Marinha da Dinamarca

[nestor]

¿De verdad creeis que los Tomahawks son una amenaza para Portugal?

Estos misiles son de largo alcance, 1.600 km, cuando Portugal está aquí al lado. Cualquier punto de la geografia portuguesa está al alcance de la aviación española, incluidas las islas atlanticas. ¿Es que las F-100 van a ir hasta Italia para atacar Portugal? No tiene sentido.

Mi opinión es que estos misiles tacticos son un medio disuasivo para los paises del norte de Africa, inestables politicamente. Marruecos algun día debe modernizar su arsenal y es mejor ir por delante de ellos que lamentarse despues.

Saludos

[Einsamkeit]

Os Espanhois tem um modo bem melhor de dominar portugal, e nao usa nenhum Tomahawk



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[P44]

Os Espanhois tem um modo bem melhor de dominar portugal, e nao usa nenhum Tomahawk



ps:

Realmente, têm o "$$$$$$", e conseguem conquistar-nos sem disparar um tiro.

[cabeça de martelo]

Ó senhores...é só teorias da conspiração!

[P44]

Ó senhores...é só teorias da conspiração!

Teoria da Conspiração são estes 3 belos "Patrulhas" por 800 milhões de dólares

Seria possivel um LFC por 400 milhões?

[cabeça de martelo]

Olha eu quero é as fragatas Holandesas cheguem a Portugal que acabem de construir os NPO, os NPC, os subs e o navio para os Fuzos. Há muita coisa que a Marinha está à espera de receber, não é preciso começar a fantasiar, basta esperar mais um pouco para termos uma Marinha com cabeça, tronco e membros.

[Rui Elias Maltez]

Ainda fica a faltar um bom AOR, Cabeça.

[P44]

Olha eu quero é as fragatas Holandesas cheguem a Portugal que acabem de construir os NPO, os NPC, os subs e o navio para os Fuzos. Há muita coisa que a Marinha está à espera de receber, não é preciso começar a fantasiar, basta esperar mais um pouco para termos uma Marinha com cabeça, tronco e membros.

E o Coelho de Páscoa, e o Pai Natal já agora?



NPC ? esses nem começaram a ser construidos

Eu quero é um OPV holandês (parecido com os BAM dos pérfidos castel...cast... castelh.....malbadus!!!!)

[cabeça de martelo]

Pois, mas esses projectos têm de OPV como as Fragatas JB...

[JNSA]

O meu colega tem 1000€ por mês se ele gastar 1% do seu ordenado em tabaco isso significa 10€, mas seu eu ganhar 100€ e gastar 2% tal dá 2€, se eu falar só na percentagem as pessoas pensam o quê, que eu gasto mais??? Quando se toma de ânimo leve as comparações de gastos do PIB por país é um bocado leviano, mas se eu disser que Espanha gasta 1% do seu PIB no valor X e Portugal 2% que corresponde a Y aí sim, tem-se uma realidade bem real, senão fazemos um jogo, que certos políticos fazem, quando falam em percentagens mas nunca em valores e daí o pessoal menos informados dizerem que se gasta muito em defesa, não é???

Permita-me discordar Antoninho. Os países não podem ser comparados como se se tratassem de pessoas individuais. É evidente que, tendo Espanha um PIB 4 ou 5 vezes superior aos Português, 1% deste seja necessariamente mais do que 2% do nosso. Só que essa quantia é dividida na sustentação de uma estrutura militar dispersa num território quatro vezes maior, e também num número de militares e meios de equipamento muito superior.

Outro factor que coloca distorções nestes cálculos são as necessidades geo-estratégicas de cada país. A comparação entre percentagens do PIB gastas em defesa é um indicador muito válido e permite dizer-nos qual o esforço relativo de cada Estado face à riqueza que produz. Por esse critério, tal como o amigo Sintra disse, a Espanha não está a realizar um grande esforço de reequipamento... E está a fazer tudo menos uma "corrida armamentista"...

Em vez de passarmos tanto tempo a desconfiar das compras feitas pelos Espanhóis devíamos era pensar em começar a investir mais nas Forças Armadas Portuguesas. E para fazer isso nem é preciso aumentar muito o orçamento da Defesa, embora no curto/médio prazo isso deva ser feito - muito mais importante é cortar nos enormes desperdícios que se verificam nas nossas FA, com estruturas hierárquicas demasiado pesadas no topo, com demasiadas cadeias de comando e com uma dispersão territorial arcaica e desadequada.

