E esses coletes pretos usados pelos FE na Rocinha são quais?Ckrauslo escreveu:Coletes Crye Precision AVS e JPC usados na imagem.
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Bolovo eu tinha isso tudo em uma lista que deixei no notebook que meu irmão pegou emprestado quando viajou.Bolovo escreveu:E esses coletes pretos usados pelos FE na Rocinha são quais?Ckrauslo escreveu:Coletes Crye Precision AVS e JPC usados na imagem.
Vou estar pedindo para ele mandar o arquivo para mim no email.
Tinha descoberto o nome do Colete usado pelos Prec PQDT.
E também pelos nossos Comandos e FE.
Tenho certeza que é um Plate Carrier por que tem apenas 3 Fileiras molle nas barrigueiras, normalmente os Plate carriers tem 3 e os armor carriers 4.
Só não lembro o nome, teve um período que estavam usando o contra terror recém lançado pela WTC em 2016.
tem horas que usam outros.
Vou estar analisando as fotos novamente por que alguns me parecem até novos modelos.
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Os FE estão usando o mesmo modelo de colete utilizado pelos Prec paraquedista.
Não o acho em lugar algum mas achei um similar chamado de Hagakure Plate Carrier.
Não o acho em lugar algum mas achei um similar chamado de Hagakure Plate Carrier.
Kept you waiting, huh?
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This is everything you need to know about Army Rangers
Assuming you haven’t been living under a rock for the past year or so, you probably know that a handful of female officers made history by graduating the US Army’s prestigious Ranger School and that one female Soldier tried (and failed) to join the Ranger Regiment.
You may have also noticed that there are, all of a sudden, a lot of “internet experts” on Rangers, or anything to do with Rangers. If you actually do know a thing or two about Rangers, then you know all these so-called experts are creating mass confusion and hysteria on the interwebz. So, in an effort to set the record straight, I thought I would lay out the pertinent information that anyone needs to know about this topic.
Although I have not attended every course I am about to speak of, I served in the US Army from 2005 until my separation in 2013. Of that time, I served in 1st Ranger Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment for over four years, where I completed three deployments to Iraq and two to Afghanistan. The remainder of my time I spent in the Syracuse Recruiting Battalion, where I am proud to say that I mentored sixteen different young men who made it into the 75th Ranger Regiment. Outside of my military experience, I am also the author of Ranger Knowledge: The All Inclusive Study Guide For Rangers and Violence of Action: The Untold Stories of the 75th Ranger Regiment in the War on Terror.
Ranger Training and Assessment Course (RTAC) – The RTAC course is a 16-day preparatory course for Ranger School. It is run by the Army National Guard Warrior Training Center, and primarily used by National Guard students, but open to students of any unit. It is located on Fort Benning, Georgia and is divided in to two phases: RAP phase and Patrolling phase. All National Guard soldiers who want to attend Ranger School must pass this course first. It should be noticed that many Army installations run a similar course to prepare their soldiers for Ranger School in a similar way.
US Army Ranger Course (Ranger School) – Ranger School is 62 days long with a 42% graduation rate, and is considered the Army’s toughest leadership course. Ranger School is a mentally and physically challenging course that teaches small unit infantry tactics and develops leadership skills under austere conditions meant to simulate the exhaustion of real combat operations. The course falls under the US Army Training and Doctrine Command, and is run by the Airborne and Ranger Training Brigade, which also runs the Army’s Airborne School, Jumpmaster School, and Pathfinder School.
The course incorporates three phases (Benning, Mountain, and Swamp), which follow the crawl, walk, run training methodology. After completion of these three phases, Ranger School graduates are considered proficient in leading squad and platoon dismounted operations in a variety of climates and terrain. Upon graduation, they are awarded and authorized the black and gold “Ranger Tab” on their left shoulder.
Second Lt. Jorge Ramirez, a member of Joint Task Force Domestic Support-Counterdrug, receives his Ranger tab after completing Ranger School July 16, 2010. USNG photo by 2nd Lt. Kara Siepmann.
After completion of the course, graduates return to their units and are expected to take leadership positions shortly after their return. Soldiers of any military occupational specialty (MOS), and any branch of service, as well as some allied nation service members can attend this course. There are no formal pre-requisite courses for attendance at Ranger School. Ranger School does not require students to be airborne qualified before attending. It should be noted that although soldiers are considered “Ranger Qualified,” graduation of this course does not qualify a service member for service in the 75th Ranger Regiment.
