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#3421 Mensagem por gaia » Ter Nov 04, 2014 7:25 am

rodrigo escreveu:
É curioso , que ouvi na TVI , que mesmo com os dois caças da FAP , que os aviões russos não respondiam, e imediatamente levantaram voo mais quatro caças , para reforçarem
E fazer o que?
Aí é que está a questão , esta estória não está bem contada ....

A base aérea de Monte Real esteve muito ativa nesses dias ...


Segundo o Nuno Rogeiro , os caças nestas operações põe os bombardeiros na mira , e estes através dos seus instrumentos , também sabem , é um jogo , em que todos estão armados ....

Mas o mais grave é que os bombardeiros , tinham os seus dispositivos de sinalização desligados , não respondiam às comunicações dos caças, e representavam um perigo para a aviação civil.




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#3422 Mensagem por rodrigo » Ter Nov 04, 2014 11:48 am

gaia escreveu:
rodrigo escreveu: E fazer o que?
Aí é que está a questão , esta estória não está bem contada ....

A base aérea de Monte Real esteve muito ativa nesses dias ...


Segundo o Nuno Rogeiro , os caças nestas operações põe os bombardeiros na mira , e estes através dos seus instrumentos , também sabem , é um jogo , em que todos estão armados ....

Mas o mais grave é que os bombardeiros , tinham os seus dispositivos de sinalização desligados , não respondiam às comunicações dos caças, e representavam um perigo para a aviação civil.
A OTAN é muito fraca, se fosse aqui, com a lei do abate, queria ver esses russos se metendo a besta :wink:




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#3423 Mensagem por P44 » Ter Nov 04, 2014 4:54 pm

o que vi na TV é que inicialmente descolaram 2 F-16 e com receio de que ficassem sem combustivel antes dos russos sairem do espaço aéreo que nos está designado, descolaram mais 2 F-16 que iriam substituir os 2 primeiros em caso de necessidade.




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#3424 Mensagem por Wingate » Ter Nov 04, 2014 5:29 pm

gaia escreveu:
rodrigo escreveu: E fazer o que?
Aí é que está a questão , esta estória não está bem contada ....

A base aérea de Monte Real esteve muito ativa nesses dias ...


Segundo o Nuno Rogeiro , os caças nestas operações põe os bombardeiros na mira , e estes através dos seus instrumentos , também sabem , é um jogo , em que todos estão armados ....

Mas o mais grave é que os bombardeiros , tinham os seus dispositivos de sinalização desligados , não respondiam às comunicações dos caças, e representavam um perigo para a aviação civil.
Deveriam inventar um dispositivo (semelhante aqueles instalados em aeronaves para produzir o efeito "fumaça" e para trabalhos de fumigação de plantações) para ser instalado nos caças que pudesse manchar os aviões invasores com tinta bem forte para que os imbecis voltassem todos sujos para as bases). A "proeza" poderia ficar bem cara para os russos, sem mortos ou feridos :twisted:

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#3425 Mensagem por pt » Qua Nov 05, 2014 2:31 pm

A OTAN é muito fraca, se fosse aqui, com a lei do abate, queria ver esses russos se metendo a besta
Não creio que a lei do abate se pudesse aplicar, no Atlântico, fora de espaço aéreo por cima das águas territoriais.

Além disso, os aviões russos têm escrito, em letras garrafais e em cirilico VVS RUSSIA.
Os aviões russos não são aviões não identificados que poderiam estar a violar a lei.
A verdade é que, embora possa efetuar operações que são perigosas (como fizeram) eles não fizeram nada que violasse a lei.

É claro que, aviões russos, com muitas décadas podem ter problemas mecânicos ... :mrgreen:




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#3426 Mensagem por NettoBR » Qui Nov 06, 2014 10:37 am

Os russos realmente gostaram da hospitalidade lusitana... :lol:

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#3427 Mensagem por hades767676 » Qui Nov 06, 2014 4:49 pm

A verdade é que os russos estão dando as forças armadas portuguesas algo pra fazer...




