E agora, quem é o maior perigo para a Venezuela? Talvez a incapacidade de projeção de poder da China seja a maior defesa de Chavez.Com US$ 20 bi, China enche cofres de Chávez
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rodrigo
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"O correr da vida embrulha tudo,
a vida é assim: esquenta e esfria,
aperta e daí afrouxa,
sossega e depois desinquieta.
O que ela quer da gente é coragem."
João Guimarães Rosa
a vida é assim: esquenta e esfria,
aperta e daí afrouxa,
sossega e depois desinquieta.
O que ela quer da gente é coragem."
João Guimarães Rosa
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Comemorações do Bicentenário da Independência
Chávez: “Preparamo-nos para defender a Venezuela até ao último milímetro”
20.04.2010 - 11:34 Por PÚBLICO
O Presidente venezuelano recusou estar a armar o seu país para uma guerra, mas admitiu estar a preparar-se “para defender até ao último milímetro esta pátria sagrada”.
“Pusemos em marcha uma nova doutrina militar: a guerra de todo um povo. O imperialismo e o império não podem ser subestimados, mas também não devem ser temidos”, afirmou Hugo Chávez nas comemorações do Bicentenário da Venezuela.
A cerimónia que assinalou a instalação da primeira junta autónoma de governo contou com desfiles de grupos folclóricos, tractores iranianos, tanques antimísseis e mísseis russos e aviões de combate chineses.
“Aqui estamos os filhos e as filhas de [Simon] Bolívar 200 anos depois”, disse Chávez em Caracas antes de dar as boas-vindas a todos os líderes da ALBA, a aliança bolivariana que o próprio impulsionou. Com Chávez na tribuna estiveram o Presidente cubano, Raúl Castro; da Bolívia, Evo Morales; da Nicarágua, Daniel Ortega; da República Dominicana, Leonel Férnandez; do Equador, Rafael Correa; e da Argentina, Cristina Fernandéz de Kirchner.
A ALBA, fundada em 2004 em conjunto pela Venezuela e por Cuba, nasceu como resposta à Área Livre de Comércio para as Américas (ALCA), proposta pelos Estados Unidos.
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sinceramente já não tenho paciência para aturar as bravatas deste gajo...
Triste sina ter nascido português 
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Não deixa de surpreender a decadência argentina. Um país com aspirações de liderança regional ir prestar continência a Hugo Chavez.“Aqui estamos os filhos e as filhas de [Simon] Bolívar 200 anos depois”, disse Chávez em Caracas antes de dar as boas-vindas a todos os líderes da ALBA, a aliança bolivariana que o próprio impulsionou. Com Chávez na tribuna estiveram o Presidente cubano, Raúl Castro; da Bolívia, Evo Morales; da Nicarágua, Daniel Ortega; da República Dominicana, Leonel Férnandez; do Equador, Rafael Correa; e da Argentina, Cristina Fernandéz de Kirchner.
"O correr da vida embrulha tudo,
a vida é assim: esquenta e esfria,
aperta e daí afrouxa,
sossega e depois desinquieta.
O que ela quer da gente é coragem."
João Guimarães Rosa
a vida é assim: esquenta e esfria,
aperta e daí afrouxa,
sossega e depois desinquieta.
O que ela quer da gente é coragem."
João Guimarães Rosa
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marcelo l.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 103225.ece
Chinese and Russian-made fighter jets blasted through the skies, shaking the dilapidated buildings of Caracas as they passed. Tanks and troops paraded through the streets and special forces troops shouted in unison: “I’m an anti-imperialist socialist!” The capital was draped in red as thousands of military personnel, dancers and supporters hailed Hugo Chávez, the Venezuelan President.
Allies from across the region flew in to attend the celebrations — the Cuban leader Raúl Castro, Evo Morales of Bolivia and Nicaragua’s Daniel Ortega were among those flanking Mr Chávez who, dressed in his trademark red beret and military uniform, paid tribute to Simón Bolívar, the Latin American freedom fighter, whose spirit he frequently invokes in support of his Bolivarian Revolution.
This week marked the 200th anniversary of Venezuela’s rebellion against the Spanish empire. Yet the display of military might was less about celebrating the past than raising the possibility of a future battle — this time against the US.