75th Ranger Regiment – The 75th Ranger Regiment is a special operations unit that falls under the US Army Special Operations Command, which falls under the US Special Operations Command – the parent organization of other SOF units such as Navy SEALs, Marine Raiders, and Army Special Forces “Green Berets.” The 75th Ranger Regiment’s mission is to plan and conduct special missions in support of US policy and objectives. They are considered the go-to direct action raid unit, and have killed or captured more high value targets in the War on Terror than any other unit. The Regiment is composed of four Ranger battalions: 1st Ranger Battalion on Hunter Army Airfield, GA, 2nd Ranger Battalion on Joint Base Lewis-McChord, WA, and 3rd Ranger Battalion and Regimental Special Troops Battalion on Fort Benning, GA. They are readily identified by their tan beret’s and red, white, and black “Ranger Scroll.” All soldiers assigned are graduates of either RASP 1 or 2.
Rangers assigned to the 75th Ranger Regiment are expected to go to the US Army Ranger School before taking a leadership position, but are not required to attend before serving in the Regiment. It should be noted that Ranger School and the 75th Ranger Regiment are completely different entities under completely different commands with completely different missions, and one is not needed for the other.
Ranger Assessment and Selection Program 1 (RASP 1) – RASP 1 is an 8-week course ran by the 75th Ranger Regiment and boasts an approximate 33% graduation rate (that number can vary based on time of year as well as other factors). It selects and trains soldiers in the rank of Private through Sergeant for service in the 75th Ranger Regiment. Upon completion of this course, graduates have the basic capabilities to conduct operations as a junior member of a Ranger strike force or command element.
RASP 1 is divided into two phases. Phase 1 is the primary “weeding out” phase, as well as conducts initial standard testing, such as the timed road marches and PT and swim tests. Phase 1 also includes the notoriously brutal “Cole Range” week of training. Phase 2 focuses more on the special operations-peculiar skills needed for service in the Regiment, such as explosive breaching, advanced marksmanship, and advanced first-responder skills. Upon graduation of RASP 1, the new Rangers are awarded the Black, Red, and White “Ranger Scroll” as well as the Khaki (tan) Beret. At this point, they are considered full-fledged Rangers and are assigned to one of the four Ranger Battalions of the 75th Ranger Regiment. It should be noted that Ranger School is not required before attendance at RASP 1, but some students are Ranger School graduates already. Airborne School is a required pre-requisite though, as all soldiers need to be airborne-qualified for service in the 75thRanger Regiment.
Pvt. Howard Urban is congratulated by his father Sgt. Maj. Howard Urban, guest speaker, at the 75th Ranger Regiment RASP Class 05-15 Graduation at Fort Benning. Photo by Pfc. Eric Overfelt, 75th Ranger Regiment documentation specialist.
Ranger Assesment and Selection Program 2 (RASP 2) –RASP 2 is a 21-day course that is ran by the 75th Ranger Regiment. It is for soldiers in the rank of Staff Sergeant and above, and all officers volunteering for assignment to the 75th Ranger Regiment. This course assesses and selects mid- and senior-grade leaders for assignment to the 75th Ranger Regiment and teaches them the operational techniques and standards needed for their time in the Regiment. Upon successful completion of this course, graduates are awarded the Black, Red, and White “Ranger Scroll” as well as the Khaki (tan) Beret and are assigned to one of the four battalions in the 75th Ranger Regiment. It should be noted that Ranger School is not required before attendances at RASP 2, but most students are already Ranger School graduates.
Small Unit Ranger Tactics (SURT) – SURT, formerly known as “Pre-Ranger Course (PRC),” is a three-week program that is run by the 75th Ranger Regiment, for Rangers already in the Regiment who will be attending the US Army Ranger School. Because the 75th Ranger Regiment and the Ranger School are so different, this course is designed to prepare Rangers for the “School” way of doing things, and ensure they have the best shot at success in Ranger School.
Hopefully this short primer explains all the nuances of anything relating to the Army Rangers, and maybe even answers a few questions that are floating around in response to the pending female graduates of Ranger School. Chief among them, “Why aren’t they going to the Ranger Regiment if they passed Ranger School?” Because Ranger School has nothing to do with the 75th Ranger Regiment and is definitely not the selection course for service in the 75th.
Assuming you haven’t been living under a rock for the past year or so, you probably know that a handful of female officers made history by graduating the US Army’s prestigious Ranger School and that one female Soldier tried (and failed) to join the Ranger Regiment.
You may have also noticed that there are, all of a sudden, a lot of “internet experts” on Rangers, or anything to do with Rangers. If you actually do know a thing or two about Rangers, then you know all these so-called experts are creating mass confusion and hysteria on the interwebz. So, in an effort to set the record straight, I thought I would lay out the pertinent information that anyone needs to know about this topic.