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#3428 Mensagem por mmatuso » Qui Nov 06, 2014 6:10 pm

Os russos leram os posts do PT aqui no forum e estão dando o troco. :mrgreen:




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#3429 Mensagem por cabeça de martelo » Sex Nov 07, 2014 9:00 am

Não digo que não seja um dos motivos, mas não será que o facto de muito recentemente se ter firmado um acordo histórico que irá permitir aos estados membros a exportação de energia também terá a ver com isso?

Portugal (e Espanha) são sem dúvida nenhuma, os potenciais grandes fornecedores da Europa da chamada energia renovável.. Não irá mexer isso com o bolso dos Russos?
Reforço este texto ao dizer que para além das ditas energias "verdes", a Peninsula Ibérica recebe do norte de áfrica gás natural e isso será uma possível opção ao gás Russo.




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#3431 Mensagem por cabeça de martelo » Sáb Nov 08, 2014 1:16 pm

Top Spymaster Explains How Russian Intelligence Sees the US
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This is an edited version of an interview Nikolai Patrushev, the Secretary of Russia’s Security Council, gave to the official government newspaper Rossiskaya Gazeta.

Patrushev is one of Putin's most important advisors on national security. His position is similar in some ways to that of the US President’s National Security Adviser.

As important about what Patrushev does, is who he was. He is Russia’s most senior intelligence official.

He has served continuously in intelligence since he joined the KGB in 1975 and was from 1999 to 2008 chief of Russia’s FSB – the successor organization to the KGB. He left this post to become the Secretary to Russia’s Security Council.

One of Patrushev’s key jobs is to collate intelligence information provided by Russia’s various intelligence agencies and to provide it to Putin and to Russia’s other key foreign policy decision makers.

In this interview Patrushev gives insight into what Russia’s intelligence agencies are telling the Kremlin. Thus we learn that Russian intelligence:

1. Did not expect Yanukovych to fall because of the Maidan protests;

2. Did however warn the Kremlin long ago that a pro-Western coup in Ukraine was only a question of time because of massive US subversion in the country.

We also get an idea of how Russian intelligence sees the world.

According to its view US hostility to Russia is an unvarying “constant” because Russia, irrespective of its system of government, resists US policies aimed at achieving world hegemony and because the US wants to control Russia’s immense natural resources in order to seal its hegemony.

Russia’s ties to China and India and the emergence of the BRICS bloc have merely provoked the US to intensify its campaign against Russia. Events such as the war in Afghanistan in the 1980s, the rebellion in Chechnya in the 1990s, the Georgian attack on South Ossetia in 2008 and the February coup this year in Ukraine, are all simply manifestations of US policies targeted at Russia.

One does not have to agree with every part of this view. For example the claim that the USSR collapsed because of a US engineered fall in oil prices as part of some carefully thought out US “strategy of vulnerabilities”, though widely believed and not just in Russia, is a myth and serves as a typical case of a spymaster’s belief in external, conspiratorial causes for events that actually had purely domestic, structural and sometimes even accidental causes.

Patrushev also undoubtedly overstates the degree of coherence in US policy and the extent to which US policy is always and invariably hostile to Russia.

There is however much that is compelling about this view and it is easy to understand why within Russia it is becoming increasingly influential.

From a Russian point of view it is not difficult to see US policy since the USSR’s break up (eg. NATO’s eastern expansion, the tearing up of the ABM Treaty and positioning of anti-ballistic missiles in eastern Europe, the US support for “colour revolutions” in the countries of the former USSR, the US support for anti-government groups within Russia itself, the US’s wars of intervention in many parts of the world and last but by no means least the ferocious US media campaign against Russia) as unremittingly hostile towards Russia.

For the increasing number of Russians who hold this view (including its intelligence community) the US backed coup in Ukraine was the final proof.


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Russian Intelligence failed to Predict Yanukovych’s February Overthrow

Our specialists were warning of the high probability of an escalation of the situation in Ukraine in the context of political and economic instability, particularly under external influence. At the same time it should be acknowledged that the probability of an imminent instant seizure of power in Kiev with the support of militant groups of open Nazis was not considered at that time. Let me remind you that prior to the coup you mentioned, Moscow was implementing in full all its partnership commitments to Kiev.

