared operational a first French air force squadron of 20 Rafales on June 27.

"It's almost impossible to sell a combat aircraft not operational in its own air force," Gérard David, head of communications for Dassault said during an interview by telephone. "The doors are now open to Rafale's export career."
Within the French military, the Rafale eventually would replace existing air force and naval fighters and fighter- bombers, including the Mirage IV, F1 and 2000; the Jaguar; Crusader; Etendard IV and Super-Etendard.

"This is going to reduce our operating costs tremendously through rationalization of maintenance," said General Patrick Dufour, director of the Rafale program at the Délégation Générale de l'Armement, France's defense procurement agency.

Colonel François Moussez, a pilot who has flown 150 hours on the Rafale, said that two could do the work of six existing air superiority/defense and air-to-surface attack jets. "With the Rafale," he said, "we can do simultaneous multimission management: air-to-air, air-to- ground, reconnaissance at the same time."

Moussez said that in dogfight exercises, the Rafale had outflown F-15, F-16 and F-18 opponents, and in technical and performance evaluations "we have systematically won against the F-15 and the Eurofighter Typhoon."
Yet it lost to the F-15 in competitions to sell to South Korea and Singapore. Moussez said it was outflanked in the former case on political grounds and in the latter case on costs, noting that the dollar had depreciated 30 percent over the period of the Singapore competition.

In competitions to sell combat aircraft, "the principal criterion is political. It has little to do with aircraft performance," Moussez said.

Richard Aboulafia, an aerospace analyst with Teal Group in Fairfax, Virginia, also says that politics play a major role in fighter procurement. "Aggressive U.S. foreign policy" was a primary cause of export wins by U.S. military jets, he said during an interview by telephone.

Bob Kemp, director of sales for the Gripen, was not so sure. "There is no doubt a political factor," he said during an interview. But "the first thing is, the aircraft must be able to do the job, and the second is financial."
The Gripen, in operation with the Swedish Air Force since 1997, has been sold or leased to three countries and is quietly adding more orders, partly because it is "half the price of our competitors," Kemp said.

Pricing combat aircraft is notoriously complex, with deals often involving industrial offsets and seldom reflecting full aircraft development costs. While Dufour put the average cost of a Rafale at €50 million, or $64 million, and the Typhoon - a collaboration grouping Italy, Germany, Spain and Britain - at about £65 million, or $120 million, Kemp said both aircraft had been offered to Singapore and South Korea at about $95 million each, compared with a basic price tag of $45 million to $50 million for the Gripen.

Combat aircraft technology "costs what it weighs," Kemp said. "The Typhoon is basically twice the weight of the Gripen - and costs twice as much."
The Typhoon, although lacking air-to- ground capacity in its current version, already has one export customer. Austria signed for 18 aircraft in August 2003 and Britain has signed a preliminary agreement with Saudi Arabia to supply at least 24 Typhoons from the British production run of 89 aircraft, although no final deal has been sealed.

Meanwhile Gripen has sold 28 aircraft to South Africa, the first of which left Sweden by ship in early July for the Overburg test flight center near Cape Town. Hungary has signed a lease and purchase agreement with Sweden for 14 aircraft, of which the first five were handed over in March. And the Czech Republic has leased 14 aircraft, all of which have been delivered. Norway and Denmark have also requested information on the Gripen from Saab, its manufacturer.

French procurement officials, comparing the sales prospects of the Gripen and Rafale, said the Gripen was designed for a different type of mission. The Rafale, a twin-engine aircraft with a maximum takeoff weight of 24.5 tons, can carry 9.5 tons of weapons slung under its wings, while the single-engine Gripen, with a maximum takeoff weight of 14 tons, carries only 5 tons of weapons.

Kemp agrees. Buyers of the heavier fighters "pay for longer range and heavier weapons loads," he said, fitting them for a strategic defense role that some air forces may find less relevant than it was at the height of the cold war.

Still, by 2030, many countries will need to renew their combat aircraft fleets including some, like India and Japan, that may face significant strategic challenges. Saudi Arabia may finalize its Typhoon deal at the Farnborough Airshow, and analysts say other likely customers in the near future include Morocco and Brazil.

Excluding the United States, Russia and China, the open export market is estimated by analysts at around 3,000 aircraft. France traditionally holds between 10 percent to 15 percent of this market. Based on political preferences and past performance, France could hope to export about 300 Rafales, analysts say.