“Civilians and soldiers united, the people and its armed forces guaranteeing the independence of Venezuela!” Mr Chávez declared. “Never again will Venezuela be a Yankee colony nor a colony of anyone. The moment has arrived to reach our true sovereignty and independence.”
Mr Chávez often refers to the threat of the US which, he claims, wants to topple him and take control of his country’s oil reserves.
To defend Venezuela he has built alliances with Cuba, Iran, Russia and China — he recently signed a $5 billion (£3 billion) arms deal with Moscow. Such alliances have rattled Washington, which imposed an arms embargo against the Chávez Government in 2006 and which has accused him of starting a regional arms race.
On Monday Mr Chávez ridiculed US concerns, saying that it was Venezuela that was under threat. The former paratrooper — who survived a 2002 coup attempt that he says was backed by the US — has been enraged by a deal that will lead to an increased American military presence in Colombia, claiming that Washington intends to use this as a base for operations against him and other regional enemies.
The Venezuelan President, speaking at the summit of the Bolivarian Alternative for the Nations of Our America, a left-leaning bloc aimed at countering US influence, said that America was installing its “weapons of war” and accused Colombia — with which he has a feud — of threatening Venezuela and others “because they feel supported by the Yankees”.
Fidel Castro, Mr Chávez’s ideological mentor, sent him a tribute, saying: “He is, today, the person who most worries the imperialists, for his capacity to influence the masses and for the immense natural resources of the nation.”
Opponents say that Mr Chávez is whipping up threats to distract from domestic problems and flagging support amid inflation, nationwide electricity and water shortages and insecurity. He is determined to stave off losses in elections in September, vowing last week never to “allow the bourgeoisie to occupy seats in the National Assembly”.
Yet he still commands an almost religious devotion for the social programmes that have improved the lives of many Venezuelan poor during his 11 years in power. This year he vowed to rule for 11 more years after his victory in a referendum last year that removed limits on the number of terms that a president can serve.
Recently he has drawn on his loyal following to create a civilian militia and last week he swore in 35,000 paramilitaries whom he instructed to “take all power” if he was overthrown. “We have to be prepared to defend the Fatherland against external and internal aggression,” said Johan Sandoval, 28.
Mr Sandoval, a Chávez supporter at Monday’s parade, added: “Our military expenditure is insignificant compared to other countries and here there are US plans of aggression.”
Notably absent from the festivities were opposition groups, who accused Mr Chávez of exploiting the occasion as a display of support before the elections. They claimed that his Government had undermined democracy and turned Venezuela into a Cuban satellite state.
Carlos Andrés Peréz, a former president against whom Mr Chávez led an unsuccessful coup in 1992, questioned whether it was appropriate to celebrate independence when a “militarised and authoritarian regime [that had] hijacked the country to exercise total control over all branches of government” was in power.
“After 200 years we are again under an odious foreign domination,” said Julio Borges, the leader of the Primero Justicia party, who accused Mr Chávez of submitting to the Castro brothers. “The freedom fighters 200 years ago did not fight for dictatorship.”
Fighting talk
“The imperialist, genocidal, fascist attitude of the US President has no limits. I think Hitler would be like a suckling baby next to George W. Bush”
Hugo Chávez on George W. Bush, February 5, 2006
“If the Yankee empire tries to use Colombia to attack Venezuela the war of 100 years would begin”
On US-Colombia base deal, November, 2009
“We thought he was a cannibal. I have doubts . . . maybe he was a great nationalist”
On Idi Amin, November, 2009
“They accuse him of being a terrorist but Carlos really was a revolutionary fighter”
On Carlos the Jackal, November, 2009
“Look, England, how long are you going to be in Las Malvinas? Queen of England, I’m talking to you . . . The time for empires are over, haven’t you noticed? Return the Malvinas to the Argentine people . . . We are no longer in 1982”
On the Falklands, February 22, 2010
“Sweep away the bourgeoisie from all political and economic spaces, deepen the revolution”
Chinese and Russian-made fighter jets blasted through the skies, shaking the dilapidated buildings of Caracas as they passed. Tanks and troops paraded through the streets and special forces troops shouted in unison: “I’m an anti-imperialist socialist!” The capital was draped in red as thousands of military personnel, dancers and supporters hailed Hugo Chávez, the Venezuelan President.
