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mmatuso escreveu:Os SH foram ofertados com qual armamento?

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WASHINGTON, August 6, 2009 – Today the Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Brazil of 28 F/A-18E Super Hornet Aircraft, eight F/A-18F Super Hornet Aircraft, 72 F414-GE-400 installed engines, a host of spare parts and munitions at an estimated value of $7.0 billion.

The Government of Brazil has requested proposals from several foreign suppliers, including the United States, to provide the next generation fighter for the Brazilian Air Force. In this “FX-2” competition, the Government of Brazil has yet to select the United States Navy-Boeing proposal. This notification is being made in advance of receipt of a letter of request so that, in the event that the US Navy-Boeing proposal is selected, the United States might move as quickly as possible to implement the sale. If the Government of Brazil selects the U.S. Navy-Boeing proposal, the Government of Brazil will request a possible sale of 28 F/A-18E Super Hornet Aircraft, eight F/A-18F Super Hornet Aircraft, 72 F414-GE-400 installed engines, four F414-GE-400 spare engines, 36 AN/APG-79 Radar Systems, 36 M61A2 20mm Gun Systems, 36 AN/ALR-67(V) three Radar Warning Receivers, 144 LAU-127 Launchers, 44 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS), 28 AIM-120C-7 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM), 28 AIM-9M SIDEWINDER Missiles, 60 GBU-31/32 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM), 36 AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapons (JSOW), 10 AGM-88B HARM Missiles, and 36 AN/ASQ-228 (V2) Advanced Targeting Forward-Looking Infrared (ATFLIR) Pods. Also included are 36 AN/ALQ-214 Radio Frequency Countermeasures. 40 AN/ALE-47 Electronic Warfare Countermeasures Systems, 112 AN/ALE-50 Towed Decoys, Joint Mission Planning System, support equipment, spare and repair parts, personnel training and training equipment, ferry and tanker support, flight test, software support, publications and technical documents, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics and program support.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that has been, and continues to be, an important force for political stability and economic progress in South America.

Brazil needs these aircraft to meet current and future threats. The proposed sale of F/A-18E/F aircraft will enhance Brazil’s tactical aviation capabilities. An increase in capability will be accrued primarily due to the larger number of aircraft and the larger range and endurance of the F/A-18E/F. Brazil will have no difficulty absorbing these aircraft into its aircraft inventory.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The principal contractors will be:

The Boeing Company St. Louis, Mo.
General Electric Aircraft Engines Lynn, Mass.

Northrup Grumman Corporation El Segundo, Calif.
Raytheon Corporation El Segundo, Calif.

Lockheed Martin Bethesda, Md.


Offsets agreements associated with this proposed sale are expected; however, specific agreements are undetermined and will be defined during negotiations between the purchaser and contractor.

Implementation of this sale will require approximately eight contractor representatives to provide technical and logistics support in Brazil for two years. U.S. Government and contractor representatives will also participate in program management and technical reviews for one-week
intervals twice semi-annually.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.

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juarez castro escreveu:

Energys escreveu:Conta de padaria. Dividir 5,4 bilhões por 36 dá 155 milhões, o que não é de fato o valor unitário de um Gripen. Esse tipo de dado só serve para 2 propósitos: 1) confundir; 2) puxar a brasa para a sua sardinha (isto é, defender o seu preferido derrotado).

Att.

´Vamos lá então: Estamos pagando hoje cento e sessenta milhões de dólares por um caça desprovido de armas e de determinadas janelas de integração que só poderão ser efetivadas e contratas mais tarde, fácil deduzir que isto vai passar voando dos 200 milhões, mais fácil ainda deduzir que o o re arranjo do contrato a toque de caixa antes das eleições tinha um único objetivo, garantido pela viagem de um emissário político do GF a Estocolmo(acredito que nehum de nós aqui acredita que todas os ROs não estavam escritos letra por letra no RFP e em todas as atualizações sofridas pela propostas durante a escolha), ou seja pegaram um projeto que na sua essência inicial, na minha opinião era bom(não era o melhor na minha opinião) e transformaram no monstro quase inexequível, estão loteando e tentando pagar as velas para todos os santos da casa que querem ganhar seu quinhão no projeto.

