Fórum Defesa Brasil

chm0d escreveu:

Alitson escreveu:

sergiobraz escreveu:Não dá pra acreditar que a Venezuela realmente vai comprar os melhores caças da atualidade..., e que também podríamos ter comprado..., mas ao invés disso, é Mirage2000 CAPADOS a serem entregues à perder di vista, e Mais IMPALAS..., é RIDÍCULO ISSO!!!

O que, a Venzuela comprou os F/A-22????????????

Menos Aliston, menos

Abs.

Se serve de consolo, estas aeronaves fizeram demonstrações primeiro para nós do que para eles....e festa é festa...

In certain circumstances, the Su-30 can use its maneuverability, enhanced by thrust-vectoring nozzles, and speed to fool the F-15's radar, fire two missiles and escape before the U.S. fighter can adequately respond. This is according to Air Force officials who have seen the results of extensive studies of multi-aircraft engagements conducted in a complex of 360-deg. simulation domes at Boeing's St. Louis facilities.

"The Su-30 tactic and the success of its escape maneuver permit the second, close-in shot, in case the BVR [beyond-visual-range] shot missed," an Air Force official said. Air Force analysts believe U.S. electronic warfare techniques are adequate to spoof the missile's radar. "That [second shot] is what causes concern to the F-15 community," he said. "Now, the Su-30 pilot is assured two shots plus an effective escape, which greatly increases the total engagement [kill percentage]."
THE SCENARIO in which the Su-30 "always" beats the F-15 involves the Sukhoi taking a shot with a BVR missile (like the AA-12 Adder) and then "turning into the clutter notch of the F-15's radar," the Air Force official said. Getting into the clutter notch where the Doppler radar is ineffective involves making a descending, right-angle turn to drop below the approaching F-15 while reducing the Su-30's relative forward speed close to zero. This is a 20-year-old air combat tactic, but the Russian fighter's maneuverability, ability to dump speed quickly and then rapidly regain acceleration allow it to execute the tactic with great effectiveness, observers said.

If the maneuver is flown correctly, the Su-30 is invisible to the F-15's Doppler radar--which depends on movement of its targets--until the U.S. fighter gets to within range of the AA-11 Archer infrared missile. The AA-11 has a high-off-boresight capability and is used in combination with a helmet-mounted sight and a modern high-speed processor that rapidly spits out the target solution.

Positioned below the F-15, the Su-30 then uses its passive infrared sensor to frame the U.S. fighter against the sky with no background clutter. The Russian fighter then takes its second shot, this time with the IR missile, and accelerates out of danger.

"It works in the simulator every time," the Air Force official said. However, he did point out that U.S. pilots are flying both aircraft in the tests. Few countries maintain a pilot corps with the air-to-air combat skills needed to fly these scenarios, said an aerospace industry official involved in stealth fighter programs.

Vinicius Pimenta escreveu:São duas aeronaves que vão vir pra desfilar... Nem as cores da Venezuela elas têm. Vamos esperar pra ver a operação delas. Aí a gente pode ter as conclusões com algum embasamento.

talharim escreveu:ôpa,eu fiz a pergunta em outro tópico mas aki já está respondido !

Se tratam realmente dos 2 SU-30MKI Matadores de F-5BR - O início do fim para a FAB - Julgamento final para o Brasil.

talharim escreveu:Os Russos devem estar em êxtase com a oportunidade de seu fabuloso SU-30 poder bater em um bêbado como a FAB.

Devem estar incentivando atiçando a FAV a arranjar treta com a FAB.Assim o Flanker conseguiriria escores dignos de F-15 e F-16.

75 X 0 Para o Flanker.No mínimo isso.

A FAB vai ter que fugir com seus F-5s e Mirages sobreviventes para a Argentina.