Marinha Indiana

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video do PA sendo reposto a flutuar
http://www.zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/0024221/

(do mp.net)

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Russia Likely to Lease 'Shchuka-B' Class Nuke Subs to India


(Source: ddi Indian Government news; issued Dec. 15, 2008)



Russia could lease 'several' 'Shchuka-B' class nuclear attack submarines to India in coming years though the delivery of the first of the two nuke subs reportedly contracted by India is far behind schedule.

The Russian offer comes as Indian Navy has formulated a 20 year plan to produce indigenously 24 conventional submarines.

At the same time, the official had ruled out any plans by Moscow to strike similar deals with China. "Yes, there is a real possibility of leasing for ten years several of our nuclear powered multi-role submarines of Project 971 of 'Shchuka-B' class," the Director of Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS) Mikhail Dmitriyev was quoted as saying by ITAR-TASS. (Note: NATO designation is Akula class—Ed.)

The Russian offer comes as Indian Navy has formulated a 20 year plan to produce indigenously 24 conventional submarines.

New Delhi had also contracted for two nuclear submarines from Moscow, but navy has projected that in the next 10 years India would need to acquire or build another 10-12 nuclear subs.

These nuclear submarines would be similar to the 'Nerpa' class, which was involved in an accident in November during final sea trials in Sea of Japan.

"This possibility can materialise in the coming years," he added.

Dmitriyev also denied that Moscow was negotiating supply of nuclear submarines to China. "The question of supply of our multi role nuclear submarines to China does not exist, as unlike India, China never asked for them. That's why we never negotiated with China on their lease or sale," Dmitriyev said.

"This issue was also not raised at the Russian-Chinese Intergovernmental Commission session on December 11 in Beijing," he said.

The offer is only for leasing of the submarines to the Indian navy and not their sale to India, Dmitriyev specified.

According to earlier reports, under a deal as part of the larger Gorshkov aircraft carrier package, Russia was to lease two "Shchuka-B" (NATO codename -Akula-II) nuclear attack submarines to India.

Until the last-month's accident on board 'Nerpa' nuclear submarine, when 21 crew and technical staff suffocated to death due to accidental release of toxic Freon gas used in fire-suppressing system, Moscow was silent on the deal.

Built on advances reportedly paid by the Indian government, the nuclear submarine is expected to join Indian Navy as 'INS Chakra' sometime next year, sources said.

They claimed that India's advanced technology vessel (ATV) project to develop an indigenous nuclear submarine was based on the Russian 'Shchuka-B' design.

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bi ... le=release

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Google on line translate :

The Indian delegation will visit Moscow for the completion of negotiations on the cost of upgrading "Admiral Gorshkov"

MOSCOW, January 13. (ARMS-TASS). In order to complete negotiations on the cost of upgrading "Admiral Gorshkov" Government of India has plans to soon send a team to Moscow.

According to the "Hindu", the Indian defense establishment had to agree to an increase in value because it has already made an advance payment, while the gap arrangement and the search for a new contractor for the construction or purchase of the aircraft carrier has finished no time. According to experts, the price on the world market a new aircraft carrier of this class ranges from 3 to 4 billion dollars.

An agreement signed in 2004 worth some 1.5 billion dollars provided for the allocation of 974 million dollars for rehabilitation and modernization "Admiral Gorshkov" and 530 million dollars to supply 16 MiG-29K and antisubmarine helicopters Ka-31 and Ka-27. Originally, that the aircraft carrier, will enter the Indian Navy to 15 August 2008, but due to various technical problems, deadlines were moved by more than four years - in 2012. In addition, at the end of 2007 the Russian side raised the issue of the underestimation of the work and extra pay for the upgrade to 2 billion U.S. dollars.

To date, the restoration of the shell "Admiral Gorshkov" has been completed. The withdrawal of the vessel from the dry dock was in the middle of November 2008. According to the manual "Sevmash 'willingness to ship is 49%. In the case of smooth financing, "Sevmash" plans to complete the modernization of the factory and begin testing the aircraft carrier in the Barents Sea in 2011. The ship is scheduled to fully convert in early 2012, after which it will begin acceptance testing. At the end of 2012, "Admiral Gorshkov" to be fully ready for the transfer of the Navy of India.

