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#1501 Mensagem por P44 » Ter Jul 22, 2008 9:34 am

Turquia encomenda 6 (SEIS!!!!) U-214 á Alemanha!!!!!!!!!!!!
U-Boot-Auftrag über 2,5 Mrd Euro für HDW/MFI
Dienstag, 22. Juli 2008, 11:24 Uhr Diesen Artikel drucken[-] Text [+]
Ankara (Reuters) - Die Türkei will nach offiziellen Angaben sechs neue U-Boote der U-214-Klasse von der ThyssenKrupp-Tochter HDW/MFI kaufen.

Verteidigungsminister Vecdi Gönül bezifferte das Volumen des Geschäfts am Dienstag auf rund 2,5 Milliarden Euro. Der Auftrag sei Teil einer Modernisierung der türkischen Marineflotte. Mit dem Zuschlag setzte sich HDW/MFI gegen den zum französischen Thales-Konzern gehörenden Konkurrenten DCNS sowie gegen die spanische Navantia durch.
http://de.reuters.com/article/companies ... 6220080722

Turkey orders 6 submarines from HDW in $3.97 bln deal

ANKARA July 22 (Reuters) - NATO-member Turkey said on Tuesday it will order six new U-214 class submarines from Germany's HDW <TKAG.F> in a deal worth around 2.5 billion euros ($3.97 billion) as part of an upgrade of its naval fleet. Defence Minister Vecdi Gonul told reporters the first new air-independent but non-nuclear submarine would be delivered in 2015. The two other bidders for the contract were France's DCNS, which is 25 percent owned by defence electronics company Thales <TCFP.PA>, and the Spanish government shipbuilder Navantia SA. The deal was won by HDW/MFI, a joint venture between Thyssen Krupp's HDW unit and UK-based Marine Force International. It was not immediately clear the size of MFI's part of the deal although the big part of the deal was from HDW.


(Reporting by Zerin Elci; Writing by Paul de Bendern; editing by Sue Thomas)
22 July 2008




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#1502 Mensagem por cabeça de martelo » Qua Jul 23, 2008 1:38 pm

DDG 1000 Program Will End At Two Ships
By christopher p. cavas
Published: 22 Jul 19:01 EDT (23:01 GMT) Print | Email

The once-vaunted Zumwalt-class DDG 1000 advanced destroyer program - projected in the late 1990s to produce 32 new ships and subsequently downscaled to a seven-ship class - will instead turn out only two ships, according to highly-placed sources in the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill.



Instead of more DDG 1000s, the U.S. Navy will continue to build more Arleigh Burke-class DDG 51 destroyers, construction of which had been slated to end in 2012. (Northrop Grumman)

Top U.S. Navy and Pentagon brass met July 22 to make the decision, which means the service will ask Congress to drop the request for the third ship in the 2009 defense budget and forego plans to ask for the remaining four ships.

Each of the two ships now under contract will be built, according to the new decision. That means the General Dynamics Bath Iron Works shipyard in Bath, Maine will build the Zumwalt, DDG 1000, and Northrop Grumman's Ingalls yard in Pascagoula, Miss., will construct the yet-to-be-named DDG 1001.

According to sources, the Navy also considered canceling the second DDG 1000 and building just one, but potentially high cancellation costs led to the decision to keep the ship.

The reprogramming decision was made at a conference July 22 hosted by Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England and attended by Navy Secretary Donald Winter, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Gary Roughead and Pentagon acquisition chief John Young.

Officials were busy throughout the day and into the evening making personal phone calls to senators, congressmen and government and industry officials notifying them of the decision. Initial reaction on Capitol Hill seemed to be largely positive.

The move appears to be based on fears that potential cost overruns on the Zumwalts - estimated to cost about $3.3 billion for each of the two lead ships - could threaten other Navy shipbuilding programs. The service declined comment on the July 22 decision, but in a statement released July 17, Navy spokesman Lt. Clay Doss provided some insight.

"We need traction and stability in our combatant lines to reach 313 ships, and we should not raid the combatant line to fund other shipbuilding priorities," Doss said. "Even if we did not receive funding for the DDG 1000 class beyond the first two ships, the technology embedded in DDG 1000 will advance the Navy's future surface combatants."

If the fears that rising costs could torpedo other new ships are indeed behind the decision, it is a tacit recognition that repeated warnings by budget experts from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), Congressional Research Service (CRS) and the Government Accountability Office that the ships face huge potential cost overruns - up to $5 billion each and more - were correct.

Ron O'Rourke of CRS testified March 14 before the House Seapower subcommittee that cost overruns on the first two ships could drive their combined cost to $10.2 billion - an increase of $3.9 billion. Using CBO's figures, O'Rourke pointed out that the remaining five ships, projected by the Navy to cost about $12.8 billion, would likely jump about $8 billion.