Although I have not attended every course I am about to speak of, I served in the US Army from 2005 until my separation in 2013. Of that time, I served in 1st Ranger Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment for over four years, where I completed three deployments to Iraq and two to Afghanistan. The remainder of my time I spent in the Syracuse Recruiting Battalion, where I am proud to say that I mentored sixteen different young men who made it into the 75th Ranger Regiment. Outside of my military experience, I am also the author of Ranger Knowledge: The All Inclusive Study Guide For Rangers and Violence of Action: The Untold Stories of the 75th Ranger Regiment in the War on Terror.
Ranger Training and Assessment Course (RTAC) – The RTAC course is a 16-day preparatory course for Ranger School. It is run by the Army National Guard Warrior Training Center, and primarily used by National Guard students, but open to students of any unit. It is located on Fort Benning, Georgia and is divided in to two phases: RAP phase and Patrolling phase. All National Guard soldiers who want to attend Ranger School must pass this course first. It should be noticed that many Army installations run a similar course to prepare their soldiers for Ranger School in a similar way.
US Army Ranger Course (Ranger School) – Ranger School is 62 days long with a 42% graduation rate, and is considered the Army’s toughest leadership course. Ranger School is a mentally and physically challenging course that teaches small unit infantry tactics and develops leadership skills under austere conditions meant to simulate the exhaustion of real combat operations. The course falls under the US Army Training and Doctrine Command, and is run by the Airborne and Ranger Training Brigade, which also runs the Army’s Airborne School, Jumpmaster School, and Pathfinder School.
The course incorporates three phases (Benning, Mountain, and Swamp), which follow the crawl, walk, run training methodology. After completion of these three phases, Ranger School graduates are considered proficient in leading squad and platoon dismounted operations in a variety of climates and terrain. Upon graduation, they are awarded and authorized the black and gold “Ranger Tab” on their left shoulder.
Second Lt. Jorge Ramirez, a member of Joint Task Force Domestic Support-Counterdrug, receives his Ranger tab after completing Ranger School July 16, 2010. USNG photo by 2nd Lt. Kara Siepmann.
After completion of the course, graduates return to their units and are expected to take leadership positions shortly after their return. Soldiers of any military occupational specialty (MOS), and any branch of service, as well as some allied nation service members can attend this course. There are no formal pre-requisite courses for attendance at Ranger School. Ranger School does not require students to be airborne qualified before attending. It should be noted that although soldiers are considered “Ranger Qualified,” graduation of this course does not qualify a service member for service in the 75th Ranger Regiment.
75th Ranger Regiment – The 75th Ranger Regiment is a special operations unit that falls under the US Army Special Operations Command, which falls under the US Special Operations Command – the parent organization of other SOF units such as Navy SEALs, Marine Raiders, and Army Special Forces “Green Berets.” The 75th Ranger Regiment’s mission is to plan and conduct special missions in support of US policy and objectives. They are considered the go-to direct action raid unit, and have killed or captured more high value targets in the War on Terror than any other unit. The Regiment is composed of four Ranger battalions: 1st Ranger Battalion on Hunter Army Airfield, GA, 2nd Ranger Battalion on Joint Base Lewis-McChord, WA, and 3rd Ranger Battalion and Regimental Special Troops Battalion on Fort Benning, GA. They are readily identified by their tan beret’s and red, white, and black “Ranger Scroll.” All soldiers assigned are graduates of either RASP 1 or 2.
Rangers assigned to the 75th Ranger Regiment are expected to go to the US Army Ranger School before taking a leadership position, but are not required to attend before serving in the Regiment. It should be noted that Ranger School and the 75th Ranger Regiment are completely different entities under completely different commands with completely different missions, and one is not needed for the other.
Ranger Assessment and Selection Program 1 (RASP 1) – RASP 1 is an 8-week course ran by the 75th Ranger Regiment and boasts an approximate 33% graduation rate (that number can vary based on time of year as well as other factors). It selects and trains soldiers in the rank of Private through Sergeant for service in the 75th Ranger Regiment. Upon completion of this course, graduates have the basic capabilities to conduct operations as a junior member of a Ranger strike force or command element.
