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Tem pouco a ver mas:
2009-12-18 15:29:12
Saab fecha portas
A GM vai fechar a Saab. O negócio com a Spyker para a compra da marca sueca não se concretizou
A GM acaba de anunciar que a Saab será encerrada. A marca norte-americana não conseguiu completar o negócio da compra da casa sueca com a Spyker em tempo útil e decidiu encerrar esta sua unidade.
«Lamentamos não termos conseguido completar o negócio com a Spyker Cars», disse Nick Reilly. «trabalharemos em conjunto com a organização Saab para ir terminando as suas actividades de forma ordeira e responsável». Ainda segundo Reilly, o fecho da Saab não se deve a falência ou a uma liquidação forçada, com o Presidente da GM Europa a dizer que conta «satisfazer todas as dívidas, incluindo o pagamento aos fornecedores».
2009-12-18 15:29:12
Saab fecha portas
A GM vai fechar a Saab. O negócio com a Spyker para a compra da marca sueca não se concretizou
A GM acaba de anunciar que a Saab será encerrada. A marca norte-americana não conseguiu completar o negócio da compra da casa sueca com a Spyker em tempo útil e decidiu encerrar esta sua unidade.
«Lamentamos não termos conseguido completar o negócio com a Spyker Cars», disse Nick Reilly. «trabalharemos em conjunto com a organização Saab para ir terminando as suas actividades de forma ordeira e responsável». Ainda segundo Reilly, o fecho da Saab não se deve a falência ou a uma liquidação forçada, com o Presidente da GM Europa a dizer que conta «satisfazer todas as dívidas, incluindo o pagamento aos fornecedores».
"O que se percebe hoje é que os idiotas perderam a modéstia. E nós temos de ter tolerância e compreensão também com os idiotas, que são exatamente aqueles que escrevem para o esquecimento"
NJ
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Entretanto venderam toda a tecnologia aos Chineses, os Suecos estão fulos.
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"O que se percebe hoje é que os idiotas perderam a modéstia. E nós temos de ter tolerância e compreensão também com os idiotas, que são exatamente aqueles que escrevem para o esquecimento"
NJ
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Daqui a poucos anos os Chineses vão dominar o mercado automóvel, vivam e verão.
"O que se percebe hoje é que os idiotas perderam a modéstia. E nós temos de ter tolerância e compreensão também com os idiotas, que são exatamente aqueles que escrevem para o esquecimento"
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Mas eu sempre preferi o inverno.soultrain escreveu:Daqui a poucos anos os Chineses vão dominar o mercado automóvel, vivam e verão.
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Bender escreveu:A dos outros não tem problema
Sds.
Cara, é um dia de tristeza para quem gosta de automóveis. Será que a EMBRAER não tem interesse ??? Sei lá, diversificação de negócios, em prol dos interesses da Nação Brasileira ???
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Saab touts Sea Gripen for India and Brazil
Date Posted: 17-Dec-2009
Jane's Defence Weekly
Robert Hewson Jane's Air-Launched Weapons Editor
London
Saab is responding to an Indian Navy (IN) request for information (RfI) regarding future carrier-capable fighters with a new development of the Gripen NG, dubbed the Sea Gripen.
India's RfI, selectively released to bidders over recent weeks, seeks detailed information on a common aircraft design for conventional aircraft carrier operations and short take-off but arrested recovery (STOBAR) operations.
Beyond the (much delayed) entry into service of the INS Vikramaditya (the rebuilt former Russian Navy vessel Admiral Gorshkov ), India has ambitious plans to build three indigenous aircraft carriers (IACs). Near-term procurement of the MiG-29K should equip Vikramaditya and IAC 1. The IN's RfI is looking for a follow-on type to operate from IAC 2 and 3.
Jane's understands the RfI has been issued to Boeing, Dassault, Eurofighter, Lockheed Martin, Sukhoi and Saab. While India is notionally developing a naval version of the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) Tejas Light Combat Aircraft, the RfI is a recognition that this troubled programme might not be able to deliver an operational combat aircraft in the necessary timescale. India hopes to commission IAC 2 and 3 in the second half of the next decade.
Prior to receiving the RfI Saab had completed detailed design pre-studies for the Sea Gripen in response to earlier interest from Brazil and others. In fact, designs for a navalised Gripen date back to the 1980s in Sweden. For Saab the Indian requirement is particularly important because of its potential links with Brazil's F-X2 fighter competition. The Sea Gripen would be part of the long-term industrial development package for India and Brazil, should either country select the Gripen NG. The Indian RfI also makes a specific request that India's chosen aircraft should be exportable.
Saab's Sea Gripen project leader is former Swedish Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Peter Nilsson, now vice-president of operational capabilities for the Gripen. "You have the Rafale, Super Hornet, even - some day - the JSF [Joint Strike Fighter], but no affordable option for nations that want independent seapower. Gripen has a built-in carrier capability that was part of the original design consideration. It is made for precision landings on a short strip. The aerodynamics, handling and landing qualities are all there. You don't have to mess with it," he told Jane's .
