MMRCA - FX Indiano

[AlbertoRJ]

Rumores da Aeroindia:

European fighters lead MMRCA race

t was a no-holds-barred duel at Aero India 2011 for a $10-billion (Rs 45,500 crore) prize. Turn by turn, four of the world’s most advanced fighter aircraft roared into the sky, keenly aware of the watching eyes of Indian ministry of defence (MoD) officials who would decide which of them was best suited for the Indian Air Force’s order of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA).

Their performances mirrored each fighter’s fortunes in the MMRCA race. In multiple interviews with MoD officials, IAF pilots and vendor representatives, Business Standard has learned exactly where the MMRCA race currently stands. None of the contenders have been officially eliminated in the IAF’s flight evaluation report, but the heavy liabilities that some are carrying have already reduced this contest to an all-European race.

The clearest performance was that of the Russian MiG-35, which has not shown up at all at Aero India 2011. After multiple problems during the flight evaluation trials, it is regarded by the IAF as little more than an upgraded MiG-29. The Russian fighter is effectively out of the race.
Only marginally less dismal was the Lockheed Martin F-16IN Super Viper, which travelled to Bangalore but did not participate in the inaugural aerobatics shoot-out.

Defence minister A K Antony insisted today that political considerations would play no part in the MMRCA selection, but his officials were less diplomatic. “The F-16 is in the race only in name; the US will not be allowed to supply the same aircraft to both India and Pakistan,” said a senior MoD official. “Besides, the F-16 has come to the end of its development cycle. There is no scope for improving it further.”

Lockheed Martin seems to know its India campaign is blighted. Over the past two months, company officials and even the Pentagon, the US defence headquarters, have shifted the focus to the F-35, the fifth generation stealth fighter that Lockheed Martin is developing. But while the Pentagon’s acquisition chief, Ashton Carter, has signalled American willingness to include India in the F-35 programme, the Indian MoD is not persuaded.

On getting a fifth generation fighter from the US, Antony replied, “Already we are engaged with Russia to produce a fifth generation fighter…. No other country has offered us these technologies in the past. We are way ahead now [in the partnership with Russia]. There is no question of going back.”

The other American contender, the F/A-18 Super Hornet, regaled spectators with a superb display of combat manoeuvring, Showcasing its history as a combat fighter, the F/A-18 was the only contender that flew with missiles fitted under its wings, which is avoided in aerobatics because of the resulting drag. But though the Super Hornet was the tightest turner, its aerobatics were conducted at slow speeds. That sluggishness is also true of its campaign in India.

“We scored the F/A-18 poorly during flight evaluation,” says an IAF officer who was closely involved.

That leaves the three European contenders: the Eurofighter (from a four-country consortium), the Dasault Rafale (from france) and the Saab Gripen (Sweden). Each of them put up a superb display of high-speed aerobatics, performing loops, barrel rolls, and spells of inverted flying that clearly pushed the boundaries of the aircrafts’ flight envelopes.

The Gripen showed enormous agility in its vertical handling, something that would allow it to climb above the enemy fighter in a dogfight, to an advantageous killing position. At the end of his display, the Gripen’s pilot displayed how little runway the fighter needs to land, stopping dead in barely 900 ft.

But IAF officers point out two key drawbacks to the Gripen’s campaign: “The Gripen’s AESA radar is the least developed of all the MMRCA contenders; and, being a single-engine fighter, it carries significantly less weaponry than the big twin-engine contenders.”

The twin-engine advantage was immediately evident when the Rafale and the Eurofighter took to the skies, lashing the spectators with a blast of sound. There was little to choose between both those aircraft, their High-G (sharp turn); High-Alpha (slow flying) aerobatics leaving the spectators clapping.

“The MMRCA contest is now between the Eurofighter and the Rafale,” says an IAF officer associated with the flight evaluation. “It will boil down to price. But if the MoD accepts a smaller fighter, with a radar that has some way to go, the economically-priced Gripen could be the dark horse that wins.