Como sabemos, nem sempre o melhor leva. O Rafale evoluiu e está melhor ainda e existem outros concursos, incluindo o FX-2.

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[Mapinguari]

Caraca vou ser bem sincéro o que da de nego metido a especialista é coisa de loco.

1)O Gripen foi feito pra Suécia isso é fato, o Brasil tem tamanhos CONTINENTAIS e por isso o Gripen tem baixa autonomia, na Suécia pode ser um exelente caça aki não.

GDA_Fear, melhor considerar que:
1) O JAS 39 C/D, que já havia ganhado o F-X1, tem ao menos o dobro do raio de combate do F-5E que o pessoal da FAB adora.
2) O Gripen NG, que é outro modelo, FOI SELECIONADO PELA FAB como um dos três finalistas do F-X2, tem praticamente o mesmo alcance do Rafale e do F/A-18E/F em muitos dos perfis de vôo e tudo indica que terá capacidade de supercruzeiro com uma razoável gama de armas ar-ar.
3) Por último, se a FAB selecionou o Gripen NG, e tem muito mais informações sobre o caça do que qualquer um de nós e, com certeza, muito mais do que o seu vizinho, é porque ela considera que ele tem tanta chance de ganhar a contenda quanto o Super Hornet ou o Rafale, quer o seu vizinho queira ou não.
Quanto a tudo isso que você disse sobre o Gripen, que seja modelo A, B, C, D ou NG, melhor ler todo o tópico Gripen News, bem como o sobre o F-X2, antes de escrever emitir certas opiniões. Essa foi sua terceira mensagem no fórum. Melhor se informar melhor.

2)O rafale ainda enfrenta problemas como por exemplo bombas guiadas a laser tiveram que ter apoio dos Mirage 2000 para efetuar uma missão de ataque ao solo e os Mirage 2000 ainda atuaram como mini-awacs iluminando o radar dos Rafales

Avise seu vizinho que o prazo para a entrega das primeiras unidades do modelo escolhido PELA FAB para ser o seu futuro caça terá início em 2014. Portanto, não tem a menor importância o fato de qualquer um dos concorrentes estar enfrentando problemas em seu desenvolvimento agora. O que importa é que, quando o modelo escolhido estiver entrando em serviço na FAB, os problemas estejam resolvidos.

3)Super Hornet não é lento ele opera numa velocidade normal,outra isso aqui não é super trunfo ah..qual sua velocidade 1.5mach ah.. o meu eh 2mach, primeiro que em combate você não vai operar nessa velocidade pois precisa de After Burner e isso acabaria com o combustível em dois toque.O super Hornet tem o maior radar ver o inimigo antes e tomar medidas antes são fatores que na MAIORIA das vezes definem um combate..enfim o SH para as dimensões do Brasil é o melhor,consolidado em combates,alta flexibilidade de armamentos,ENFIM nessa short-lista é a melhor opção.

Sei... E foi o Major seu vizinho que disse isso? Se for SUA opinião, eu a respeito, embora possa não concordar com ela. Mais uma vez, leia todos os tópicos antes de publicar sua opinião. O consenso é que TODOS os três aviões pré-selecionados atendem as necessidades da FAB e, portanto, são EQUIVALENTES. Existem, como sempre acontece, áreas em que um é melhor do que o outro. É para isso que a FAB está fazendo uma avaliação séria. No final das contas, será escolhido aquele que somar maior pontuação nos critérios da FAB, cada um com seu peso específico. Sem esquecer fatores externos que podem desequilibrar o processo, como ingerências políticas e econômicas. Elas são indesejáveis e seria bem melhor que somente os critérios técnicos da FAB prevalecessem, mas ninguiém aqui é inocente a ponto de achar que essas interferências não existem.

OBS1:Estou torcendo para o que é melhor para o Brasil

Você, eu, todos nós aqui e toda a torcida do Flamengo...

OBS2:Tudo que escrevi eu perguntei para um Major da Aeronaltica que é meu vizinho aqui na minha cidade.

Seria bem melhor que fosse SUA opinião. Eu respeitaria mais uma idéia original sua. Embora seu vizinho major tenha todo o direito de preferir o Super Hornet, ele parece desconhecer que o Gripen que está na short-list não é do mesmo modelo que participou antes e que foi vencedor do processo F-X1. Então, ele parece estar jogando Super Trunfo.