The Sea Gripen is made possible by the inherent performance characteristics of the Gripen and the structural changes introduced with the Gripen NG. It has been designed to operate from 'full-spec' carriers at a maximum take-off weight of 16,500 kg and a landing weight (with weapons and fuel) of 3,500 kg. The same basic design parameters make it well suited to STOBAR operations. Any Gripen can already operate from a standard Swedish 'roadbase' strip of 800 m x 17 m, without arrestor hooks or brake chutes. Existing flight control qualities and low approach speed make the Gripen further suited to the carrier environment.
Some of the changes demanded for the Sea Gripen include a stronger, longer nose gear, with larger tyres and a new shock absorber; a new main undercarriage capable of absorbing a 6.3 m/sec sink rate; a strengthened arrestor hook, repositioned from the current design; removal of corrosion risks from the airframe using new manufacturing techniques/materials; and integration with an approach/landing system.
The result will be an aircraft with an empty weight of under 8,000 kg with a total fuel and weapon load of around 8,500 kg. Combat radius is estimated at around 1,250 km in a maritime strike profile or 1,400 km in an offensive counter-air profile. For carrier operations the aircraft will have a service life of 8,000 flight hours with an even distribution between shipborne and land-based operations.
Nilsson says the design work done so far has been a serious adjunct to the Gripen NG and has a very real footing. Asked about the inherent difficulties in taking any land-based fighter and putting it on a carrier, Nilsson replied: "If you were starting with an ordinary fighter you would have a much bigger problem."
"We have an engine [General Electric's F414] cleared for naval ops by the US Navy. We have thoroughly studied the load paths through the airframe. The Gripen is already built for high sink-rate landings in road base operations. So we need a new nose gear and undercarriage and we'll have to change some of the internal structure, but it's been analysed and it's possible. We built an arrestor hook into the Gripen NG proposal for Norway. That will have to be strengthened for carrier ops, with a new attachment point, but the work is there. Today's Gripen NG has a better wing attachment design with a more distributed load path than the current Gripen.
"The Gripen already has a salt water protection requirement. It does need more study but we already have an aircraft designed to operate in -50C and +50C, from the Arctic to hot-and-high with severe humidity. We don't build fighters for nice sunny days."
Saab expects to make initial presentations to the IN in January 2010 and submit an RfI response the following month.
Date Posted: 17-Dec-2009
Jane's Defence Weekly
Robert Hewson Jane's Air-Launched Weapons Editor
London
Saab is responding to an Indian Navy (IN) request for information (RfI) regarding future carrier-capable fighters with a new development of the Gripen NG, dubbed the Sea Gripen.
India's RfI, selectively released to bidders over recent weeks, seeks detailed information on a common aircraft design for conventional aircraft carrier operations and short take-off but arrested recovery (STOBAR) operations.
Beyond the (much delayed) entry into service of the INS Vikramaditya (the rebuilt former Russian Navy vessel Admiral Gorshkov ), India has ambitious plans to build three indigenous aircraft carriers (IACs). Near-term procurement of the MiG-29K should equip Vikramaditya and IAC 1. The IN's RfI is looking for a follow-on type to operate from IAC 2 and 3.
Jane's understands the RfI has been issued to Boeing, Dassault, Eurofighter, Lockheed Martin, Sukhoi and Saab. While India is notionally developing a naval version of the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) Tejas Light Combat Aircraft, the RfI is a recognition that this troubled programme might not be able to deliver an operational combat aircraft in the necessary timescale. India hopes to commission IAC 2 and 3 in the second half of the next decade.
Prior to receiving the RfI Saab had completed detailed design pre-studies for the Sea Gripen in response to earlier interest from Brazil and others. In fact, designs for a navalised Gripen date back to the 1980s in Sweden. For Saab the Indian requirement is particularly important because of its potential links with Brazil's F-X2 fighter competition. The Sea Gripen would be part of the long-term industrial development package for India and Brazil, should either country select the Gripen NG. The Indian RfI also makes a specific request that India's chosen aircraft should be exportable.
Saab's Sea Gripen project leader is former Swedish Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Peter Nilsson, now vice-president of operational capabilities for the Gripen. "You have the Rafale, Super Hornet, even - some day - the JSF [Joint Strike Fighter], but no affordable option for nations that want independent seapower. Gripen has a built-in carrier capability that was part of the original design consideration. It is made for precision landings on a short strip. The aerodynamics, handling and landing qualities are all there. You don't have to mess with it," he told Jane's .
The Sea Gripen is made possible by the inherent performance characteristics of the Gripen and the structural changes introduced with the Gripen NG. It has been designed to operate from 'full-spec' carriers at a maximum take-off weight of 16,500 kg and a landing weight (with weapons and fuel) of 3,500 kg. The same basic design parameters make it well suited to STOBAR operations. Any Gripen can already operate from a standard Swedish 'roadbase' strip of 800 m x 17 m, without arrestor hooks or brake chutes. Existing flight control qualities and low approach speed make the Gripen further suited to the carrier environment.
Some of the changes demanded for the Sea Gripen include a stronger, longer nose gear, with larger tyres and a new shock absorber; a new main undercarriage capable of absorbing a 6.3 m/sec sink rate; a strengthened arrestor hook, repositioned from the current design; removal of corrosion risks from the airframe using new manufacturing techniques/materials; and integration with an approach/landing system.