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Meu comentário: Lembro que a IAF é uma força historicamente não influenciada pelas benesses do FMS e outros "quitutes" que fazem sucesso por aqui,.

[soultrain]

Esses indianos não sabem do que falam putz!!!

Porque eles não falaram antes com foristas brasileiros iluminados???

Como é possível acharem que o SH super fuderoso era o pior aerodinamicamente???? Mesmo com a gambiarra na barriga...

Enfim, esses indus são burros mesmo e não percebem nada de aeronaves militares...

[cabeça de martelo]

[Francoorp]

HEHE... o que dizer??? Soutrain, vai falar isso por ai, vai la na trilogia pra ver o que te dizem... se não te expulsam ja de cara!!!

E sobre expulsòes de la eu entendo... se quiser até demonstro!

[PRick]

Video comparativo das exibições do Rafale e Typhoon na Aero Índia 2011. Resultado? Rafale is winner.



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[crubens]

HEHE... o que dizer??? Soutrain, vai falar isso por ai, vai la na trilogia pra ver o que te dizem... se não te expulsam ja de cara!!!

E sobre expulsòes de la eu entendo... se quiser até demonstro!

Pois é, não dá pra entender aquele ódio viceral que tem pelo rafale e tudo que é frances naquela triologia.

[Jonas Rafael]

Acho que vai dar Typhoon, porque o preço conta e 4 países juntos vão conseguir oferecer um desconto considerável. Mas por tudo que li do MMRCA, o Rafale é exatamente o que eles estão procurando.

[crubens]

Sei não, a negociação com um país já é dificil, imagina com quatro !!

[Penguin]

Cooperação tecnológica EUA-Índia...

SATURDAY, 12 FEBRUARY 2011
DRDO, US working on 30 high-tech projects

Some of the action from Day 3 of Aero India 2011 at Bangalore

by Ajai Shukla
Business Standard
Bangalore, 12th Feb 11

The chief of India’s Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) today made the startling revelation that his organisation is in partnership with US entities in developing at least 30 high-technology defence projects.

Addressing a press conference at the Aero India 2011 air show in Bangalore today, DRDO Chief V K Saraswat broadly described the areas of the joint DRDO-US research. He said they were jointly developing “about 30 programmes related to materials, services, and manufacturing technologies. There are some related to advanced communications systems. There are many (projects) that are related to low-intensity conflict.”

This indicates Washington’s rapid relaxation of the stringent technology denial controls that the US Congress had placed on DRDO after India tested five nuclear weapons in May 1998. Until January 25, several DRDO laboratories had featured on Washington’s “Entity List”, a list of agencies and institutions that are banned from receiving dual-use items from the US. A dual use item is one that has military, as well as civil, uses.

Controversially, Saraswat also revealed DRDO was permitting American inspectors to examine equipment that was being imported from the US for use in DRDO projects. “We already have some agreements with them… what is called post-delivery inspection. Suppose they give some equipment, they can verify… they are at liberty to come and check whether we have used this equipment in the place that I have indicated in my order. It is something like the End User Monitoring Agreement.”

DRDO has worked for years with Russian and Israeli defence companies in developing weaponry, but featuring on the “Entity List” had ruled out cooperation with the US. The US departments of state and commerce, which must grant licences for defence-related export and cooperation, automatically block licenses to any agency on the “Entity List”. Key DRDO platforms, including the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft; the Akash missile; and the Arjun tank, suffered years of delay after the technology denial regime imposed by the US in 1998.

Saraswat said DRDO had long hankered for partnership with US companies. “A lot of technology areas were identified for working with the US, but because we were on the Entity List… clearances were not coming. I presume that there will be acceleration in our research & development programmes with the US.”

Despite the DRDO-US projects under way, Saraswat pointed out that DRDO’s removal from the “Entity List” did not mean that automatic clearance was granted for whatever DRDO needed. US law mandates that all dual-use items, which essentially includes everything related to defence, needs export licences from the US departments of commerce, state and defence.

“That licensing process is the law (in the US) and it will not change. So we have to see in the years to come… what kind of trust is going to develop between [the DRDO] and the US on the issue of licences for dual use items for the DRDO and other defence agencies. That process will become lenient only if there is a level of trust,” Saraswat said.