The only Indian Navy aircraft carrier "Viraat" (the former British light aircraft carrier Hermes built 1959), for the replacement of which was contracted to upgrade "Admiral Gorshkov", is almost entirely developed a resource and should be written off in 2012.

http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=64921&cid=24

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Modelo do Futuro PA Indiano de fabrico local (IAC- Indian Aircraft Carrier) , em display no AERO INDIA 2009

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India's indigenous N-sub secret is out
Mail Today Bureau
New Delhi, February 13, 2009


The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has added a feather to its cap. It is delivering on schedule— in 2009— India's first indigenously built nuclear powered submarine (SSBN) as it had promised at the beginning of the United Progressive Alliance's (UPA) term in office.

The secret of the indigenous nuclear submarine programme seems to be finally out. Defence minister A. K. Antony has confirmed what was being speculated all this while - that the country is ready to launch the third arm of its nuclear triad.

India is getting a batch of submarine launched ballistic missiles (SLBM) and submarine- launched cruise missiles (SLCM), ready to wed with the SSBNs, which would presumably be nuclear tipped. This would, in turn, underline the deterrence posture of the nuclear weapons programme providing it a failsafe 'second strike' capability.

But this would also entail fundamental change in the country's nuclear weapons policies for the peculiar nature of nuclear submarine deployment.

A nuclear submarine remains submerged underwater for most of its deployment period thus making communication difficult especially in times of a national emergency.

A nuclear submarine commander is therefore armed with a separate launch regimen that is qualitatively different from those used above ground.

Hence, when India launches its nuclear submarine, reportedly three, it would have to put in place launch codes that would provide a degree of autonomy to the commanders. This, in turn, would change the deployment pattern of at least a portion of the country's nuclear forces to 'ready arsenal'. This would require a political decision.

The Indian development is important in terms of the changing Chinese deployment by which they are modernising their nuclear submarine fleet, putting into waters the refurbished Xia class and a new Jin class.

The country had been working on the submarine, coyly termed Advanced Technology Vehicle (ATV) since 1985. The design is reportedly based on the old Charlie II- class submarine - a former Soviet make.

The programme was bedevilled with problems in developing a reactor suitable for the platform and then, building a containment vessel for the reactor. The attack submarine design is said to have a 4,000- ton displacement and a single- shaft, home- built nuclear power plant.

The estimated speed of the vessel is 12- 15 knots on surface, and 30- 34 knots submerged.

The reactor is of the pressurised water variety.

The nuclear submarine would beef up the country's presence in the Indian Ocean.

It brings to fruition a programme that was kicked off under the leadership of the late Rajiv Gandhi who had leased a Charlie- class nuclear submarine that was renamed in 1988 as INS Chakra.

http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/index ... 2&Itemid=1

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Modelo do Futuro PA Indiano de fabrico local (IAC- Indian Aircraft Carrier) , em display no AERO INDIA 2009

Não é este o PA de desenho taliano que eles estão a construir?

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sim, será construido com o apoio da Itália (Fincantieri)

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/IAC.html

Defense News and Jane's Defence Weekly (JDW) both reported in July/August 2004, that the Ministry of Defence awarded a $30 million contract to Fincantieri's Naval Vessel Business Unit to help prepare concept, design and implementation plans for the vessel. The company will also provide designs to integrate the propulsion system, engine room layouts and overall validation of systems, besides conducting sea trials. DCN International (now DCNS) of France and Izar Construcciones Navales (now Navantia) of Spain also sent in their bids, however Fincantieri SpA of Italy was awarded the contract. This is an interesting development, since the contract for an original design study for the vessel was signed with DCNS in 1989. The design & construction of the Italian Navy's Cavour Class aircraft carrier, reportedly tipped the scales in favour of the Italian shipyard winning the contract. A team of IN and CSL engineers & technicians will work in tandem with their counterparts at Fincantieri in Italy over the next two years to finalise the vessel design, as well as its propulsion systems and main power plants. The company will provide technical assistance during the construction of the vessel and also during sea trials. Naval officials however stated that assistance from Fincantieri will continue until the vessel's commissioning. The hull and landing deck are to be built by Larsen & Tubro Limited.

ps- correcção , o "I" de IAC não é de "Indian" mas sim de "Indigenous"

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sim, será construido com o apoio da Itália (Fincantieri)