[cabeça de martelo]

Não esquecer que os programas de reequipamento militare nunca são cumpridos.

[P44]

voltando ao tema do tópico, encontrei 2 links interessantes

http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/44-175.aspx

New Danish Ship Can Fight Far From Home
By CHRISTOPHER P. CAVAS, ABOARD HDMS ABSALON


At first glance, Denmark’s new warship — Absalon — looks like a standard, modern frigate. But discerning naval eyes will notice the “L” pennant number on the ship’s high, stealthy hull, rather than the “F” that denotes frigates in NATO’s standard system. L usually marks an amphibious ship.

The designation hints at the multiple roles intended for the Danish Navy’s Flexible Support Ships, a new concept that incorporates command-and-control systems for joint international force commanders, cargo bays for armored and military vehicles, a flight deck for large helicopters, and weapons to support troops ashore.

The ship spent part of October cruising U.S. and Canadian waters — including stops in Norfolk, Va., Baltimore, Md., Halifax, and Nova Scotia as well as steaming nearly to the equator — to test out its seakeeping qualities and air conditioning systems. The tour also gave Danish industry an opportunity to show off its wares, similar to previous recent visits by new Dutch and German frigates.


The Facts:
FRIGATE FACTS

Flexible Support Ships Absalon (L 16) and Esbern Snare (L 17)
Length: 137 meters
Beam: 19.5 meters
Draft: 6.3 meters
Aircraft: Two EH101 helicopters.
Machinery: Two MTU800 M/70 diesel engines. Two variable-pitch propellers.
Crew: 100, with berths for 70 more.



“We want a ship that can influence the land battle,” said Rear Adm. Nils Wang, head of the Danish Navy. The new ships, he said, give Denmark a “littoral expeditionary capability with a global reach.”

The Absalon, delivered in 2004, and its sister ship commissioned earlier this year, the Esbern Snare, are an attempt to combine a traditional frigate with a roll-on/roll-off supply ship, Wang said. The ships feature a 5-inch gun forward and have a missile deck amidships fitted with Harpoon surface-to-surface missiles and Evolved Sea Sparrow anti-air missiles.

But the main armament actually is below decks. A 90-meter-long, 30-meter-wide, two-deck-high “flex deck” can carry wheeled vehicles and small fast insertion craft, or can be set up with modular and multipurpose rooms. The deck can hold 10 Leopard 2 main battle tanks; as many as 54 smaller vehicles have been loaded on the deck, a ship’s officer said. Modular rooms can be fitted in only a few hours, officers said, including plugging computers into the ship’s information technology system.

Vehicles are loaded on a large ramp built into the stern. Although the deck cannot be flooded as on amphibious transport dock ships, a smaller ramp opens to allow an overhead rail system to extend out over the water, enabling small craft such as fast insertion vessels to be raised or lowered to the ocean.

The ship’s speed tops out around 24 knots, several knots slower than frigates designed primarily for anti-submarine warfare. But with a range of more than 9,000 nautical miles, the Absalon can operate worldwide, and Wang noted it would easily operate with an amphibious group.

Under a five-year defense plan approved last year, Denmark will build three more frigates to a modified Absalon design, with a top speed of about 28 knots, but lacking the flex deck.

Danish Transformation

The Flexible Support Ships represent Denmark’s transformation to a “more relevant, deployable” force for international operations, Wang said. He noted the process was driven in Denmark by military leaders, not politicians.

“Transformation military leaders have to lead the change,” he said. He called the move the “greatest reform in the Danish military since World War II.”

A key to transformation, Wang said, is a determination to “butcher ‘holy cows’” — cutting capabilities and communities once thought sacrosanct. The Navy’s big sacrifice, he said, was the submarine force, while the Air Force dropped its ground-based anti-missile system and the Army its rocket bombardment capability.

The services also have drastically altered their organizational structures, Wang noted. Materiel commands belonging to the three services have been combined into unified joint commands to handle materiel, personnel, information technology and health issues, he said. The result “leaves the service chiefs in command of units and operational capabilities,” he said.

Several officers aboard the Absalon spoke with some satisfaction about the ruthlessness with which internal opposition to the changes was overcome, including the necessity of replacing and in some cases retiring those who opposed the transformation moves.

“It’s something that needed to be done,” one officer said.

The speed of the transformation effort is evident in the rapidity with which the new Flexible Support Ships were conceived, designed and built. Design work began in 2000, and the first steel was cut for the ships in April 2003 at Odense Shipyard in Lindo, Denmark. Absalon was delivered in about a year ago, and the Esbern Snare was delivered in April.