Vamos ao projeto da "minha sardinha" que com algo próximo do número que está hoje teríamoss a aeronave, a logística, a manutenção até nível D de célula, motor e estrutura elétro hidráulica, mais todo o armamento que estava descrita e solicitado pela FAB. Teríamos ainda o mais importante, toda a estrutura comercial da Boeing para apoiar o KC 390 e os E Jets.

Lembrando ainda que a promessa para as famigeradas Tots seria a "construção" no Brasil de pelo menos2/3 das células, bem a conta está em 15 a serem "montadas" no Brasil com o tal custo de Tot agregado, só que tem um detalhe: Quem vai receber o tot disto, eu me refiro a material humano, em que instituto acadêmico isto vai ser convertido em patrimônio científico???

Para piorar estão criando um Frenkenstein a fim de agradar determinadas empresas, quando a nossa versão e a Sueca deveriam ter o máximo de comunidade construtiva para gerar escala de produção padrão na cadeia de fornecedores, barateando custo e facilitando a manutenção, mas....

De quebra se der dor de cabeça no projeto ou restrição orçamentária para ensaios e para os novos contratos de integração e armamento vamos ter o H 24 feito por ST, pois o F M começa a dar tchau em 2016.

Certa feita em uma discussão com o Brig Cima, afirmei a ele que seria uma vitória de Pirro para a Saab, ele me contra argumentou, mas eu acho ainda que estava certo.

Grande abraço

gabriel219 escreveu:Trocar aprendizagem, desenvolvimentos e fabricação nacional por compra de prateleira, na minha opinião, não é o melhor caso.

Abs.

Carlos Lima escreveu:

mmatuso escreveu:Os SH foram ofertados com qual armamento?

Aqui vai:

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WASHINGTON, August 6, 2009 – Today the Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Brazil of 28 F/A-18E Super Hornet Aircraft, eight F/A-18F Super Hornet Aircraft, 72 F414-GE-400 installed engines, a host of spare parts and munitions at an estimated value of $7.0 billion.

The Government of Brazil has requested proposals from several foreign suppliers, including the United States, to provide the next generation fighter for the Brazilian Air Force. In this “FX-2” competition, the Government of Brazil has yet to select the United States Navy-Boeing proposal. This notification is being made in advance of receipt of a letter of request so that, in the event that the US Navy-Boeing proposal is selected, the United States might move as quickly as possible to implement the sale. If the Government of Brazil selects the U.S. Navy-Boeing proposal, the Government of Brazil will request a possible sale of 28 F/A-18E Super Hornet Aircraft, eight F/A-18F Super Hornet Aircraft, 72 F414-GE-400 installed engines, four F414-GE-400 spare engines, 36 AN/APG-79 Radar Systems, 36 M61A2 20mm Gun Systems, 36 AN/ALR-67(V) three Radar Warning Receivers, 144 LAU-127 Launchers, 44 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS), 28 AIM-120C-7 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM), 28 AIM-9M SIDEWINDER Missiles, 60 GBU-31/32 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM), 36 AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapons (JSOW), 10 AGM-88B HARM Missiles, and 36 AN/ASQ-228 (V2) Advanced Targeting Forward-Looking Infrared (ATFLIR) Pods. Also included are 36 AN/ALQ-214 Radio Frequency Countermeasures. 40 AN/ALE-47 Electronic Warfare Countermeasures Systems, 112 AN/ALE-50 Towed Decoys, Joint Mission Planning System, support equipment, spare and repair parts, personnel training and training equipment, ferry and tanker support, flight test, software support, publications and technical documents, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics and program support.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that has been, and continues to be, an important force for political stability and economic progress in South America.