Meanwhile, Washington has stressed on high-tech cooperation that was one of the highlights of President Barack Obama’s visit to India last November. US Commerce Secretary, Gary Locke, with his delegation of 24 US companies — among them a dozen aerospace and defence companies, including Lockheed Martin, Oshkosh Corporation, Boeing and Aero Controls — has dangled high technology as a carrot to induce New Delhi to provide trade incentives to US companies. Saraswat’s revelations could ease scepticism among Indian defence policymakers about whether Washington intends to part with high technology to India, or to merely cite the sale of high-tech defence platforms like the C-130J as evidence of its commitment.

Speaking to Business Standard, US Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs Andrew Shapiro insisted that Washington viewed India as a strategic partner. “The removal of nine Indian entities from the Entities List was a significant accomplishment,” declared Shapiro. “We’ve just had a successful delivery of the C-130J… and we hope to win the MMRCA competition

POSTED BY BROADSWORD AT 06:42 6 COMMENTS
LABELS: DEFENCE PLANNING, DEFENCE PRODUCTION, DRDO, PRIVATE SECTOR, STRATEGY, US MILITARY

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[Francoorp]

Força Aérea da Índia espera assinar em março acordo para modernizar caças Mirage 2000




A Força Aérea da Índia informou na quinta-feira passada que espera assinar no próximo mês de março um aguardado acordo de US$ 2,1 bilhões com a França, para modernizar cerca de 50 caças Mirage 2000 de sua frota. O acordo vem aguardando a liberação do governo indiano após diferenças encontradas por ambas as partes sobre questões legais e valores.


“Isso foi negociado e muitos elementos discutidos em detalhes. As negociações foram concluídas e o relatório enviado para o Ministério de Defesa. Nós esperamos concluir o acordo até o final do ano fiscal,” disse o chefe da força aérea da Índia, General P V Naik.

O acordo estava previsto para ser assinado anteriormente durante a visita do Presidente da França Nicolas Sarkozy no ano passado, mas foi adiado para resolução das questões pendentes.

Dando detalhes das modernizações, o chefe da Força Aérea da Índia disse que as aeronaves contarão com novos aviônicos mais modernos, novos equipamentos de guerra eletrônica e terão a vida estendida em cerca de 20 anos.

Sobre a aquisição de novas aeronaves de reabastecimento aéreo, Naik disse que o cancelamento do processo de aquisição no ano passado atrasou a introdução de mais aeronaves do tipo na força.

Após cinco anos de processos, a última competição foi cancelada após o Ministro das Finanças ter questionado a Força Aérea da Índia sobre a escolha do modelo A330 MRTT citando um alto valor de aquisição.

Pelo processo de aquisição, se duas aeronaves atenderem as especificações solicitadas na competição, a que tiver o menor valor deve ser selecionada. Após o cancelamento da competição, uma nova Solicitação para Propostas foi enviada pela Índia para os fornecedores.

Sobre o desenvolvimento de uma aeronave de treinamento a jato intermediário, Naik disse que espera que receba a Liberação Operacional Inicial até julho desse ano.

Sobre os planos de remotorizar os caças de ataque Jaguar, o chefe da Força Aérea da Índia disse que enviou a solicitações para os fabricantes Honeywell e Rolls Royce. “Nós estamos querendo remotorizar 60 aeronaves Jaguar e vamos adquirir cerca de 200 motores,” adicionou.

Fonte: Press Trust of India – Tradução: Cavok

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Por isso que sou a favor de comprar aqueles Mirage 2000-9 dos EAU, ou até mesmo os Mirage 2000-5 que os franceses tem nos depositos… SE O TAMPAX FOR INEVITAVEL OBVIAMENTE.

Isso reduziria os custos de manutenção dos Tampax, pois a FAB ja opera os Mirage 2000, coisa que ficaria complicada se comprássemos unidades diferentes dos Mirage!