We were constantly providing material and financial aid, without which Ukraine was in no condition to cope with economic difficulties that had become chronic in nature. To support our neighbours, material and financial resources amounting to tens of billions of dollars were mobilized. Unfortunately for many people in Ukraine this aid became, in time, so customary that its importance for the country’s survival was simply forgotten.

Russian Intelligence Did Predict a Pro US Coup in Ukraine

As for longer-term predictions, the Ukraine crisis was an entirely expected outcome of systematic activity by the United States and its closest allies.

For the past quarter of a century this activity has been directed towards completely separating Ukraine and the other republics of the former USSR from Russia and totally reformatting the post-Soviet space to suit American interests. The conditions and pretexts were created for colour revolutions, supported by generous state funding.

Thus, Victoria Nuland, US assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, has repeatedly stated that during the period 1991 through 2013 Washington spent 5bn dollars on “supporting the desire of the people of Ukraine for stronger, more democratic government”.

According to figures from open sources alone, for instance US Congress documents, the total amount of state funding for various American programmes of “aid” to Ukraine in the period 2001 through 2012 came to at least 2.4bn dollars. That is comparable with the annual budget of some small countries. The US Agency for International Development spent about 1.5bn dollars, the State Department nearly half a billion, and the Pentagon more than 370m dollars.

According to congressional records, organizations such as the Millennium Challenge Corporation, the Peace Corps, and the Open World Centre took part in Ukrainian aid programmes, in addition to the well-known USAID and other departments. It is not hard to guess for whom and why American volunteers and staffers of diplomatic missions have been “opening the world” throughout the 23 years since the breakup of the Soviet Union.

….. as a result of this activity…..an entire generation was raised that is completely poisoned with hatred of Russia and with the mythology of “European values”. It has not yet realized that these values, even in the positive sense of the term, are not actually designed for Ukrainians. Nobody intends to set about boosting living standards in Ukraine or establishing these young people in Europe, which is itself having great difficulty coping with extremely serious challenges and threats.

The Coup in Ukraine is a Disaster First and Foremost for Ukraine itself

I think the “sobering up” of the Ukrainians will be harsh and painful. It remains to be hoped that this will happen relatively quickly, and a whole string of objective factors could promote that.

I would like to note another factor that is of fundamental significance. Irrespective of the subsequent development of events, the significance of the one for the other – Russia and Ukraine – will persist. Ukraine will simply not be able to develop successfully without Russia, whether anyone likes it or not.

……whereas for Russia the total severance of …….links would be a painful blow, for Ukraine it would be disastrous. It is no accident that current President Petro Poroshenko was obliged, in the wake of his ousted predecessor, to raise the question of postponing the implementation of economic section of the already signed association agreement between Ukraine and the EU. It is to be expected that the victory euphoria of other Kiev rulers will also give way to more sober assessment of the real state of affairs.

US Policy towards Russia today simply continues US Policy towards the USSR during the Cold War

…... if the catastrophe in Ukraine had not happened some other grounds would have been found to step up the policy of “containment” of our country. This course has been pursued unswervingly for many decades; only the forms and tactics of its implementation change.

As you know, after World War II the confrontation between the USSR and the West headed by the United States took the form of a “cold war”. The military-political component of this standoff was entrusted to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), formed on the initiative of the United States on 4 April 1949. An analysis of NATO’s practical activity indicates that in creating the alliance the United States was pursuing two main objectives.

First, a military bloc directed against the USSR was formed under American leadership.

Second, Washington forestalled the emergence in Western Europe of an autonomous grouping of states that could have competed with the United States. It should be recalled that the territory of the United States itself, which essentially established unilateral military control over the allies, is not included in NATO’s zone of responsibility.

After the breakup of the USSR and the termination of the Warsaw Pact, which united Europe’s socialist countries and which by definition represented the main danger to NATO, not only was the bloc not disbanded, it began to expand even more in quantitative and military terms.