They are the first naval vessels built by Odense, a commercial yard. The decision to build to commercial standards has some penalties, officers aboard the Absalon admitted. One example came to light earlier this year, when the Absalon was forced to cut short a cruise after weld cracks developed around some pumps.

But officers said the advantages of commercial construction standards are evident in the speed of construction and the price: $355 million for both ships. While costs for the combat system and most sensors are not included, that price compares favorably with the U.S. Navy’s new Littoral Combat Ships, intended to cost $220 million each, with mission modules estimated at $100 million.

Denmark’s military transformation is being done without an overall budget increase, Wang said. “The redistribution of resources is a zero-sum game.”

To afford the new ships, the Danish Navy is taking delivery without some equipment installed. But funding for the combat system, full sensor suite, remaining weapons and hospitalization containers is being included in future budgets. Both ships are to be fully outfitted by early 2008. •


E-mail: ccavas@defensenews.com.

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Note: AFAIK the Absalons have a top speed of 27 knots, as they performed better than expected. The Frigates (as in an F), will feature VLS and APAR or SAMPSON instead of the RORO deck.

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http://www.dutchfleet.net/viewtopic.php?t=5252

The Royal Navy's top commander wants one of the new Danish warships to patrol the Indian Ocean

The head of the Royal Navy believes a new Danish warship could be best used as a patrol vessel in the Indian Ocean - specifically in the Arabian Sea where it would be close to hotspots in the Middle East and the African horn of Somalia and Ethiopia. The navy has ordered a total of five warships from Maersk-owned Odense Steel Shipyard, and Rear Admiral Nils Wang of the Naval Command thinks at least one ship should be permanently deployed for peacekeeping duty in the Arabian Sea. 'If you hope to be within reasonable sailing time to where something serious happens, you shouldn't be positioned outside Tromsø, Norway,' Wang told daily newspaper Berlingske Tidende. The navy currently has two of the ships, but the fifth is not expected to be delivered until 2012. Wang believes a Danish warship on permanent global patrol would be a natural progression of the nation's active security policy. From the Arabian Sea, the ship could reach nearly all the hotspots in the eastern hemisphere within three days. Wang said that in addition to military assignments the crew would also be able to help combat piracy and provide humanitarian assistance to Danish citizens. 'I can confirm that the foreign affairs ministry is placed under an unyielding requirement from our citizens to come and save them, regardless of how they've gotten into the situation they've found themselves in,' said Wang. Defence Minister Søren Gade agrees that a permanently stationed ship in the Indian Ocean would be beneficial. 'Defence is an important tool for foreign policy and today the army conducts operations in places we wouldn't have dreamed of 10 years ago.' The opposition Social Liberal party is also open to the idea of having a ship in the area. 'It's parliament that decides what operations the armed forces participate in, but I'm open to discussing it, especially if there are practical reasons for putting a ship in the Indian Ocean,' said Morten Helveg Petersen, the party's spokesman on defence issues. Per Kaalund, the Social Democratic defence spokesperson, was less enthusiastic. 'We're not building patrol ships in order to send them to the Indian Ocean.'

bron: http://www.cphpost.dk/get/99838.html

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The Royal Danish Navy will receive three Anti Air Warfare (AAW) suites for the new frigates planned for the Danish Navy. Each system consists of the APAR Multifunction Radar, a SMART-L Volume Search Radar and a Fire Control Cluster. Similar systems are already operational with German and Dutch navy frigates. The new frigates, each displacing about 6,000 tons, will be built by the Odense Steel Shipyard Ltd. in Denmark. The vessel will be 138.7 meter in length, and beam of 19.8 meters. The three ships are scheduled to be handed over to the Royal Danish Navy and replace the Niels Juel class corvettes between 2011 and 2013.



APAR multifunction radar is configured as an active phased array radar, operating in the I band, performing various tasks simultaneously, including automatic detection and tracking of low altitude targets (e.g. sea-skimmers), detection and tracking of air targets and the support and guidance of a wide range of missiles. The complete APAR multifunction radar consists of 4 faces covering 360 degrees of possible threat. 3,424 Transmit/Receive elements are installed in each of the four arrays, providing a powerful and redundant system architecture. Interrupted Continuous Wave (CW) illumination (ICWI) is a built-in feature of the APAR system, designed to cope with the terminal guidance requirements of SM-2 and ESSM missiles. APAR is the result of a tri-national development, led by Thales Netherlands, involving governments and industries from the Netherlands, Germany and Canada.