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/IAC.html

Defense News and Jane's Defence Weekly (JDW) both reported in July/August 2004, that the Ministry of Defence awarded a $30 million contract to Fincantieri's Naval Vessel Business Unit to help prepare concept, design and implementation plans for the vessel. The company will also provide designs to integrate the propulsion system, engine room layouts and overall validation of systems, besides conducting sea trials. DCN International (now DCNS) of France and Izar Construcciones Navales (now Navantia) of Spain also sent in their bids, however Fincantieri SpA of Italy was awarded the contract. This is an interesting development, since the contract for an original design study for the vessel was signed with DCNS in 1989. The design & construction of the Italian Navy's Cavour Class aircraft carrier, reportedly tipped the scales in favour of the Italian shipyard winning the contract. A team of IN and CSL engineers & technicians will work in tandem with their counterparts at Fincantieri in Italy over the next two years to finalise the vessel design, as well as its propulsion systems and main power plants. The company will provide technical assistance during the construction of the vessel and also during sea trials. Naval officials however stated that assistance from Fincantieri will continue until the vessel's commissioning. The hull and landing deck are to be built by Larsen & Tubro Limited.

ps- correcção , o "I" de IAC não é de "Indian" mas sim de "Indigenous"

Em ingrês(sic) não é tudo igual? Tudo coisa de índio!

Olha não consigo entender essa confusão, eles não estão com o tal SNA Indigena. Para quê estão alugando a bagaça russa? Esse Tejas é caça de decolagem convencional, os caras vão usar ele num NAe para caças de decolagem vertical? Muito estranho esses indígenas!

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Esse Tejas é caça de decolagem convencional, os caras vão usar ele num NAe para caças de decolagem vertical? Muito estranho esses indígenas!

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Muito estranha é a sua observação. Fiquei sem perceber se foi fruto de ignorância pura ou por outro motivo que não vislumbro.
Um Forum é um lugar onde todos procuramos aprender alguma coisa, há sempre algo que desconhecemos, ninguém sabe tudo mas para aprendermos é preciso que as informações que damos estejam correctas e não que sejam fruto do primeiro disparate que nos passa pela cabeça e a sua afirmação é um tremendo disparate. E porquê?
Em primeiro lugar não existem porta-aviões para caças de descolagem vertical. Se estava a referir-se aos Harrier, eles não descolam na vertical dos porta-aviões (embora em caso de necessidade o possam fazer) mas são projectados para o ar com a ajuda de um trampolim, tecnicamente designado por ski-jump (e não sky-jump como às vezes se lê). Aterram é verticalmente daí a sigla STOVL (Short Take Off and Vertical Landing). Será o caso dos futuros porta-aviões da Grã-Bretanha. Mas os futuros porta-aviões indianos não são porta-aviões deste tipo. São sim do tipo STOBAR (Short Take Off But ARrested), ou seja os aviões são convencionais, descolam com a ajuda de um ski-jump, dispensando as catapultas, o que para um porta-aviões médio não é prejudicial e aterram convencionalmente numa pista oblíqua com a ajuda de cabos de travagem tal e qual o vosso São Paulo. Resta acrescentar que os aviões previstos para serem utilizados nestes porta-aviões são o Tejas e o Mig-29K. Não percebi portanto o motivo do seu gozo.
Quanto ao seu trocadilho entre indian e indigenous é tão infeliz que nem me vou dar ao trabalho de comentar.

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Esse Tejas é caça de decolagem convencional, os caras vão usar ele num NAe para caças de decolagem vertical? Muito estranho esses indígenas!

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Muito estranha é a sua observação. Fiquei sem perceber se foi fruto de ignorância pura ou por outro motivo que não vislumbro.
Um Forum é um lugar onde todos procuramos aprender alguma coisa, há sempre algo que desconhecemos, ninguém sabe tudo mas para aprendermos é preciso que as informações que damos estejam correctas e não que sejam fruto do primeiro disparate que nos passa pela cabeça e a sua afirmação é um tremendo disparate. E porquê?
Em primeiro lugar não existem porta-aviões para caças de descolagem vertical. Se estava a referir-se aos Harrier, eles não descolam na vertical dos porta-aviões (embora em caso de necessidade o possam fazer) mas são projectados para o ar com a ajuda de um trampolim, tecnicamente designado por ski-jump (e não sky-jump como às vezes se lê). Aterram é verticalmente daí a sigla STOVL (Short Take Off and Vertical Landing). Será o caso dos futuros porta-aviões da Grã-Bretanha. Mas os futuros porta-aviões indianos não são porta-aviões deste tipo. São sim do tipo STOBAR (Short Take Off But ARrested), ou seja os aviões são convencionais, descolam com a ajuda de um ski-jump, dispensando as catapultas, o que para um porta-aviões médio não é prejudicial e aterram convencionalmente numa pista oblíqua com a ajuda de cabos de travagem tal e qual o vosso São Paulo. Resta acrescentar que os aviões previstos para serem utilizados nestes porta-aviões são o Tejas e o Mig-29K. Não percebi portanto o motivo do seu gozo.
Quanto ao seu trocadilho entre indian e indigenous é tão infeliz que nem me vou dar ao trabalho de comentar.