"The combined cost growth for all seven ships would be roughly $11.8 billion in then-year dollars, which is a figure roughly comparable to the total amount of funding in Shipbuilding and Conversion, Navy (SCN) appropriation account in certain recent years," O'Rourke testified at the hearing.

Publicly the Navy has long resisted the notion of building more DDG 51s, noting no more of the ships were needed - the class had been planned to end with the 62nd ship - and significant improvements to the design were hard to come by. But in March acting Navy acquisition chief John Thackrah told an audience that the service was looking at working in to the design a new SPY-3 radar to replace the current SPY-1 Aegis arrays, and the Navy also has studied fitting the 155mm Advanced Gun System into the DDG 51 hull. Both systems are part of the DDG 1000 design.

While it is not clear how many more 51s will be built, all sides seem in agreement that the majority of the hulls will go to Bath, which builds only destroyers. Northrop's Ingalls yard, in addition to destroyer construction, remains busy building three classes of amphibious ships and the Coast Guard's new National Security Cutter, and is still working to rebuild its infrastructure following damage from 2005's Hurricane Katrina.

"Bath will have to get the majority of these DDG 51s," said one source familiar with the situation. "They won't be able to go 50-50 with Pascagoula. Ingalls doesn't have the work force right now and Bath needs them."

Depending on the price of the new 51s, anywhere from 8 to 11 ships could be provided over the six-year future years defense plan. "They may continue to build these for the foreseeable future," the source said. "Nothing wrong with the hull, that is a good ship."




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#1503 Mensagem por Túlio » Qua Jul 23, 2008 2:06 pm

Eu estou dizendo, eles estão recuando, seu orçamento está indo pro saco, a crise pegou os desgranhudos pelo garrão, podem contar charlas de outros tipos de navios, a verdade é que o $$$ está começando a escassear...

Excelentes notícias, F22 ou exporta ou acaba, agora o DDG, vem mais, aposto!




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#1504 Mensagem por cabeça de martelo » Qua Jul 23, 2008 2:30 pm

Acaba, afinal eles já construiram todos os que o governo queria.




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#1505 Mensagem por gral » Qua Jul 23, 2008 5:38 pm

O boato que eu tinha ouvido era que iam cancelar todos menos um, e construir mais Arleigh Burkes(a conta que eu tinha ouvido é que você poderia construir 11 Arleigh Burkes com o dinheiro necessário para construir os 7 Zumwalts)




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#1506 Mensagem por WalterGaudério » Qua Jul 23, 2008 7:23 pm

P44 escreveu:Turquia encomenda 6 (SEIS!!!!) U-214 á Alemanha!!!!!!!!!!!!
U-Boot-Auftrag über 2,5 Mrd Euro für HDW/MFI
Dienstag, 22. Juli 2008, 11:24 Uhr Diesen Artikel drucken[-] Text [+]
Ankara (Reuters) - Die Türkei will nach offiziellen Angaben sechs neue U-Boote der U-214-Klasse von der ThyssenKrupp-Tochter HDW/MFI kaufen.

Verteidigungsminister Vecdi Gönül bezifferte das Volumen des Geschäfts am Dienstag auf rund 2,5 Milliarden Euro. Der Auftrag sei Teil einer Modernisierung der türkischen Marineflotte. Mit dem Zuschlag setzte sich HDW/MFI gegen den zum französischen Thales-Konzern gehörenden Konkurrenten DCNS sowie gegen die spanische Navantia durch.
http://de.reuters.com/article/companies ... 6220080722

Turkey orders 6 submarines from HDW in $3.97 bln deal

ANKARA July 22 (Reuters) - NATO-member Turkey said on Tuesday it will order six new U-214 class submarines from Germany's HDW <TKAG.F> in a deal worth around 2.5 billion euros ($3.97 billion) as part of an upgrade of its naval fleet. Defence Minister Vecdi Gonul told reporters the first new air-independent but non-nuclear submarine would be delivered in 2015. The two other bidders for the contract were France's DCNS, which is 25 percent owned by defence electronics company Thales <TCFP.PA>, and the Spanish government shipbuilder Navantia SA. The deal was won by HDW/MFI, a joint venture between Thyssen Krupp's HDW unit and UK-based Marine Force International. It was not immediately clear the size of MFI's part of the deal although the big part of the deal was from HDW.


(Reporting by Zerin Elci; Writing by Paul de Bendern; editing by Sue Thomas)
22 July 2008
Espertinhos esses turcos eim? Primeiro eles deixaram os gregos se danarem "testando" os IKL-214 para depois os comprarem sem maiores riscos...

Umhhhh..., estamos fazendo o mesmo :lol: :lol: :lol: com os indianos?




