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[Carlos Lima]

Luiz, querem o Mitinga-NG, ponto.

Ou QUS, que a tia já Disse que nem sonhando.

É amigo... não duvido trocarmos o F-5 do Séc. XX pelo F-5 do Sec. XXI ...

Cada país com a imagem que faz de si mesmo.

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[Carlos Mathias]

Olha, cuidado porque nem todo mundo precisa embarcar nessa canoa, se é que me entendes.
Daí, no futuro certas comparações poderiam ficar esquisitas.

Já começa com 36 X 48.

[Carlos Lima]

Olha, cuidado porque nem todo mundo precisa embarcar nessa canoa, se é que me entendes.
Daí, no futuro certas comparações poderiam ficar esquisitas.

Já começa com 36 X 48.

Essa canoa já tem nome e sobrenome... e ticket reservado ja faz um bom tempo... e como vocês dizem... a fila... (e o filé) andam...

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[Carlos Mathias]

[Túlio]

Que eu saiba, o FX é DE 24 a 36 aeronaves mas o pessoal parece esquecer sempre disso. Os caças para a MB são para a década de 20, onde - no caso de os orçamentos suportarem a Grande Crise - reinarão incontestes os 5G, ficando meio que sem sentido a aquisição de 4G, seja qual for...

[P44]

talvez se fabrique um F-5G...

[Penguin]

Um detalhe curiosos emerge nessa nova aquisição de 42 Su-30 pela India.
Os Su-30 não serão fabricados na India. Serão montados na Índia a partir de kits enviados da Russia.

Russia Signs Deal to Sell 42 Jets to India - Defense News

AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Published: 16 Dec 2011 12:06

MOSCOW - Visiting Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev oversaw the signing of an agreement Dec. 16 to sell to India 42 Su-30 jets in kit form as the Kremlin scrambles to retain ties with its Soviet-era arms purchaser.

The two leaders sought to play up progress in bilateral ties, stressing they withstood the test of time.

"Our cooperation with India in the military technical sphere has reached an unprecedented level," Medvedev said in comments released by the Kremlin.

After the talks the two leaders oversaw the signing of an agreement to "render technical assistance in the organization of production of the SU-30 plane," the Kremlin said in a statement without providing further details.

The Kremlin said ahead of the signing the two sides had planned to ink an agreement to supply India with 42 Su-30 jets in kit form that would be assembled in India.

New Delhi and Moscow have enjoyed close ties that date back to the 1950s but relations have recently come under strain as India becomes more demanding over pricing and quality and looks to other countries like Israel and the United States as potential military suppliers.

Singh said the two countries discussed nuclear cooperation and supplies of liquefied gas adding they also agreed the terms of a Russian loan to build two additional generating units at a nuclear power plant in the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu.

[Penguin]

Mais detalhes sobre a ToT russa no programa do missil Brahmos:

To highlight the success of the India-Russia defence relationship, Kadakin also pointed to the Brahmos programme, in which the two countries jointly built a supersonic cruise missile, Kadakin claimed that Russia had “given India the best of technologies for Brahmos… as a result of which you have the best supersonic missile in the world.”

It was another typically Kadakin example of chicanery. Russia has not “given India” any technologies for the Brahmos! The two sides have developed their respective portions of the missile separately, and both sides’ components and sub-systems are assembled into Brahmos missile systems without any technology being transferred.

8th Dec 11
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2011/12/ ... ssian.html

Estilo a joint venture que produz a turbina CFM56 entre a GE e a Snecma ou entre a Snecma e a DRDO no desenvolvimento de nova versão da Kaveri.

[Carlos Mathias]

É por isso que os programas de cooperação Índia X Rússia foram eleitos pelo governo indiano como os melhores.

E para deixar isso mais claro, postarei a matéria que o USAntiago nos brindou, mas sem recortes, para termos uma melhor idéia do plano geral das realações, que dessa forma será mais acurada.

Russian envoy: media unfair to Russian arms

Russian ambassador to India, Alexander Kadakin, showed his frustration over media reporting on Russian arms sales

by Ajai Shukla
8th Dec 11
(A shorter version of this post was published in Business Standard today)


Moscow’s frustration over its declining share of India’s defence market boiled over today, with the Russian ambassador, Alexander Kadakin, alleging unfair treatment by the Indian media at a press conference in New Delhi.