Abração,

[Bolovo]

Opa e ae galera,quanto ao novo posso até ser mas acompanho esse forum a ums 8 meses já mas decidi fazer cadastro so agora.
Mesmo a versão NG a autonomia dele nem se compara com a do SH e ou Rafale o meu preferido era o SU-35 simplismente porque as necessidades da Rússia são semelhantes as do Brasil mas já que não deu...

E quais são as necessidades da Rússia e as do Brasil? Viu que rolo que é? Aqui ninguém sabe, é tudo suposição.

[Mapinguari]

Opa e ae galera,quanto ao novo posso até ser mas acompanho esse forum a ums 8 meses já mas decidi fazer cadastro so agora.
Mesmo a versão NG a autonomia dele nem se compara com a do SH e ou Rafale o meu preferido era o SU-35 simplismente porque as necessidades da Rússia são semelhantes as do Brasil mas já que não deu...

"3) Quanto ao F-18E: É um baita avião, concordo. Mas, sobre a alta flexibilidade de armamentos...fala sério. Todo o leque de armamentos do F-18E é americano...aí brother, a coisa pega.

Um abraço."

Aí é que ta o ponto o F-18 pode ser equipado com armas brasileiras mas cabe ao governo decidir o que ele vai querer se o governo quiser AIM-120 + AIM7 + AIM-9X(isso é um exemplo) não é porque o caça não aceita Derby ou Python e sim porque o governo quis,mas ele aceita sim outros armamentos.

Resumindo:Eu não tenho nada contra o Gripen só acho que para as necessidades do Brasil não é uma boa opção,volto a repetir a melhor seria SU-35 mas a segunda melhor na minha opinião é o F-18(grande quantidade de combustível,leva muitas armas,maior radar(AESA,todos os três tem AESA),só peca na manobrabilidade que não é ruim mais é um pouquinho inferior ao Rafale e ao Gripen MAS hoje em dia os combates são travados em BVR a manobrabilidade so serve para DOG.

Flw

A questão, GDA_Fear, é que a FAB parece pensar de modo diferente de você em relação ao Gripen NG.
E você não deu a entender que não tem nada contra o Gripen. Aliás, voc~e disse que tem tudo contra o Gripen.
Disse que ele tem baixa autonomia. Bem, melhor examinar o gráfico este gráfico, da proposta da Saab para a Holanda, oferecendo o Gripen NG:


Sobre a disponibilidade de armas para o Gripen, melhor ver a imagem abaixo, que mostra o leque de armas já integrado ou em fase de integração ao Gripen.


Sobre as possíveis combinações de armas que o Gripen NG pode levar, veja a foto abaixo, em minha assinatura.

Então, só por isso aí, sem contar o monte de outras vantagens do NG, como baixo custo de operação (o menor entre os concorrentes), o melhor datalink, um radar AESA, liberdade de integrar qualquer arma que desejarmos, etc, acho que a FAB sabia muito bem o que estava fazendo, quando colocou o Gripen Ng entre os finalistas do F-X2, não é?

[Penguin]

Boeing Selects Supplier for Super Hornet Block II Infrared Search and Track Capability
ST. LOUIS, July 02, 2007 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] has selected Lockheed Martin's Missiles and Fire Control division to supply up to 150 Infrared Search and Track (IRST) systems for Super Hornet Block II aircraft. The selection of the Lockheed IRST system for this U.S. Navy program follows a rigorous and competitive request for information process.

"IRST is yet another addition to the Super Hornet Block II arsenal, and it will truly change the nature of the air-to-air fight," said Capt. Donald "BD" Gaddis, U.S. Navy F/A-18E/F and EA-18G program manager, PMA-265. "Sensor-fused data from IRST, AESA, ALR-67(v)3 digitally cued receiver and off board information will ensure the Super Hornet Block II dominates and survives against the most challenging air threats well past 2024."

Boeing expects to receive the initial IRST development contract from the Navy in the summer of 2008. The total contract value is expected to exceed $500 million through the development and production phases of the program.

"Integration of IRST significantly enhances the capability of the Super Hornet Block II by providing multi-spectral air-to-air targeting," said Bob Gower, vice president, Boeing F/A-18 programs. "IRST, a key component of the Super Hornet's 'Flight Plan,' will provide the warfighter with unprecedented on-board situational awareness and enhance the engagement range of modern high-performance air-to-air weapons."

The Flight Plan is a roadmap of planned capability enhancements that will allow the Super Hornet Block II to remain ahead of emerging threats, while addressing warfighting needs in an integrated, cost effective manner.