The US Engineered the USSR’s Collapse by Identifying its “Points of Vulnerability”

In the cold war period a whole string of ideological doctrines emerged in the West that served as justification for an anti-Soviet political course. One of the authors of this kind of research was Zbigniew Brzezinski, an American political scientist and statesman of Polish extraction. He established the so-called strategy of “vulnerabilities” in relation to the USSR, and under President Reagan this became the basis of American policy towards our country…….The identification and definition of “vulnerabilities” and the task of organizing ways of converting them into substantial problems for the USSR were entrusted to the US Central Intelligence Agency.is work, first and foremost economists but also experts from the business world who had real experience of business wars with competitors. As a result of large-scale analytical work, the USSR’s “vulnerabilities” in the political, economic, ideological, and other spheres were defined and systematically studied.

Our country’s main “vulnerability,” as defined by the CIA, was its economy. After detailed modelling, the American experts identified its “weakest link”, namely the USSR budget’s extremely high dependence on the export of energy resources. A strategy of provoking the financial and economic bankruptcy of the Soviet state was formulated, envisaging two interconnected objectives: the bringing about of a sharp reduction in revenue to the USSR’s budget from foreign trade, combined with a substantial increase in expenditure on resolving problems created from outside.

A reduction in world oil prices was envisaged as the main measure for reducing the income side of the budget. This was successfully achieved by the mid-1980s when, as a result of US collusion with the rulers of a number of oil extracting countries, an artificial surplus of crude was created on the market and oil prices fell almost by a factor of four.

A growth in the Soviet Union’s expenditure was provoked in several areas: the transition from the strategy of American opposition to the USSR in Afghanistan to the strategy of dragging it deeply into the Afghan war; the incitement of antigovernment demonstrations in Poland and other states in the socialist camp with a view to provoking Moscow into additional expenditures on stabilizing the situation in Eastern Europe; the whipping up of the arms race, among other things by introducing the SDI [Strategic Defence Initiative] bluff, and so forth.

It should be said that at that time the Americans succeeded in achieving their objectives. The outcome of their activity was a substantial excess in the USSR’s expenditure over income, which ultimately provoked a profound economic crisis that extended into the political and ideological spheres. Shortsighted attempts by the Soviet leadership to alleviate the situation through foreign financial aid gave Washington additional levers of influence over Moscow. The “recovery” measures proposed by the West and implemented through the IMF and the World Bank to liberalize foreign trade without a smooth transition from the previous monopoly system led to the final collapse of the economy.

In the assessment of American experts, it was the strategy of “vulnerabilities”, which demonstrated the colossal effectiveness of economic variety of cold war compared with “hot” war,that was decisive in promoting the elimination of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact.

The US Backed Coup in Ukraine and Sanctions are part of a US Strategy of “Points of Vulnerability” aimed at Russia

……The coup d’etat in Kiev, accomplished with clear US support, followed the classical pattern tried and tested in Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East. But never before has such a scheme affected Russian interests so profoundly.

Analysis shows that by provoking Russia into retaliatory steps the Americans are pursuing the very same objectives as in the 1980s with regard to the USSR. Just like back then, they are trying to identify our country’s “vulnerabilities”. At the same time, incidentally, they are pursuing the objective of neutralizing European economic competitors who have, in Washington’s opinion, grown excessively close to Moscow.

……Washington has always sought to have levers of pressure on Russia. Thus, in 1974 the famous Jackson-Vanik Amendment was adopted, restricting trade relations with our country. It appeared to have completely lost its relevance immediately after the breakup of the USSR, but it was still in force right up to 2012, when the so-called “Magnitsky List” was promptly adopted in its place.

The current sanctions are in the same category. The US Administration’s activity in the Ukrainian sphere is taking place within the framework of an updated White House foreign policy course aimed at holding on to American leadership in the world by means of the strategic containment of the growing influence of the Russian Federation and other centres of power. In this context Washington is actively making use, on its own terms, of NATO’s potential, seeking to use political and economic pressure to prevent any vacillations on the part of its allies and partners.