Reacting to a Business Standard/Broadsword report (Technology transfer, supply of assemblies hit Russian stonewall, dated 28th Nov 11), which highlighted contractual lapses by Russia in the indigenous production of the T-90S tank, Kadakin lashed out at this correspondent and simultaneously blamed the Heavy Vehicle Factory (HVF), Avadi, which builds the T-90S tank.

“One journalist… maybe he was having a very difficult hangover in the morning… wrote something that Russia is not supplying drawings for T-90. Russia is not giving the steels or the other necessary (components). Everything he wrote from beginning to end was completely false. Completely false. Russia has completely carried out all its obligations as regards T-90. The problem was with the producers here; the manufacturers here. We were not commenting on this because we were not wanting to blackmouth (sic) the Indian partners. They had problems, not Russia,” declared Kadakin

I accosted Kadakin after the press conference and asked him why the Russian Embassy had not responded to my questionnaire, which I had emailed them a week before actually carrying the story. I asked him whether he had any specific responses now, or was merely trying to dodge the issue by blaming a correspondent’s hangover.

Kadakin made some feeble joke, suggested that I have a vodka (at the hospitality bar that the Russian Embassy had set up for the press conference), and scuttled off.

In the press conference, Kadakin also castigated the Indian media for “rejoicing” when Russia’s Mi-28 attack helicopter lost out to the US-built Apache AH-64D in the trials held earlier this year by the Indian Air Force (IAF), Kadakin said, “Yes, we lost the contract of attack helicopters to Apache. But no correspondent wrote that Russia participated in that tender just to be in that tender. But what a huge noise was raised here. Russia is losing its position… as if one were rejoicing over it.”

While India remains a major buyer of Russian military equipment, Russian sales have been eroded by new competition, primarily from Israel and the US. America’s presence has been boosted by recent sales of the C-130J Super Hercules; and the C-17 Globemaster III transport aircraft; and the P8I Poseidon multi-role maritime aircraft (MMR).

Lashing out at Washington’s recent indication that it would sell India its cutting edge F-35 Lightening II joint strike fighter, Kadakin declared, “Some other countries, sometimes it seems as if they are throwing carrots into India’s garden. They throw a carrot about some 35 plane (i.e. the F-35). Are you sure they will give the technologies,” said Kadakin, taking a swipe at the strict controls that the US exercises over defence technologies.

Moscow’s breezy attitude towards technology controls was evident in the Kadakin’s explanation of how Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter was flying with a Russian RD-93 engine, despite Moscow’s assertions that it would not sell arms to Pakistan: “Sorry, we are not in the picture. If China is selling (the engine to Pakistan)… they should not do it. If they violate (our contract), we are nowhere in the picture.

Kadakin lamented that the media only highlighted delays to Russian platforms, like the Gorshkov aircraft carrier; and three frigates that Russia is building. In a barely disguised swipe at the French Scorpene submarine programme, he said, “Of course there were delays about the (Russian) frigates… But why are you not writing about a three-year delay in some other marine thing… and you know what I mean.”

Pointing obliquely to the Akula class nuclear submarine that Moscow is leasing to India, Kadakin emphasising Russia’s unique role in provided strategic technologies.

“Why don’t you write about other things we are giving you… some underwater things? What other country has given you that?” demanded Kadakin.

Russian media reports have suggested that the nuclear submarine is undergoing final trials before being handed over to the Indian Navy, which will name it INS Chakra. Kadakin confirmed that the submarine was “in the pipeline” and “it will come soon”.

To highlight the success of the India-Russia defence relationship, Kadakin also pointed to the Brahmos programme, in which the two countries jointly built a supersonic cruise missile, Kadakin claimed that Russia had “given India the best of technologies for Brahmos… as a result of which you have the best supersonic missile in the world.”

It was another typically Kadakin example of chicanery. Russia has not “given India” any technologies for the Brahmos! The two sides have developed their respective portions of the missile separately, and both sides’ components and sub-systems are assembled into Brahmos missile systems without any technology being transferred.

Kadakin demonstrated during the press conference that he is neither a military technologist, nor a diplomat. Rather, he is a politician and a showman who can beguile Indian audiences, which tend to have little or no knowledge of military-technical issues.