Oras, parte do meu post era jocoso, se você não gosta nada posso fazer, quanto ao resto do seu post não concordo.

A definição do Harrier é caça de decolagem e pouso vertical, é claro podem decolar e pousar como aeronaves convencionais, mais aí não teria diferença. A introdução do chamado trampolim foi feita para aumenta a capacidade e carga das aeronaves de decolagem vertical.

Existem sim NAe feitos para esse tipo de aeronaves, e os de projetos italianos são desse tipo e não Stolbar, que são modelos introduzidos pelos russos. Porém, se o projeto é italiano, terá que ser adaptado. O que seria normal, dado ao alinhamento Indiano, é um projeto russo, porque foram os primeiro utilizadores de tais NAes. Ao contrário dos modelos italianos, o NAe russo em uso, tem pista de pouso em ângulo, com aparelhos de parado, coisa que não estão presentos nos tipos STVOL.

Quanto aos futuros NAe´s da RN, não fazem parte do debate, porém, enquanto usarem F-35B, são NAes de uso para aeronaves de pouco e decolagem vertical. Se forem alterados ou usarem outras aeronaves, aí sim, seria necessário alterar sua classificação.

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Modelo do Futuro PA Indiano de fabrico local (IAC- Indian Aircraft Carrier) , em display no AERO INDIA 2009

Putz, parece um "Cruzador do Império"!

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Oras, parte do meu post era jocoso, se você não gosta nada posso fazer, quanto ao resto do seu post não concordo.

A definição do Harrier é caça de decolagem e pouso vertical, é claro podem decolar e pousar como aeronaves convencionais, mais aí não teria diferença. A introdução do chamado trampolim foi feita para aumenta a capacidade e carga das aeronaves de decolagem vertical.

Existem sim NAe feitos para esse tipo de aeronaves, e os de projetos italianos são desse tipo e não Stolbar, que são modelos introduzidos pelos russos. Porém, se o projeto é italiano, terá que ser adaptado. O que seria normal, dado ao alinhamento Indiano, é um projeto russo, porque foram os primeiro utilizadores de tais NAes. Ao contrário dos modelos italianos, o NAe russo em uso, tem pista de pouso em ângulo, com aparelhos de parado, coisa que não estão presentos nos tipos STVOL.

Quanto aos futuros NAe´s da RN, não fazem parte do debate, porém, enquanto usarem F-35B, são NAes de uso para aeronaves de pouco e decolagem vertical. Se forem alterados ou usarem outras aeronaves, aí sim, seria necessário alterar sua classificação.

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Há coisas com as quais não se deve brincar e a dignidade das pessoas é uma delas. Ponto final.

Quanto ao resto do seu post, só veio demonstrar que afinal a sua afirmação resulta de falta de informação e ao fazer uma afirmação falsa enganou muita gente que confiou nos seus pretensos conhecimentos.
É verdade que o Harrier é um avião que pode descolar verticalmente mas raramente o faz, só os Harrier que estavam colocados na Alemanha e dispersos numa floresta o faziam. Num porta-aviões não está previsto que o façam, nem nos porta-aviões com ski jump nem nos LHD e LHA americanos sem ski jump. Se é certo que os aviões podem descolar na vertical não o fazem e na realidade não existem porta-aviões construídos para esse efeito. Existem sim porta-aviões construídos para aviões de aterragem vertical e não descolagem vertical. Fazer essa afirmação como você o fez é jogar com as palavras para justificar a sua afirmação e não corresponde à realidade. No entanto a discussão é sobre os pretensos porta-aviões indianos de descolagem vertical que na realidade não existem e o mais grave é e vou citar :

Existem sim NAe feitos para esse tipo de aeronaves, e os de projetos italianos são desse tipo e não Stolbar, que são modelos introduzidos pelos russos. Porém, se o projeto é italiano, terá que ser adaptado. O que seria normal, dado ao alinhamento Indiano, é um projeto russo, porque foram os primeiro utilizadores de tais NAes. Ao contrário dos modelos italianos, o NAe russo em uso, tem pista de pouso em ângulo, com aparelhos de parado, coisa que não estão presentos nos tipos STVOL.