Allies from across the region flew in to attend the celebrations — the Cuban leader Raúl Castro, Evo Morales of Bolivia and Nicaragua’s Daniel Ortega were among those flanking Mr Chávez who, dressed in his trademark red beret and military uniform, paid tribute to Simón Bolívar, the Latin American freedom fighter, whose spirit he frequently invokes in support of his Bolivarian Revolution.
This week marked the 200th anniversary of Venezuela’s rebellion against the Spanish empire. Yet the display of military might was less about celebrating the past than raising the possibility of a future battle — this time against the US.
“Civilians and soldiers united, the people and its armed forces guaranteeing the independence of Venezuela!” Mr Chávez declared. “Never again will Venezuela be a Yankee colony nor a colony of anyone. The moment has arrived to reach our true sovereignty and independence.”
Mr Chávez often refers to the threat of the US which, he claims, wants to topple him and take control of his country’s oil reserves.
To defend Venezuela he has built alliances with Cuba, Iran, Russia and China — he recently signed a $5 billion (£3 billion) arms deal with Moscow. Such alliances have rattled Washington, which imposed an arms embargo against the Chávez Government in 2006 and which has accused him of starting a regional arms race.
On Monday Mr Chávez ridiculed US concerns, saying that it was Venezuela that was under threat. The former paratrooper — who survived a 2002 coup attempt that he says was backed by the US — has been enraged by a deal that will lead to an increased American military presence in Colombia, claiming that Washington intends to use this as a base for operations against him and other regional enemies.
The Venezuelan President, speaking at the summit of the Bolivarian Alternative for the Nations of Our America, a left-leaning bloc aimed at countering US influence, said that America was installing its “weapons of war” and accused Colombia — with which he has a feud — of threatening Venezuela and others “because they feel supported by the Yankees”.
Fidel Castro, Mr Chávez’s ideological mentor, sent him a tribute, saying: “He is, today, the person who most worries the imperialists, for his capacity to influence the masses and for the immense natural resources of the nation.”
Opponents say that Mr Chávez is whipping up threats to distract from domestic problems and flagging support amid inflation, nationwide electricity and water shortages and insecurity. He is determined to stave off losses in elections in September, vowing last week never to “allow the bourgeoisie to occupy seats in the National Assembly”.
Yet he still commands an almost religious devotion for the social programmes that have improved the lives of many Venezuelan poor during his 11 years in power. This year he vowed to rule for 11 more years after his victory in a referendum last year that removed limits on the number of terms that a president can serve.
Recently he has drawn on his loyal following to create a civilian militia and last week he swore in 35,000 paramilitaries whom he instructed to “take all power” if he was overthrown. “We have to be prepared to defend the Fatherland against external and internal aggression,” said Johan Sandoval, 28.
Mr Sandoval, a Chávez supporter at Monday’s parade, added: “Our military expenditure is insignificant compared to other countries and here there are US plans of aggression.”
Notably absent from the festivities were opposition groups, who accused Mr Chávez of exploiting the occasion as a display of support before the elections. They claimed that his Government had undermined democracy and turned Venezuela into a Cuban satellite state.
Carlos Andrés Peréz, a former president against whom Mr Chávez led an unsuccessful coup in 1992, questioned whether it was appropriate to celebrate independence when a “militarised and authoritarian regime [that had] hijacked the country to exercise total control over all branches of government” was in power.
“After 200 years we are again under an odious foreign domination,” said Julio Borges, the leader of the Primero Justicia party, who accused Mr Chávez of submitting to the Castro brothers. “The freedom fighters 200 years ago did not fight for dictatorship.”
