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[Penguin]

India to favour France for fighter jet upgrade, says Thales
A consortium including Thales and Dassault has been facing stiff competition from Israel for the upgrade contract
Pratap Chakravarty/ AFP

New Delhi: The Union government will announce this week that the administration would prefer to deal with France for a contract worth up to €1.5 billion (Rs8,685 crore) to upgrade Mirage fighters, an official from French defence firm Thales Group said on Wednesday.
The announcement of a forthcoming request, for a proposal reserved for the French, is scheduled to coincide with a state visit to New Delhi by President Nicolas Sarkozy, said Francois Dupont, Thales’ director in India.
The initiative is expected to be a major boost for Paris’ efforts to remain a primary player in the burgeoning Indian defence market, following serious problems with other contracts in recent months.
Pricey bid: A Mirage 2000 fighter aircraft of the Indian Air Force. Defence officials say a €1.5 billion French proposal to upgrade the Mirage fleet is too expensive at about $40 million a plane.
Pricey bid: A Mirage 2000 fighter aircraft of the Indian Air Force. Defence officials say a €1.5 billion French proposal to upgrade the Mirage fleet is too expensive at about $40 million a plane.
“We are expecting an announcement from India on Friday that they will soon launch a tender reserved for French companies,” Dupont said.
The Indian Air Force has about 50 Mirage 2000 war planes, which are made by Dassault Aviation with electronics from Thales, that are in need of an upgrade.
A consortium including Thales and Dassault has been facing stiff competition from Israel for the upgrade contract.
Sarkozy also is scheduled to watch the Republic Day parade in New Delhi on Saturday and hold talks with President Pratibha Patil and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. Experts in India say Sarkozy will use those meetings to mend diplomatic fences.
France, which had been the second largest major arms supplier to India after Russia, with sales touching nearly €4 billion in 2005, has now been overtaken by Israel.
New Delhi, which is the biggest weapons buyer among emerging nations and is expected to spend $30 billion (Rs1.19 trillion) between 2007 and 2012, has not yet accepted France’s €1.5 billion offer to upgrade the air force’s fleet of Mirage 2000 fighter aircraft.
Indian defence officials say the cost, at about $40 million a plane, is too expensive.
Incidentally, the French lost out to the British on a 2004 contract worth $1.4 billion to supply 66 trainer jets to India.
“But what really has miffed France is the scrapping of the helicopter deal,” said Kapil Kak, director of the Centre for Air Power Studies, a private think tank.
Last month, India cancelled a $600 million deal to buy 197 military helicopters from the Eurocopter Group, a unit of European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co.
The defence ministry has not publicly said why the deal was pulled, but senior defence officials familiar with the matter have alleged that Eurocopter used a local go-between, despite an Indian ban on the use of middlemen in such deals. The signing of the deal was supposed to have been one of the highlights of Sarkozy’s visit. Instead, he is likely to push Eurocopter’s case ahead of a fresh tender process that will give US firm Bell Helicopter Textron Inc., another stab at the contract.
India’s decision in 2006 to buy six Franco-Spanish Scorpene submarines worth $3 billion has also run into choppy waters. Last month, an Indian court ordered police to complete a probe into allegations that $100 million were paid in bribes.
France also is in a race with US and Russian rivals to grab a multi-billion-dollar contract to sell 126 fighter jets to India, but is seen as lagging behind, with its Rafale fighter considered to be too pricey.
With the tender process expected to take years, French defence giant Dassault made an unsolicited offer last year to sell India 40 Rafale aircraft, but did not get a response, according to a company spokesman.
“The Indian market is difficult, not just for France but for everybody,” said a person familiar with the European defence industry, who did not wish to be identified. He said Sarkozy’s visit would determine whether France is “to boost, or not, its business in the next five years”.
Kak said although there were “ominous signs” for the defence contract relationship, he predicted the two sides would “find solutions” during Sarkozy’s visit.
Retired Indian Air Force chief N.K. Sareen said India could not afford to shut France out totally.
“India must keep all its options open...as interdependence is the punchline of the 21st century,” Sareen said. “We must also keep in mind they stood by us in 1998,” Sareen added, referring to France’s refusal to back US-led sanctions after India carried out a series of nuclear weapons tests a decade ago.

USD 40mi/aeronave a modernizacao

[soultrain]

Qual é o espanto? Sabe bem que inclui muito mais coisas, coisas que nem a FAP nem a FAB costumam comprar em números que se vejam. Els escolheram os Franceses pelos lindos olhos? Não se esqueça que os Israelitas estão sobre "vigilância", depois do escândalo de suborno a oficiais da IAF.

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[Penguin]

Qual é o espanto? Sabe bem que inclui muito mais coisas, coisas que nem a FAP nem a FAB costumam comprar em números que se vejam. Els escolheram os Franceses pelos lindos olhos? Não se esqueça que os Israelitas estão sobre "vigilância", depois do escândalo de suborno a oficiais da IAF.