SMART-L is a long range 3D volume search multibeam radar system operating in the D band, capable of automatic detection, track initiation and tracking of up to 1,000 air targets, up to a range of 400 km. Its performance has already been tested and proven to be capable of detecting stealth targets in land clutter environment. The AAW suite will have growth potential to offer Tactical Ballistic Missile Defense. Such capabilities, particularly those of the SMART-L radar have already been demonstrated with Royal Netherlands Navy frigate participating in recent US Navy TBMD tests near Hawaii in November and December 2006.

The design of the new frigates began in 2004. Construction of the first ship will commence in 2008 at Odense Steel Shipyard. The construction of the three ships is expected to be completed in 2010-2012.

http://www.defense-update.com/newscast/ ... igates.htm

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Thales' Smart-S Mk2 Radar Is Ready for Operation


(Source: Thales Nederland; issued March 5, 2007)



On 31 January and 1 February 2007 the first Thales SMART-S Mk2 surveillance radar was subjected to the Factory Acceptance Test (FAT). The outcome of the test left no doubts: SMART-S Mk2 easily proved its full compliance with all requirements and even exceeded a number of specifications.

The entire test was witnessed by representatives of the Royal Danish Navy, the launching customer of SMART-S Mk2.

The FAT was held right on schedule, three years after the Royal Danish Navy signed the contract for two of these ultramodern surveillance radars. At that moment the actual development of the system started, meaning that Thales succeeded to develop the radar in a record-breaking three years. And considering the FAT was concluded without any problems, it was a "first time right" development.

After the FAT the system will be transported to Denmark for installation on board of the HDMS Absalon, the first of the two Flexible Support Ships that are presently being built. The Sea Trials will be performed in the summer of this year.

In the meantime, the second SMART-S Mk2 system has passed all environmental tests and will be transported to a coastal test site in France for tests with all kinds of air and surface targets. Since November 2006 Factory Evaluation Flight Trials were performed with small aircraft, helicopters and calibrated targets having a radar cross section of 0.1 m² en 0.01 m². The results of these tests were much better than required by the customer.


BACKGROUND NOTES:

SMART-S Mk2 is Thales’ new E/F-band 3D medium to long range Volume Search Radar, optimised for operation in littoral conditions. Its size and weight match Fast Attack Craft and larger and upwards vessel types. As SMART-S Mk2 fully matches the engagement envelope of the Evolved SeaSparrow Missile, the system is perfectly suited for AAW defence applications.

SMART-S Mk2 has a coverage of 250 km in range and up to 70 degrees in elevation. The system is fully solid state guaranteeing very high availability. SMART-S Mk2's capabilities also include surface surveillance, surface gunfire support and helicopter guidance.

Nine SMART-S Mk2 systems are under contract today.

Thales is a leading international electronics and systems group, serving defence, aerospace and security markets worldwide, supported by a comprehensive services offering. Thales employs 70,000 people in 50 countries and generated revenues of EUR 10.3 billion in 2006, with a record order book of over EUR 20 billion. Thales Nederland, established in 1922, is one of the leading companies in integrated naval systems for surveillance, weapon control, combat management and system integration world-wide.

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Thales' SMART-S Mk2 radar is ready for operation


crédits : THALES NEDERLAND



11/03/2007


On 31 January and 1 February 2007 the first Thales SMART-S Mk2 surveillance radar was subjected to the Factory Acceptance Test (FAT). The outcome of the test left no doubts: SMART-S Mk2 easily proved its full compliance with all requirements and even exceeded a number of specifications. The entire test was witnessed by representatives of the Royal Danish Navy, the launching customer of SMART-S Mk2. The FAT was held right on schedule, three years after the Royal Danish Navy signed the contract for two of these ultramodern surveillance radars. At that moment the actual development of the system started, meaning that Thales succeeded to develop the radar in a record-breaking three years. And considering the FAT was concluded without any problems, it was a "first time right" development.

After the FAT the system will be transported to Denmark for installation on board of the HDMS Absalon, the first of the two Flexible Support Ships that are presently being built. The Sea Trials will be performed in the summer of this year. In the meantime, the second SMART-S Mk2 system has passed all environmental tests and will be transported to a coastal test site in France for tests with all kinds of air and surface targets. Since November 2006 Factory Evaluation Flight Trials were performed with small aircraft, helicopters and calibrated targets having a radar cross section of 0.1 m² en 0.01 m². The results of these tests were much better than required by the customer.

fonte : SEA AND NAVY