Realmente os indianos ficaram satisfeitos com o Mirage 2000, e depois desta modernização deve-se substituir todos estes caças leves com os Tejas, mas enquanto o Tejas não fica pronto completamente e vem homologado definitivamente,estas modernizações vão continuar para os caças leves pelo menos, jaguar incluso… quanto aos MIG-21, estes trazem algumas duvidas, o que farão com eles, elevarão ao padrão do MIG-21 da IAI (empresa de Israel) ou vão aposentar logo e abrir espaço para as primeira unidade dos Tejas mesmo sem homologação finalizada???

Estes MIG-21 da IAF estão velhos e não param de cair… vamos ver o que fazem.

Valeu!!

[Penguin]

A França possui apenas 37 Mirage 2000-5. Estes serão usados até o osso.
Possui muitos Mirage 2000C que serão aposentados nos próximos anos.

Esse lenga-lenga da modernização dos Mirage 2000 se arrasta a anos. Parace que agora finalmente chegaram a um acordo: USD 42 milhões cada unidade modernizada.

Os EAU colocaram seus Mirage a venda?! Me parece que eles queriam devolver os Mirage como parte do pagamento de Rafales. SE os Rafale fossem adquiridos. SE.

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[Francoorp]

A França possui apenas 37 Mirage 2000-5. Estes serão usados até o osso.
Possui muitos Mirage 2000C que serão aposentados nos próximos anos.

Esse lenga-lenga da modernização dos Mirage 2000 se arrasta a anos. Parace que agora finalmente chegaram a um acordo: USD 42 milhões cada unidade modernizada.

Os EAU colocaram seus Mirage a venda?! Me parece que eles queriam devolver os Mirage como parte do pagamento de Rafales. SE os Rafale fossem adquiridos. SE.

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Também achei caro... 42 milh é muito, mas eles querem... devem saber o que estão fazendo, dando mais valor à operatividade do que ao dinheiro em si.

Sei não... seria possível sim pegar os 2000-5, ou elevar os 2000C para o padrão 5, ou até mesmo 9, mas temos que considerar o preço, se vale a pena pra um tampão!!

Se os franceses acharem um comprados para os -9 dos EAU, creio que a escolha pelo Rafale ficaria determinada pelos cheiques... achismo meu!!

Mas o que deprime é que estamos falando de Tampax de novo...

[soultrain]

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[Penguin]

A India tb parece apreciar o Derby...

Ares
A Defense Technology Blog

Derby Missiles Selected to Arm India's Tejas Fighters
Posted by Noam Eshel at 2/14/2011 11:48 AM CST

Israel’s Derby missile is the weapon of choice for India’s Tejas fighter. A contract will be signed by March with Rafael Advanced Defence Systems Ltd to supply the air-to-air weapon for the indigenous Indian jets and P.S. Subramanya, director of India’s Aeronautical Development Agency, which is developing the light combat aircraft.

According to Subramanya, a key criterion for the full clearance is the integration of a Beyond-Visual-Range (BVR) missile. The Rafael Python V missile, closely related to the Derby, was also an option for the Tejas, Subramanya stated. Delivery of the missiles is expected in the second half of 2012, toward the final phase of testing, expected to conclude by December 2012.

Sofar the Indian Air Force (IAF) has ordered 40 Tejas planes and according to the government’s plans 160 additional jets are to be produced – 100 of the Mk-II version for the Air Force and 60 for the Indian Navy. India’s Sea Harrier jets already carry the Israeli Derby missiles; fourteen of them were recently upgraded, wired to operate the new missile. Both Derby and Python V are also selected to equip the Indian Air Force Short Range Surface/Air System (SRSAM) as part of Rafael’s Spyder air defense system.

[NovaTO]

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Traduzindo : Tirando a furtividade o Typhoon bate de frente com o F-22 superando-o em alguns aspectos. Único problema que eu vejo é que a furtividade é um fator crítico de sobrevivência na arena BVR, e faz toda a diferença. Considero um erro essa estratégia de marketing dos caças de 4.5ª tentar se manter válidos frente aos novos 5G.

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