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#1507 Mensagem por Túlio » Qua Jul 23, 2008 10:39 pm

Uma amiga me disse no MSN que o ASTRA é furada... 8-]




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#1508 Mensagem por P44 » Qui Jul 24, 2008 5:41 am

DDG 1000 Program Will End At Two Ships
de 32...para 2

até no LCS o 3º foi cancelado, na Inglaterra o T45 passou de 12, para 8, para 6...

A Guerrinha do sr. bush está a dar "resultados"




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#1510 Mensagem por P44 » Qui Jul 24, 2008 9:47 am

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The US Navy informed Congress on Wednesday that it will cancel the DDG 1000 program, Reuters reported July 23 citing lawmakers, despite having spent more than $10 billion on its development. No official confirmation has yet been issued. (US Navy photo)

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#1511 Mensagem por Bolovo » Qui Jul 24, 2008 9:57 am

Graças a Deus vão cancelar o navio mais feio do mundo. [000] [003]




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#1512 Mensagem por P44 » Qui Jul 24, 2008 10:03 am

ainda não consegui perceber se é um cancelamento completo ou se sempre irão construir 2

mas dá a sensação que é o cancelamento total (?)

Navy cancels $20b purchase of destroyers
Move hits Raytheon hard, imperils Bath shipyard jobs


Email|Print|Single Page| Text size – + By Robert Weisman and Bryan Bender
Globe Staff / July 24, 2008

A stunning Navy decision to abort a $20 billion plan for a new fleet of destroyers yesterday threw into question the future of Raytheon Co.'s largest defense program and renewed longstanding concerns about the fate of the Bath Iron Works shipyard in Maine.

Graphic The DDG-1000
Waltham-based Raytheon is the prime contractor for the ship's combat systems, which are being developed at its Tewksbury and Andover plants. Assembly work on the guided-missile destroyers was to have been divided between the 124-year-old Bath shipyard, owned by General Dynamics Corp., and a yard in Mississippi.

Cancellation of the 14,000-ton, Zumwalt-class destroyer, called the DDG-1000, after just two ships were funded, was made public by Maine's two Republican senators, Olympia J. Snowe and Susan M. Collins, and US Representative Thomas H. Allen, a Democrat whose district includes the Bath shipyard. The lawmakers said they were informed by top Navy officials that with costs rising 50 percent, to $3 bil lion per ship, the program has become too expensive and would make it impossible for the Navy to meet its overall goal of a 313-ship fleet. The service currently has about 280 ships.

The lawmakers said they were also told that the Navy had concluded the destroyer's design was not well suited to combating the evolving threat of long-range missiles.

Navy representatives declined to confirm they were scrapping the program, nor would spokesmen for Raytheon and General Dynamics.

"We won't discuss the content of our internal budget briefings," Lieutenant Clay Doss, a Navy spokesman, said yesterday. "That said, we continue to discuss all options to develop the surface ship force for the future that will meet all identified requirements."

The news set off a flurry of activity. Dugan Shipway, Bath Iron Works president, flew to Washington yesterday to discuss the impact of the cancellation with Maine lawmakers. The lawmakers and their staffs scheduled a series of meetings with the Navy to get more answers.

Collins, after meeting with Shipway, said the Navy plans instead to build more of the older Arleigh Burke class of destroyers, designated the DDG-51s. Some of those may be built at Bath, which would offset the loss of the DDG-1000 program. But she said the shipyard would have to be guaranteed the work on virtually all the additional DDG-51s to maintain its current workload and prevent job losses.

Allen said he was assured by Navy officials that the service would request funds to construct an additional nine DDG-51s through fiscal year 2015. "I am confident that the return to the DDG-51 program will maintain a stable workforce at Bath for years to come," Allen said. Employment at the Bath Iron Works shipyard has dropped to less than 6,000 from a post-World War II peak of 12,000 in 1991.


Raytheon, meanwhile, has assigned about 2,000 employees - in Tewksbury, Andover, Portsmouth, R.I., and elsewhere - to work on the new destroyer's combat systems. The company had counted on the Zumwalt program to help catapult it into the ranks of top military contractors, which not only build weapons but integrate sophisticated technology into larger systems. It was the biggest of the company's thousands of military contracting programs.

The older Arleigh Burke models, which cost less than half the price of the DDG-1000s, have combat systems developed by a Raytheon rival, Lockheed Martin Corp.

"A decision to stop DDG-1000 procurement and restart DDG-51 could shift combat system work from Raytheon to Lockheed," said Ronald O'Rourke, a naval specialist at the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, the research arm of Congress.

Jonathan D. Kasle, a Raytheon spokesman, said the company planned to continue its work on combat systems for the two destroyers that have been funded. But he suggested the new systems might also be used in other Navy vessels.

"We don't believe the Navy can afford to put old technologies onto any ships," he said. "Zumwalt technologies advance mission capabilities to address current and evolving threats, and support a necessary trend to lower ship personnel levels in an effort to reduce operating costs. These technologies can be leveraged for future or existing ships."