Fighting talk
“The imperialist, genocidal, fascist attitude of the US President has no limits. I think Hitler would be like a suckling baby next to George W. Bush”
Hugo Chávez on George W. Bush, February 5, 2006
“If the Yankee empire tries to use Colombia to attack Venezuela the war of 100 years would begin”
On US-Colombia base deal, November, 2009
“We thought he was a cannibal. I have doubts . . . maybe he was a great nationalist”
On Idi Amin, November, 2009
“They accuse him of being a terrorist but Carlos really was a revolutionary fighter”
On Carlos the Jackal, November, 2009
“Look, England, how long are you going to be in Las Malvinas? Queen of England, I’m talking to you . . . The time for empires are over, haven’t you noticed? Return the Malvinas to the Argentine people . . . We are no longer in 1982”
On the Falklands, February 22, 2010
“Sweep away the bourgeoisie from all political and economic spaces, deepen the revolution”
"If the people who marched actually voted, we wouldn’t have to march in the first place".
"(Poor) countries are poor because those who have power make choices that create poverty".
ubi solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant
"(Poor) countries are poor because those who have power make choices that create poverty".
ubi solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant
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Este dinheiro não virá assim de soco, de vereda. Provavelmente será a maior parte em créditos para a Venezuela gastar comprando produtos chineses ou para projetos específicos como hidroelétrica ou estação de tratamento de água. Se alguém pensa que os chineses vão colocar o dinheiro na mão do Chavez, para ele distribuir entre a companheirada, estão enganados.rodrigo escreveu:E agora, quem é o maior perigo para a Venezuela? Talvez a incapacidade de projeção de poder da China seja a maior defesa de Chavez.Com US$ 20 bi, China enche cofres de Chávez
Todas coisas que nós ouvimos são uma opinião, não um fato. Todas coisas que nós vemos são uma perspectiva, não a verdade. by Marco Aurélio, imperador romano.
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1984... e aquilo do livro vai se espalhar por todo o planeta, basta que tenha grana envolvida com o poder, todos se unirão contra o povo, seja onde for... eu adorei aquele livro, até hoje depois de anos me volta na cabeça... talvez seja por isso que sou sempre cético com relação à propaganda de estado e de guerra principalmente.wagnerm25 escreveu:Fim da civilização.
Me faz lembrar de como George Orwell era fantasticamente genial.
Esse Chávez esta indo muito bem, e espero que continue assim por muito tempo ainda... os trabalhadores do norte do Brasil e os nossos cofres agradecem!!
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Certamente q não, os chineses não chegaram onde estão com amadorismos, só vão liberar $$$ se Chávez de fato investir em infraestrutura q garanta um fornecimento estável de petróleo a médio prazo.delmar escreveu:Este dinheiro não virá assim de soco, de vereda. Provavelmente será a maior parte em créditos para a Venezuela gastar comprando produtos chineses ou para projetos específicos como hidroelétrica ou estação de tratamento de água. Se alguém pensa que os chineses vão colocar o dinheiro na mão do Chavez, para ele distribuir entre a companheirada, estão enganados.rodrigo escreveu: E agora, quem é o maior perigo para a Venezuela? Talvez a incapacidade de projeção de poder da China seja a maior defesa de Chavez.
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Eu gostei, é uma cultura diferente da nossa, isso é evidente, tão perto e tão longe ... aquele cara correndo com a bandeira... eu achei muito original !brisa escreveu:Desfile do bicentenário das forças especiais.....
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brisa
Re: CHAVEZ: de novo.
Bom..... pelo menos preparo físico os caras tem....e doutrinamento tambem......
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marcelo l.
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Re: CHAVEZ: de novo.
Achei para quem assiste deve ser bem dinâmico.
"If the people who marched actually voted, we wouldn’t have to march in the first place".
"(Poor) countries are poor because those who have power make choices that create poverty".
ubi solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant
"(Poor) countries are poor because those who have power make choices that create poverty".
ubi solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant
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jumentodonordeste
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PATRIA SICIALISTA, ANTI-IMPERIALISTA, VIVA VENEZUELA, PARAQUEDISTA.....MAIS ALGUMA COISA???jumentodonordeste escreveu:ANTI-IMPERIALISTA, PARAQUEDISTA.
Esse era o canto inicial?
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delmar
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Re: CHAVEZ: de novo.
Tem também a apresentação de uma delegação da Bielo Russia. Muito legal.
Todas coisas que nós ouvimos são uma opinião, não um fato. Todas coisas que nós vemos são uma perspectiva, não a verdade. by Marco Aurélio, imperador romano.