Yugoslavia was a Dress Rehearsal and Russia’s Weaknesss under Yeltsin let it Happen

In the 1990s the Russian Federation, for well-known reasons of an internal and external nature, lost the dominant influence in the Balkans that the Soviet Union had enjoyed and embarked on the path of conciliation with the West. It was in the Balkans that the unilateral and totally uncompensated surrender by Russia of its positions in the international arena was manifested most distinctly. In 1991-1996 the bodies that shaped our country’s foreign policy did not officially even have any such concept as “national interest”. They nurtured groundless expectations of gratitude for obedience from the Western partners and some kind of special benefit for our country from close and unconditional cooperation with the United States. In practice our American partners almost immediately stopped taking us seriously and only gave us a condescending “slap on the shoulder”, so to speak, from time to time.

The NATO bloc, under cover of peacekeeping and without encountering serious objections from our side, operated increasingly confidently outside its own zone of responsibility, sought the rights to lease strategic infrastructure facilities for lengthy periods, and effectively brought the organs of military command and control of a number of Balkan countries under its own control by various means. The Alliance’s subunits became firmly established in the region. Other states taking part in peacekeeping missions, including Russia, set themselves no such objectives, having reconciled themselves to the role of junior partners and preferring not to see the self-evident fact: The war in the Balkans could perfectly well be regarded as a rehearsal and a prologue to larger-scale steps to redivide the world.

The US “War on Terror” Gave Russia only a Temporary Respite

……Encouraged by the weakening and subsequent elimination of the USSR, American ruling circles did everything possible to ensure dominance over the major sources of raw materials resources in our country and in Central Asia, as well as the transit routes for their export. Washington planned to extend its sphere of direct influence to the regions of the Black Sea, the Caucasus, and the Caspian.

All these territories were named a US zone of strategic national interests. The only remaining obstacle to the realization of the Americans’ plans to take complete control of the corresponding deposits and transport corridors was Russia, which preserved its military potential to inflict unacceptable damage on the United States.

American strategists saw the solution to this difficulty in the final collapse of the system of state power and the subsequent dismemberment of our country. The first region that was supposed to leave Russia was the North Caucasus.

Particular importance was attached to Chechnya, which declared its independence and was temporarily under the effective control of the West. Extremists and their supporters in Russia were offered support by the special services of Britain, the United States, and allies in Europe and the Islamic world.

In these conditions the Russian leadership adopted a firm, principled stance of defending the unity of the state. Ultimately, as a result of the firm political will displayed by Russian President Vladimir Putin and at the cost of enormous efforts, it proved possible to stop attempts to detach Chechnya from Russia and then to consolidate the Republic’s place within the Federation.

After 11 September 2001 the world community recognized the terrorist threat as the main threat and a global threat, reaching the understanding that countering this threat requires common efforts. As a result there was, in particular, a slight weakening of the West’s attacks on Russia because of its campaign against international terrorists in the Caucasus, while we did not object to the operation by the Americans and their allies in Afghanistan. The announcement of the formation of a broad antiterrorist coalition followed.

At that time Washington displayed a certain readiness to collaborate, although in actual fact it did not intend to abandon the policy of “containment” with regard to Russia. More and more new NATO facilities moved up to our borders. International law was supplanted by the law of force (let us recall the aforementioned dismemberment of Yugoslavia, followed by Serbia, the occupation of Iraq, and the invasion of Afghanistan by the so-called coalition forces).

Russia’s post 1999 Revival and its forging Alliances with China, India and the other BRICS Has Alarmed the US

After 7-8 August 2008, when the Georgian leadership, with US support, attempted to annihilate South Ossetia, the world once again changed substantially.

Everything was staked on surprise. The Georgian dictator believed that a military incursion on the opening day of the international Olympic Games would put Russia in a difficult position, and the Georgians, taking advantage of this, would carry out their “blitzkrieg”. However, the Russian leadership reacted promptly to the sharp deterioration in the situation and the necessary measures were adopted to halt the aggression.

After the August events in the Caucasus, Washington was clearly alarmed by Russia’s obvious intention to take its place among the world powers of the 21st century and uphold the principle of equal opportunities and full autonomy in global politics. And also to convert the state’s financial income from the exploitation of natural resources into real economic and defence potential and human capital.