Brazil needs these aircraft to meet current and future threats. The proposed sale of F/A-18E/F aircraft will enhance Brazil’s tactical aviation capabilities. An increase in capability will be accrued primarily due to the larger number of aircraft and the larger range and endurance of the F/A-18E/F. Brazil will have no difficulty absorbing these aircraft into its aircraft inventory.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The principal contractors will be:

The Boeing Company St. Louis, Mo.
General Electric Aircraft Engines Lynn, Mass.

Northrup Grumman Corporation El Segundo, Calif.
Raytheon Corporation El Segundo, Calif.

Lockheed Martin Bethesda, Md.


Offsets agreements associated with this proposed sale are expected; however, specific agreements are undetermined and will be defined during negotiations between the purchaser and contractor.

Implementation of this sale will require approximately eight contractor representatives to provide technical and logistics support in Brazil for two years. U.S. Government and contractor representatives will also participate in program management and technical reviews for one-week
intervals twice semi-annually.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.

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Nada mal né?

Fuentes:

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/br ... t-aircraft

PS: O AIM-9M foi ofertado ao invés do "X" porque o Brasil planejava integrar os SHornet com o A-Darter e por isso não precisava dos "X".



Com o nosso Gripen, vamos ter que pagar extra $$$ para integrar qualquer coisa dessas.

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CB_Lima

Carlos Lima escreveu:

juarez castro escreveu: ´Vamos lá então: Estamos pagando hoje cento e sessenta milhões de dólares por um caça desprovido de armas e de determinadas janelas de integração que só poderão ser efetivadas e contratas mais tarde, fácil deduzir que isto vai passar voando dos 200 milhões, mais fácil ainda deduzir que o o re arranjo do contrato a toque de caixa antes das eleições tinha um único objetivo, garantido pela viagem de um emissário político do GF a Estocolmo(acredito que nehum de nós aqui acredita que todas os ROs não estavam escritos letra por letra no RFP e em todas as atualizações sofridas pela propostas durante a escolha), ou seja pegaram um projeto que na sua essência inicial, na minha opinião era bom(não era o melhor na minha opinião) e transformaram no monstro quase inexequível, estão loteando e tentando pagar as velas para todos os santos da casa que querem ganhar seu quinhão no projeto.

Vamos ao projeto da "minha sardinha" que com algo próximo do número que está hoje teríamoss a aeronave, a logística, a manutenção até nível D de célula, motor e estrutura elétro hidráulica, mais todo o armamento que estava descrita e solicitado pela FAB. Teríamos ainda o mais importante, toda a estrutura comercial da Boeing para apoiar o KC 390 e os E Jets.

Lembrando ainda que a promessa para as famigeradas Tots seria a "construção" no Brasil de pelo menos2/3 das células, bem a conta está em 15 a serem "montadas" no Brasil com o tal custo de Tot agregado, só que tem um detalhe: Quem vai receber o tot disto, eu me refiro a material humano, em que instituto acadêmico isto vai ser convertido em patrimônio científico???

Para piorar estão criando um Frenkenstein a fim de agradar determinadas empresas, quando a nossa versão e a Sueca deveriam ter o máximo de comunidade construtiva para gerar escala de produção padrão na cadeia de fornecedores, barateando custo e facilitando a manutenção, mas....

De quebra se der dor de cabeça no projeto ou restrição orçamentária para ensaios e para os novos contratos de integração e armamento vamos ter o H 24 feito por ST, pois o F M começa a dar tchau em 2016.

Certa feita em uma discussão com o Brig Cima, afirmei a ele que seria uma vitória de Pirro para a Saab, ele me contra argumentou, mas eu acho ainda que estava certo.

Grande abraço

E com isso tudo você nem tocou no assunto do "Gripen Naval" ainda... que é outro vespeiro e mais um ralo de $$$ que vai custar $$$ para desenvolver e $$$$$$$ para operar porque (dentre outros motivos) seremos os únicos...