RASP 1 is divided into two phases. Phase 1 is the primary “weeding out” phase, as well as conducts initial standard testing, such as the timed road marches and PT and swim tests. Phase 1 also includes the notoriously brutal “Cole Range” week of training. Phase 2 focuses more on the special operations-peculiar skills needed for service in the Regiment, such as explosive breaching, advanced marksmanship, and advanced first-responder skills. Upon graduation of RASP 1, the new Rangers are awarded the Black, Red, and White “Ranger Scroll” as well as the Khaki (tan) Beret. At this point, they are considered full-fledged Rangers and are assigned to one of the four Ranger Battalions of the 75th Ranger Regiment. It should be noted that Ranger School is not required before attendance at RASP 1, but some students are Ranger School graduates already. Airborne School is a required pre-requisite though, as all soldiers need to be airborne-qualified for service in the 75thRanger Regiment.
Pvt. Howard Urban is congratulated by his father Sgt. Maj. Howard Urban, guest speaker, at the 75th Ranger Regiment RASP Class 05-15 Graduation at Fort Benning. Photo by Pfc. Eric Overfelt, 75th Ranger Regiment documentation specialist.
Ranger Assesment and Selection Program 2 (RASP 2) –RASP 2 is a 21-day course that is ran by the 75th Ranger Regiment. It is for soldiers in the rank of Staff Sergeant and above, and all officers volunteering for assignment to the 75th Ranger Regiment. This course assesses and selects mid- and senior-grade leaders for assignment to the 75th Ranger Regiment and teaches them the operational techniques and standards needed for their time in the Regiment. Upon successful completion of this course, graduates are awarded the Black, Red, and White “Ranger Scroll” as well as the Khaki (tan) Beret and are assigned to one of the four battalions in the 75th Ranger Regiment. It should be noted that Ranger School is not required before attendances at RASP 2, but most students are already Ranger School graduates.
Small Unit Ranger Tactics (SURT) – SURT, formerly known as “Pre-Ranger Course (PRC),” is a three-week program that is run by the 75th Ranger Regiment, for Rangers already in the Regiment who will be attending the US Army Ranger School. Because the 75th Ranger Regiment and the Ranger School are so different, this course is designed to prepare Rangers for the “School” way of doing things, and ensure they have the best shot at success in Ranger School.
Hopefully this short primer explains all the nuances of anything relating to the Army Rangers, and maybe even answers a few questions that are floating around in response to the pending female graduates of Ranger School. Chief among them, “Why aren’t they going to the Ranger Regiment if they passed Ranger School?” Because Ranger School has nothing to do with the 75th Ranger Regiment and is definitely not the selection course for service in the 75th.
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Há também os Airlite da crye precision que também usam sistema similar de colocar os equipamentos.Ckrauslo escreveu:Os FE estão usando o mesmo modelo de colete utilizado pelos Prec paraquedista.
Não o acho em lugar algum mas achei um similar chamado de Hagakure Plate Carrier.
Kept you waiting, huh?
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Existe um outro colete que foi criado para substituir o MBAV (Da Eagle Ind) Para operações especiais nos EUA, utilizados por unidades do SOCOM.
Esse novo colete também é Produzido pela Eagle Ind e chama-se SOFBAV Aero Assault (Special Operations Forces Body Armor Vest)
Também possui um painel traseiro que aceita zipper para acoplagem de painéis pré montados (Assaulters kit, etc)
E o outro que também foi escolhido (Isso ocorreu por volta de 2013)
Foi o Crye Precision AVS, a Crye estava concorrendo com outro colete o CPC.
Porém apenas o AVS foi escolhido.
Possivelmente na foto dos SAS, poderia ser também o SOFBAV já que unidades especiais dentro da OTAN normalmente utilizam equipamentos similares, e por bastante tempo SAS utilizou equipamentos eagle.
Unidades JSOC normalmente utilizam os Seguintes coletes: LBT 6094, Crye Precision JPC e AVS, em alguns casos já vi fotos de militares utilizando o CPC.
Falo isso por que O CPC e o SOFBAV são muito similares, então em fotos com colete em Multicam é possível ficar em duvida entre ambos, mas pelo que consta nas informações divulgadas pela Eagle Ind é que os mesmos fabricam o SOFBAV apenas em Multicam.
Ou o equipamento em outras cores como (Rangers green, e Coyote) são possivelmente os CPC da Crye Precision.
Outro colete que foi muito utilizado pelas FE americanas foi o MMAC
Que possui versões diferentes para tipos de placas diferentes
Nessa primeira imagem apresenta configuração para placas ESAPI/SAPI
E possui também configuração para aceitar Placas Swimmers CUT
Que seria essa imagem com perfil mais fino e pontudo.
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Me parece quase que todos não passam de meninos vestidos de farda a brincar de soldados...cabeça de martelo escreveu:This is everything you need to know about Army Rangers
Pvt. Howard Urban is congratulated by his father Sgt. Maj. Howard Urban, guest speaker, at the 75th Ranger Regiment RASP Class 05-15 Graduation at Fort Benning. Photo by Pfc. Eric Overfelt, 75th Ranger Regiment documentation specialist.