Esta sua afirmação demonstra a sua ignorância sobre o assunto. Em primeiro lugar você tem o péssimo hábito de por na boca dos outros, neste caso na pena, afirmações que não foram produzidas. Eu nunca disse que os porta-aviões italianos eram STOBAR, aliás nem sequer falei neles, você é que falou. Pelos vistos ignora que a ajuda italiana centrou-se principalmente no projecto da casa das máquinas e que os novos porta-aviões são em tudo idênticos ao R 33 Vikramaditya (ex-Admiral Gorshkov, ex-Baku), com ski jump com 14º e uma pista oblíqua com 3 cabos de travagem, ou utilizando as suas palavras, têm pista de pouso em ângulo, com aparelhos de parado. Não são idênticos aos porta-aviões italianos mas sim aos russos, utilizando os mesmos aviões que o Vikramaditya, ou seja os Tejas e os Mig-29K.

Procurei no meu ficheiro e encontrei estes esquemas deles que espero dissipem as dúvidas que esta discussão possa ter produzido em alguns companheiros que leram os nossos posts.

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Press Information Bureau
Government of India


Thursday, February 26, 2009
Ministry of Defence

KEEL LAYING OF INDIGENOUS AIRCRAFT CARRIER
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15:37 IST

Keel laying of Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC), one of the major milestones IN Indian shipbuilding, is scheduled on 28 Feb 09 by Hon’ble Raksha Mantri, shri A K Anthony.

The design and construction of Indigenous Aircraft Carrier was sanctioned by the Govt. of India in Jan 2003. This is the most prestigious project, which the Indian Navy has taken up in-house so far. The design and construction of this ship is a technical complexity whose dimensions far outstrip any such challenge faced hitherto by the Indian Naval Designers. With this project, India has become the 4th nation to join the select club of 40,000 T plus aircraft carrier designers and builders. Indigenous Aircraft Carrier designed by Navy’s Design Organisation and being built at M/s Cochin Shipyard Limited would be capable of operating an aircraft mix of Russian MiG-29K, Ka31 and indigenous LCA.

The ship has a length of 260 m and max breadth of 60 m. The ship will be propelled by two shafts, each coupled to two LM2500 Gas Turbines developing a total power of 80 MW, sufficient to attain speeds in excess of 28 knots. The ship has an endurance of around 8,000 NM and complement of 1600. The ship will have two takeoff runways and a landing strip with 3 arrester wires. It can carry a maximum of 30 aircraft with adequate hangarage capacity. The carrier is designed with a very high degree of automation for machinery operation, ship navigation and survivability.

The production of Indigenous Aircraft Carrier commenced in Nov 06 and large numbers of blocks have already been fabricated, which are under erection. Major equipment to be installed in lower decks of the ship have been ordered. The ship is being constructed using high strength steel developed in-house with the help of DRDO and SAIL. Long Range Surface to Air Missile (LR SAM) system with Multi-Function Radar (MFR) and Close In Weapon System (CIWS) is envisaged for the carrier. The ship will be equipped with the most modern C/D band early Air Warning Radar, V/UHF Tactical Air Navigational and Direction Finding systems. The carrier would also be having jamming capabilities over the expected Electro Magnetic (EM) environment, along with Carrier Control Approach Radars to aid air operations. Integration of all weapon systems onboard the carrier would be through an indigenous Combat Management System (CMS).The ship’s integration with Navy’s Network Centric Operations would provide forced multiplication.

Design of this prestigious ship has been undertaken by the Directorate of Naval Design (DND) which has an experience of over 40 years in successfully designing 17 different classes of warships, to which around 90 ships have already been built within the country. It is also pertinent to mention that DND is the only Govt. organisation in the world today undertaking indigenous design of warships. Delhi class destroyers are the biggest warships built so far to indigenous design. These ships are operating successfully over last 10 years and have demonstrated their design superiority when INS Delhi withstood extremely adverse weather conditions and high sea states while encountering typhoons during the ship’s passage in the South China Sea in 1995.

M/s CSL was chosen for building Indigenous Aircraft Carrier, based on its modern infrastructural facilities. Though this is the maiden venture for CSL in warship construction, the shipyard has been involved in commercial shipbuilding for the past three decades.

In order to optimize on build period of IAC, CSL has been provided with exceeding Rs 200 Crores to augment infrastructure in areas such as large cranes, workshops, heavy duty machinery etc.

The ship construction is planned in 02 phases. 1st phase covers work upto first launch in end 2010. 2nd phase would cover all balance work till delivery of the ship to the Navy in end 2014. Assistance for propulsion system integration and aviation aspects have been taken from M/s Fincantieri of Italy and M/s NDB of Russia respectively.

NKS/AKR


Artist's impressions of the new INS Vikrant from Shiv Aroor's blog.

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