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CB_Lima

juarez castro escreveu:Perfeitamente, como já comprovamos no SH, MK48, sistema de combate LM e Piranha dos FNs. Se tivéssemos optado por ele, provavelmente no segundo semestre deste ano começariam as entregas e em 2018 estaríamos com dois esquadrões em ativação, mas.................

Grande abraço

Johan escreveu:Olá pessoal! Já foram divulgados quais armamentos estarão integrados no Gripen NG/BR? Se a FAB pretende empregar armamento brasileiro não teria que ser gasto com a integração dos mesmos também no SH?

Carlos Lima escreveu:

mmatuso escreveu:Os SH foram ofertados com qual armamento?

Aqui vai:

PDF Version:

WASHINGTON, August 6, 2009 – Today the Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Brazil of 28 F/A-18E Super Hornet Aircraft, eight F/A-18F Super Hornet Aircraft, 72 F414-GE-400 installed engines, a host of spare parts and munitions at an estimated value of $7.0 billion.

The Government of Brazil has requested proposals from several foreign suppliers, including the United States, to provide the next generation fighter for the Brazilian Air Force. In this “FX-2” competition, the Government of Brazil has yet to select the United States Navy-Boeing proposal. This notification is being made in advance of receipt of a letter of request so that, in the event that the US Navy-Boeing proposal is selected, the United States might move as quickly as possible to implement the sale. If the Government of Brazil selects the U.S. Navy-Boeing proposal, the Government of Brazil will request a possible sale of 28 F/A-18E Super Hornet Aircraft, eight F/A-18F Super Hornet Aircraft, 72 F414-GE-400 installed engines, four F414-GE-400 spare engines, 36 AN/APG-79 Radar Systems, 36 M61A2 20mm Gun Systems, 36 AN/ALR-67(V) three Radar Warning Receivers, 144 LAU-127 Launchers, 44 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS), 28 AIM-120C-7 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM), 28 AIM-9M SIDEWINDER Missiles, 60 GBU-31/32 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM), 36 AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapons (JSOW), 10 AGM-88B HARM Missiles, and 36 AN/ASQ-228 (V2) Advanced Targeting Forward-Looking Infrared (ATFLIR) Pods. Also included are 36 AN/ALQ-214 Radio Frequency Countermeasures. 40 AN/ALE-47 Electronic Warfare Countermeasures Systems, 112 AN/ALE-50 Towed Decoys, Joint Mission Planning System, support equipment, spare and repair parts, personnel training and training equipment, ferry and tanker support, flight test, software support, publications and technical documents, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics and program support.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that has been, and continues to be, an important force for political stability and economic progress in South America.

Brazil needs these aircraft to meet current and future threats. The proposed sale of F/A-18E/F aircraft will enhance Brazil’s tactical aviation capabilities. An increase in capability will be accrued primarily due to the larger number of aircraft and the larger range and endurance of the F/A-18E/F. Brazil will have no difficulty absorbing these aircraft into its aircraft inventory.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The principal contractors will be:

The Boeing Company St. Louis, Mo.
General Electric Aircraft Engines Lynn, Mass.

Northrup Grumman Corporation El Segundo, Calif.
Raytheon Corporation El Segundo, Calif.

Lockheed Martin Bethesda, Md.


Offsets agreements associated with this proposed sale are expected; however, specific agreements are undetermined and will be defined during negotiations between the purchaser and contractor.

Implementation of this sale will require approximately eight contractor representatives to provide technical and logistics support in Brazil for two years. U.S. Government and contractor representatives will also participate in program management and technical reviews for one-week
intervals twice semi-annually.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.

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Nada mal né?

Fuentes:

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/br ... t-aircraft

PS: O AIM-9M foi ofertado ao invés do "X" porque o Brasil planejava integrar os SHornet com o A-Darter e por isso não precisava dos "X".



Com o nosso Gripen, vamos ter que pagar extra $$$ para integrar qualquer coisa dessas.

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CB_Lima