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Acabaram de passar o RASP, ou seja são rapariada na casa dos 18/20 anos. No entanto são esta rapaziada que vai para a guerra.
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Aqui não é muito diferente no caso de soldados e cabos voluntários ao curso de comandos.FCarvalho escreveu:Me parece quase que todos não passam de meninos vestidos de farda a brincar de soldados...cabeça de martelo escreveu:This is everything you need to know about Army Rangers
Pvt. Howard Urban is congratulated by his father Sgt. Maj. Howard Urban, guest speaker, at the 75th Ranger Regiment RASP Class 05-15 Graduation at Fort Benning. Photo by Pfc. Eric Overfelt, 75th Ranger Regiment documentation specialist.
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Nesta idade ainda falta muito, mas muito mesmo, para mandar estes meninos a qualquer guerra. Mas quando é o que se tem, é o que se manda.cabeça de martelo escreveu:Acabaram de passar o RASP, ou seja são rapariada na casa dos 18/20 anos. No entanto são esta rapaziada que vai para a guerra.
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Repito o que disse ao Cabeça, não tem idade para ir a guerra nenhuma. E diria até maturidade para tanto.Frederico Vitor escreveu:Aqui não é muito diferente no caso de soldados e cabos voluntários ao curso de comandos.
Mas quando é o que se tem.
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Muito Bom! Sempre tem um deles por aqui... e nossos FE, Comandos ou Prec lá.cabeça de martelo escreveu:
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É assim desde os tempos antigos, olhe os vikings por exemplo, os guris atingiam a maturidade aos 13 ou 14FCarvalho escreveu:Repito o que disse ao Cabeça, não tem idade para ir a guerra nenhuma. E diria até maturidade para tanto.Frederico Vitor escreveu:Aqui não é muito diferente no caso de soldados e cabos voluntários ao curso de comandos.
Mas quando é o que se tem.
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E já eram levados pelos mais experientes para o combate.
Toda sociedade belicosa antigamente até hoje os jovens entravam nessa vida bem cedo.
A verdade é que não fomos feitos biologicamente para viver mais do que uns 45/50 anos, temos evoluído nesse ponto graças a nossa medicina.
Mas se não fosse a mesma, não viveríamos muito mais que isso mesmo.
Quanto a maturidade isso é da criação...
Maturidade é um conceito.
É a sociedade molda esse conceito baseado na realidade que vivem.
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Sim, compreende tudo isso, mas de qualquer forma, essa nossa própria evolução está aí para tornar mais ainda contraditória isso de mandar "meninos" para a guerra, uma vez que, supostamente, nossa maturidade enquanto seres humanos também deveria atingir na mesma escala o embasamento das relações interpessoais e, por conseguinte, internacionais na resolução dos problemas.Ckrauslo escreveu:É assim desde os tempos antigos, olhe os vikings por exemplo, os guris atingiam a maturidade aos 13 ou 14.E já eram levados pelos mais experientes para o combate.
Toda sociedade belicosa antigamente até hoje os jovens entravam nessa vida bem cedo.
A verdade é que não fomos feitos biologicamente para viver mais do que uns 45/50 anos, temos evoluído nesse ponto graças a nossa medicina. Mas se não fosse a mesma, não viveríamos muito mais que isso mesmo. Quanto a maturidade isso é da criação...
Maturidade é um conceito.
É a sociedade molda esse conceito baseado na realidade que vivem.
Mas o que se vê é bem o contrário. Demos passos gigantescos na tecnologia, na medicina, nas ciências, nas relações humanas, mas parece que no fim, ainda continuamos os mesmos de sempre, quando se trata de certas questões. Vale sempre o "pouca farinha, meu pirão primeiro."
Duas guerras mundias, quase meio século sob ameaça de auto-extermínio, e conflitos locais, regionais e internacionais que volta e maia estão parecem onipresentes, provam que não aprendemos nada.
Enfim, vamos continuar a enviar nossos jovens para lutar - e morrer - nas guerras dos outros, por interesses alheios sem o menor pudor. Com ou sem justificativas. Afinal, maturidade, ou a falta dela, é só mais um conceito sócio-antropológico do qual ninguém quer saber mesmo. Nem generais e/ou políticos.
Contudo, parece que a opinião dos pais e familiares desses jovens não condiz friamente com isso.
Mas este também é um dado que não interessa àqueles que sustentam as guerras pelo mundo afora.
Afinal, busness is busness.
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