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Modernizacao do Mirage 2000 = 1/2 preco flyaway Rafale

[Carlos Mathias]

Mas o quê está incluso????

MICAs? ASSM? Apache?

[Penguin]

Mas o quê está incluso????

MICAs? ASSM? Apache?

Ou nada.

[soultrain]

Nada...Esses Indianos burros, pais em desenvolvimento, terceiro mundo, sabe como é, bastam uns espelhos e umas bugigangas e ficam contentes.

[Carlos Mathias]

O pessoal já tá apelando na defesa dos seus amados aviões.

Soultrain, seu herege, bais ardeire no brazeiro dos infernos, brumeilho!

[Penguin]

Nada...Esses Indianos burros, pais em desenvolvimento, terceiro mundo, sabe como é, bastam uns espelhos e umas bugigangas e ficam contentes.

Isso porque as armas nao fazem parte do pacote?


DATE:28/01/08
SOURCE:Flight International
India set to sign Mirage 2000 upgrade deal
By Siva Govindasamy


India is poised to award a E1.5 billion ($2.2 billion) contract for upgrades to its Mirage 2000 fighters to a consortium comprising French firms Thales and Dassault.

The deal has been timed to coincide with French President Nicolas Sarkozy's state visit to India, say official sources in New Delhi. Work is likely to begin by year-end, with two aircraft upgraded in France and the rest in India in collaboration with state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics.

The contract is expected to cover upgrades to engines, avionics, navigation systems, mission computers, electronic warfare systems and radars. The work will bring India's 51 aircraft to the Mirage 2000-9-standard operated by the French air force, says a source in New Delhi. The service hopes to add 20 years of life of the aircraft, which were introduced between 1985 and 1989.

By awarding the contract to the Thales-Dassault consortium over a competing Israel Aircraft Industries proposal, New Delhi appears keen to mollify the French, who were angry after it called off an army tender for 197 light utility helicopters.
EADS subsidiary Eurocopter was poised to win the $500 million contract until India cancelled it following allegations of irregularities. A fresh request for proposals is expected shortly, with the AS550 Fennec and Bell 407 again likely to be in the fray.

Both European and French government officials have privately expressed their concern about the procurement process to their Indian counterparts, but long-standing Franco-Indian defence relations have helped to soothe their anger. However, Sarkozy is likely to raise the issue during his visit and make a renewed pitch for the AS550.

India remains a major customer for global defence contractors, however. Dassault's Rafale fighter is competing in India's tender for 126 medium multirole combat aircraft that is valued at up to $15 billion, battling the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-16, Saab Gripen and Sukhoi Su-35.

Upgrades to its ageing Mirage 2000s are essential as India tries to plug a capability gap ahead of the new fighters' arrival around 2014, and amid continued delays to its Aeronautical Development Agency Tejas light combat aircraft. It is also in talks with Russia for RSK MiG-29 upgrades and is likely to order more Su-30MKIs.

[Carlos Mathias]

Olha, essa fonte é boa, já sabe que a Rússia tirou o MIG-35 e colocou o SU-35 no MRCA deles.

India remains a major customer for global defence contractors, however. Dassault's Rafale fighter is competing in India's tender for 126 medium multirole combat aircraft that is valued at up to $15 billion, battling the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-16, Saab Gripen and Sukhoi Su-35.

Muito bom, souberam antes mesmo dos envolvidos na parada.

[Penguin]

Olha, essa fonte é boa, já sabe que a Rússia tirou o MIG-35 e colocou o SU-35 no MRCA deles.

India remains a major customer for global defence contractors, however. Dassault's Rafale fighter is competing in India's tender for 126 medium multirole combat aircraft that is valued at up to $15 billion, battling the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-16, Saab Gripen and Sukhoi Su-35.

Muito bom, souberam antes mesmo dos envolvidos na parada.

Um erro grosseiro, ou um desejo oculto que aflorou

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[Carlos Mathias]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, erro grosseiro. Então essa do pacote pode ser também.

[Penguin]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, erro grosseiro. Então essa do pacote pode ser também.

0 = 0
Su-35 - Su-35 = Mig-35 - Mig-35
Su-35 (1 - 1) = Mig-35 (1 - 1)
Su-35 = Mig-35

OBS.: Prof. Orestes, fique calmo que eh so uma bricadeira

Quais foram as armas desse pacote? Wishful thinking ou ha algum pista concreta?

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[Carlos Mathias]

Devem ser os mesmos wishfullthinking da abertura dos códigos fonte do F-18E prá nós.

[soultrain]

Bom,

A discussão é sobre embargos, a sub discussão é sobre o não fornecimento dos codigos fonte dos F-16 aos Israelitas, segundo o artigo que postou.

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