The result will be an aircraft with an empty weight of under 8,000 kg with a total fuel and weapon load of around 8,500 kg. Combat radius is estimated at around 1,250 km in a maritime strike profile or 1,400 km in an offensive counter-air profile. For carrier operations the aircraft will have a service life of 8,000 flight hours with an even distribution between shipborne and land-based operations.
Nilsson says the design work done so far has been a serious adjunct to the Gripen NG and has a very real footing. Asked about the inherent difficulties in taking any land-based fighter and putting it on a carrier, Nilsson replied: "If you were starting with an ordinary fighter you would have a much bigger problem."
"We have an engine [General Electric's F414] cleared for naval ops by the US Navy. We have thoroughly studied the load paths through the airframe. The Gripen is already built for high sink-rate landings in road base operations. So we need a new nose gear and undercarriage and we'll have to change some of the internal structure, but it's been analysed and it's possible. We built an arrestor hook into the Gripen NG proposal for Norway. That will have to be strengthened for carrier ops, with a new attachment point, but the work is there. Today's Gripen NG has a better wing attachment design with a more distributed load path than the current Gripen.
"The Gripen already has a salt water protection requirement. It does need more study but we already have an aircraft designed to operate in -50C and +50C, from the Arctic to hot-and-high with severe humidity. We don't build fighters for nice sunny days."
Saab expects to make initial presentations to the IN in January 2010 and submit an RfI response the following month.
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Re: JAS-39 Gripen
Cê tá de sacanagempafuncio escreveu:Bender escreveu:A dos outros não tem problema
Sds.
Cara, é um dia de tristeza para quem gosta de automóveis. Será que a EMBRAER não tem interesse ??? Sei lá, diversificação de negócios, em prol dos interesses da Nação Brasileira ???
Ainda se fosse uma empresa brasileira maior, tipo, Vale ou Gerdau Inté ia para buscar diversificar. Mas isso não para a garganta da EMBRAER e nem sua praia.
E o que a SAAB automobile está fazendo no tópico sobre noticias do Gripen?
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Ta ai o que aventaram umas duas vezes na LAAD.Saab touts Sea Gripen for India and Brazil
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Alexandre?Se tai? Depois eu que tenho maldade no coraçãopafuncio escreveu:Bender escreveu:A dos outros não tem problema
Sds.
Cara, é um dia de tristeza para quem gosta de automóveis. Será que a EMBRAER não tem interesse ??? Sei lá, diversificação de negócios, em prol dos interesses da Nação Brasileira ???
Sds.
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A SAAB tá apelando. Gripen-NG naval?
Primeiro eles tem fazer um comum, terrestre, aí, depois que um GripenNGN estiver voando, quem sabe?
Primeiro eles tem fazer um comum, terrestre, aí, depois que um GripenNGN estiver voando, quem sabe?
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Pô, Gripen Naval seria muito legal...
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Seria, disseste-o bem, seria...
Agora sério.
Eu já falei pro Bengt prá parar de arrumar Gripen isso e aquilo, tem é que dar um banho de descarrego nele com rosa VERMELHA, tirando motor e tudo o mais que for azul demais no avião.
Eu aposto os dedos da mão do BHolovo que teria quase 100% de chances aqui. E tô falando sério mesmo.
Agora sério.
Eu já falei pro Bengt prá parar de arrumar Gripen isso e aquilo, tem é que dar um banho de descarrego nele com rosa VERMELHA, tirando motor e tudo o mais que for azul demais no avião.
Eu aposto os dedos da mão do BHolovo que teria quase 100% de chances aqui. E tô falando sério mesmo.
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Carlos, não há apelação. Isso vinha sendo comentado e cogitado há um bom tempo.Carlos Mathias escreveu:A SAAB tá apelando. Gripen-NG naval?
Primeiro eles tem fazer um comum, terrestre, aí, depois que um GripenNGN estiver voando, quem sabe?
E o desenvolvimento do Gripen NG está indo conforme o cronograma.
Enquanto vocês ficam falando que "não existe sequer protótipo", "caça que só existe no papel", o programa avança.
No caso do Sea Gripen, a idéia já existia desde o Gripen A/B. Os suecos apenas aguardavam o real interesse de algum país, manifestado agora pela Índia em seu RFI.
Claro que isso poderá ter sérias implicações no F-X2. Significa que um caça com a capacidade do Gripen NG, devidamente navalizado, operaria a bordo de um NAe como o São Paulo sem qualquer restrição, ao contrário do que ocorreria com o Rafale.
Hummm, tô pensando aqui com meus botões se a suspensão da venda dos MAR-1 ao Paquistão não poderia representar uma oportunidade para que Brasil e Índia dividissem os custos de desenvolvimento do Sea Gripen, permitindo sua aquisição por ambos os países... Seria interessante, sem dúvida...
Se Brasil e Índia optassem por Gripen NG+Sea Gripen, seria show! Até o custo de aquisição poderia cair para os dois países, devido a uma maior economia de escala...
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