Kadakin also brought up the GLONAS issue: “Who has have offered you the high-precision signal for GLONAS. Yes, they [i.e. the Americans] can offer you GPS… and you will get in the same trouble as they got in Iraq. India is, was and will be the first and only country which has been offered GLONAS. And the decision was taken by the government to give it only to India as a special exception, taking into account our especially friendly relations.”

Ou seja, como aqui, os lobis e mídia batem, mas na base da falsidade, de inverdades e mesmo mentiras.

A bem da verdade, a vasta maioria dos prblemas são causado pelas próprias fábricas indianas, que desorganizadas, atrasam a fabricação de componentes , e quando a mesma Índia vai a Rússia comprar peças, descobrem que a indústria de armas não tem estoques para os enrolados, as coisas são feitas mediante encomendas e planejadas minuciosamente.

Foi o caso dos pneus dos SU-30MKI, que o fabricante indiano recebeu toda a tecnologia mas se enrolou na fabricação.
No entanto, na mídia, assim como aqui, lá foi divulgado que simplesmente os russo não entregaram pneus.

Pneu de caça é comprado na DPaschoal, ou na borracharia da esquina?????

Como eu sempre digo, eu não acredito em nações sadomasoquistas, que gostam de sofrer, de outra forma os indianos já teriram caído no colo dos ocidentais, tão superiores aos russos em tudo.

Prefiro ficar com os fatos, o que é verdade, palpável e concreta, a compra de mais 40 SU-30MKI em KITs( porque a HAL não tem condições de suprir a demanda na velocidade que o Gov indiano quer), e nos outros tantos programas estratégicos entre os dois países.

O resto é comedor de hamburger de quinta, arrotando steak bone.

Boa tarde!

[Brasileiro]

O que há com os russos?

Nos últimos 20 anos, enquanto nações estrangeiras adquiriram quase 1000 caças da família Su-27, a Rússia 'conseguiu' comprar apenas 48 Su-35, cerca de 20 Su-34 e algumas dúzias de Flankers modernizados.... Ah tá, isso já me esquecendo que houve sim um bom momento econômico para eles na última década. Menos para a VVS.

Já era o momento, para eles, de estarem recebendo AO MENOS uns 150 caças entre Su-35, Su-34 e MiG-35, para aguentarem o tranco até a chegada do PAK-FA, talvez até voarem juntos.
Simplesmente abandonaram a modernização do Su-27 e MiG-29. Não dá pra entender.

Daqui a pouco até o Paquistão ou Turquia terão uma força aérea mais "interessante" do que a Rússia.
Isso, claro, porque o 'meu' padrão do que deveria ser a VVS seria algo comparável à Armée de l'Air, ou à RAF. Digo, NO MÍNIMO.



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[Penguin]

Joguei a isca e fisguei o peixe. Demorou, eh verdade...rs.

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[Carlos Mathias]

Brasileiro, eles tem uma penca de MIG-29SMT, alguns SU-27SKM, SU-34 e estarão recebendo em breve 70 SU-35BM.
Some aí nessa conta os MIG-31, que receberam atualizações.
TU-160 modernizados.
Tu-22M3 idem.
Tu-......

Os caras já tem um estoque gigante de caças guardado, então é melhor ir arrumando os que estão na gaveta e gastar a grana das vendas em desenvolvimento tecnológico de verdadeiros caças novos.

Esqueci dos MIG-29S, capazes de lançar os R-77 e com radar multi-alvos.

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Isca, né?
Sei...

[P44]

Brasileiro,

aqui você pode dar uma olhada no inventário russo
http://www.warfare.ru/?vvs=true&title=m ... l-aviation

(suponho que esteja +- actualizado)

[Carlos Mathias]

Joguei a isca e fisguei o peixe. Demorou, eh verdade...rs.

sim, jogou.

Se eu não mordo, fica a martelação da lenda de que os russos-comuno-vermelhos são uns FDP e devemos olhar por lado em caso de alguma oferta, equipamento ou mesmo um passeio em Moscou.

Se eu mordo e desmancho tudo, basta dizer que "foi só uma isquinha" de nada, inocente como uma pescaria vespertina num laguinho interiorano.

Morderei todas, pode jogar.

[P44]

É o chamado "preso por ter cão e preso por não ter cão"