The American leadership clearly also disliked the prospects of Russia’s collaboration with China and India, the introduction of the practice of summits in the BRICS format, the successful activity of other organizations in which Russia occupies leading positions (the CSTO [Collective Security Treaty Organization], the SCO [Shanghai Cooperation Organization], and the EAEC [Eurasian Economic Community]), and the formation of the Customs Union.

In the context of the growing world financial and economic crisis, major new players in the international arena such as the PRC, India, Brazil, and Iran as well as the growing economies of Southeast Asia and South Korea became increasingly significant factors for the United States. Hence, incidentally, the emergence of new conceptual principles such as the American-Chinese special partnership, the strategic collaboration between the United States and India, the establishment of direct dialogue between Washington and Iran, and so forth.

Indications of the need to resume the beneficial dialogue with Russia on a whole range of issues began to emerge from the new administration of President Barack Obama. This positive inclination on the part of the American authorities could only be welcomed.

However, it soon became clear that Washington is not inclined towards real cooperation. It confined itself to mere statements of friendliness and the devising of certain negotiation tracks from which the benefit to Russia, in the end, proved almost zero. After a while even totally nonbinding positive dialogues of this kind came to an end and the US attitude towards our country began once again to be reminiscent of cold war times.

The US aims to gain Control of Russia’s Energy, Food and Water Resources to Seal its Domination

……specialists are certain that no real substitute for hydrocarbons as the basis of power generation will emerge in the next few decades. Furthermore the understanding prevails in the West that the total capacity of nuclear, hydro, wind, solar, and other power stations will meet no more than one-fifth of world demand.

Nor should another important aspect be forgotten. In the modern world we can observe a steady growth in the shortage of food and drinking water for the growing population of the planet. The absence of the most elementary means of existence pushes desperate people into manifestations of extremism and involvement in terrorism, piracy, and crime. This is one reason for the acute conflicts between countries and regions and also for mass migration.

The shortage of water and irrigated land is not infrequently the cause of friction, for instance, between the Central Asian republics. The problem of water resources is acute in a number of other countries in Asia and particularly in Africa.

Many American experts, in particular former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, assert that there are vast territories “under Moscow’s power” that it is incapable of exploiting and which therefore “do not serve the interests of all humanity”. Assertions continue to be heard about the “unfair” distribution of natural resources and the need to ensure so-called “free access” to them for other states.

The Americans are convinced that people must be thinking in similar terms in many other states, particularly those neighbouring on Russia, and that in the future they will, as is nowadays the custom, form “coalitions” to support the corresponding claims on our country. As in the case of Ukraine, it is proposed to resolve problems at Russia’s expense but without taking its interests into account.

The Threat to Russia from the US is “Constant” and “Thaws” Never Last

Even during periods of a relative thaw in relations between Russia (the USSR) and the United States, our American partners have always remained true to such notions.

Therefore irrespective of the nuances in the behaviour of the Americans and their allies the Russian leadership still faces this task as a constant: To guarantee the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Motherland, to defend and multiply its riches, and to manage them correctly in the interests of the multiethnic people of the Russian Federation.


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#3432 Mensagem por NettoBR » Sáb Nov 08, 2014 7:47 pm

wagnerm25 escreveu:Essa é divertida. Quase coloquei lá na parte das piadas.

Putin: Life Means Nothing Without Love

http://en.ria.ru/society/20141107/19526 ... -Love.html

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O Putin vai lançar um disco só com românticas... Vou lá agora comprar o meu!!! [075]


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Re: RÚSSIA

#3433 Mensagem por P44 » Dom Nov 09, 2014 12:06 pm

Não se preocupem, em 2016 teremos de novo um presidente Republicano na Casa Branca e voltaremos aos bons velhos tempos da Guerra Fria :mrgreen:




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Re: RÚSSIA

#3434 Mensagem por NettoBR » Dom Nov 09, 2014 12:43 pm

O Obama não tem culhões para debater com o Putin... :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBqkOA5UxW8




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#3435 Mensagem por mmatuso » Ter Nov 11, 2014 2:44 pm

Putin o comedor:
http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/mundo/2014 ... hina.shtml

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