Raytheon has not disclosed how much in total it has received from the Navy so far for its work on the Zumwalt program. But the company won a $3 billion development contract in 2005 and a nearly $1 billion production contract last year for the combat systems.

The new DDG-1000 destroyer was conceived in the early 1990s as a land attack ship that would fend off Soviet-style threats. It later evolved into an all-purpose vessel that could accompany a carrier group in deep water against conventional enemies while also being able to launch special operations to thwart terrorists closer to shore. The first ship in the class has been scheduled for delivery to the Navy in 2013.

But the estimated cost for each Zumwalt-class destroyer had jumped from $2 billion to more than $3 billion. Even before the cancellation, the Navy had decided to scale back the program from an original goal of 32 ships to just seven. Congress has approved only two, and a House committee recently balked at funding the third.

The decision puts the spotlight on military procurement problems that have festered for decades: program mismanagement, ballooning costs, and increasingly sophisticated and rapidly changing technology that has outstripped the government's ability to pay for it.

"You'd have to say the Pentagon acquisition system is broken," said former naval architect Jon B. Kutler, chairman of Admiralty Partners, a private equity firm specializing in aerospace and defense. "They're spending a lot of money and have very little to show for it."

Cancellation of the Zumwalt-class destroyer potentially could have a greater impact on Raytheon than on General Dynamics, some analysts said. "This is bad news for Raytheon," said Loren B. Thompson, chief operating officer at the Lexington Institute, an Arlington, Va., think tank.

But program executives at Raytheon have maintained that shipboard systems it has designed for the Zumwalt class could be used on future Navy vessels and "backfitted" to older models such as the DDG-51. While several analysts questioned that, others said Raytheon's development work is seen as critical to future Navy combat.

"They want the technology Raytheon is developing to mature," said Patrick J. McCarthy, defense analyst for the Washington investment bank Friedman, Billings, Ramsey Group.

The termination of the Zumwalt program is the latest sign of trouble for the Navy's plans to achieve a 313-ship fleet. The Navy's shipbuilding program has been under intense scrutiny from Congress following construction delays and skyrocketing costs.

Last year the Navy was forced to restructure the Littoral Combat Ship, a next-generation fleet of small, fast attack vessels, opting to acquire just two ships rather than six after engineering problems.

Robert Weisman can be reached at weisman@globe.com. Bryan Bender can be reached at bender@globe.com

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#1513 Mensagem por gral » Qui Jul 24, 2008 11:12 am

P44 escreveu:ainda não consegui perceber se é um cancelamento completo ou se sempre irão construir 2

mas dá a sensação que é o cancelamento total (?)
Num outro fórum que eu frequento, estão comentando sobre isso. Os dois últimos parágrafos são de um membro diferente dos dois primeiros. O cara que postou os dois últimos parágrafos trabalha numa das consultorias de defesa que o Pentágono contrata, e avisou da história do cancelamento do DDG-1000 uns cinco dias antes de sair a notícia:
So let's see: All teh costs in developing the DDG-1000 hull, and integrating it's electronic systems? All gone. The concept of providing high volume fire support to the Marines? Dead.

The ships will themselves be undeployable due to spares costs -- I've heard that we really only have two Seawolves operational, because the third is essentially the parts boat for the other two; since all the spare part contracts were programmed for a much larger buy, and when they were cut to just three boats, the spares program suffered horrendously.


Two Seawolfs are operationanal as SSNs (although SSN-22 Connecticut is 'just barely'), the third is a Special Projects boat (with an extra 100 foot section amidships). Nobody talks much about the USS Jimmy Carter

Basically, the two DDG-1000s will be trials ships for the CGN-74 class. I wouldn't be surprised if DDG-1001 got cancelled.




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#1514 Mensagem por WalterGaudério » Qui Jul 24, 2008 11:26 am

Túlio escreveu:Uma amiga me disse no MSN que o ASTRA é furada... 8-]
Uma amiga.... hummmmmm, se for quem eu estou pensando..., então está dito.




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#1515 Mensagem por Túlio » Qui Jul 24, 2008 11:34 am

Excelentes notícias, tudo o que tenho dito - y sin fuentes - vem se confirmando, cancelamento de programas como o DDG e o F22 - este ainda tem salvação se sair o contrato Japonês - mas lembremos que a encomenda projetada para a USAF chegaria a quase 800 unidades, agora se darão por felizes se chegarem a 200 (1/4!!!). Estou agora no aguardo de novos cortes para o F-35, que começou com a expectativa de umas 3000 unidades e já sofreu buenas reduções (está em quantos mesmo?)...

É a crise chegando, depois dessa o Mr. Bush não elege nem síndico de edifício...




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