"The taxpayer is benefiting from Boeing's early selection of a supplier," added Gower. "Boeing and Lockheed Martin are partnering to invest more than $10 million to conduct a risk reduction demonstration, with U.S. Navy participation, prior to the start of the IRST development contract."

IRST is a passive, long-range sensor system that searches for and detects long-wave IR emissions within its field of view. It can track several targets simultaneously and provide an effective air-to-air targeting capability, even when facing advanced threats with radar jamming equipment.

Boeing will conduct a prototype flight demonstration in the first quarter of 2008, using a modified 480-gallon centerline fuel tank to house the IRST system. The modified fuel tank provides a cost effective, software-only integration approach, requiring no structural or wiring changes to the aircraft. This supports potential integration of IRST on existing and future F/A-18E/F/G aircraft.

The production system will contain more than 330 gallons of fuel in addition to providing the IRST capability. First production deliveries of IRST systems are expected in 2012, with initial operational capability anticipated in 2013.

[Penguin]

Current upgrades delivered in the Block Two configuration include:

- Active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar
- Advanced targeting forward-looking infrared (ATFLIR) system
- Joint-helmet mounted cueing system (JHMCS)
- Multifunctional information distribution system (MIDS)
- Advanced aft crew station
- Fibre channel switch for increased data processing capability
- Fully integrated weapons systems and sensors for reduced crew workload and increased capability.

[Penguin]

Air Force researchers at Eglin AFB, Fla., and Raytheon engineers are working on the AIM-120C-6, which has a warhead specialized for head-on attack of small, slow-flying targets; the AIM-120C-7 that adds the ability to anticipate a cruise missile's flight path for a more efficient intercept, and the AIM-120D with longer range and the ability to maneuver vigorously at the end of its flight (AW&ST Feb. 12, p. 24).

[Carlos Mathias]

Prá nós vem esse AIM-120D?

[PRick]

Prá nós vem esse AIM-120D?

O CM virou um torturador ling-ling refinado , enfia calmamente aqueles palitos de bambú embaixo das unhas dos americanófilos e derivados, depois é só por a mão do coitado dentro da água!

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[Penguin]

Prá nós vem esse AIM-120D?

O CM virou um torturador ling-ling refinado , enfia calmamente aqueles palitos de bambú embaixo das unhas dos americanófilos e derivados, depois é só por a mão do coitado dentro da água!

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Ele esta habituado com as versoes "E" dos russos. Esta escaldado.

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[Penguin]

AIM-120: 33 usuarios - F-15, F-16, F-18, F-22, F-4F, Sea Harrier, AV-8B+, Gripen, Typhoon.
Mica: 5 usuarios: Mirage 2000 e Rafale.

[Luís Henrique]

Opa e ae galera,quanto ao novo posso até ser mas acompanho esse forum a ums 8 meses já mas decidi fazer cadastro so agora.
Mesmo a versão NG a autonomia dele nem se compara com a do SH e ou Rafale o meu preferido era o SU-35 simplismente porque as necessidades da Rússia são semelhantes as do Brasil mas já que não deu...

"3) Quanto ao F-18E: É um baita avião, concordo. Mas, sobre a alta flexibilidade de armamentos...fala sério. Todo o leque de armamentos do F-18E é americano...aí brother, a coisa pega.

Um abraço."

Aí é que ta o ponto o F-18 pode ser equipado com armas brasileiras mas cabe ao governo decidir o que ele vai querer se o governo quiser AIM-120 + AIM7 + AIM-9X(isso é um exemplo) não é porque o caça não aceita Derby ou Python e sim porque o governo quis,mas ele aceita sim outros armamentos.

Resumindo:Eu não tenho nada contra o Gripen só acho que para as necessidades do Brasil não é uma boa opção,volto a repetir a melhor seria SU-35 mas a segunda melhor na minha opinião é o F-18(grande quantidade de combustível,leva muitas armas,maior radar(AESA,todos os três tem AESA),só peca na manobrabilidade que não é ruim mais é um pouquinho inferior ao Rafale e ao Gripen MAS hoje em dia os combates são travados em BVR a manobrabilidade so serve para DOG.

Flw

O F-18E tem menor alcance global que o Rafale, leva menos armas, 8 toneladas contra 9,5, e seu radar AESA não é melhor que o do Rafale AESA, e não tem o FSO. Manobra pior, mais caro de manter, enfim perde em tudo. É o pior dos 03 caças da short list.

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Não concordo.

Ele é melhor que o Gripen...