F-35 News
Moderadores: Glauber Prestes, Conselho de Moderação
- Gerson Victorio
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Re: F-35 News
glauber, eheh!!!
essa foi realmente boa.....as vezes a gente dá umas boas risadas por aqui....
grande abraço
Gerson
essa foi realmente boa.....as vezes a gente dá umas boas risadas por aqui....
grande abraço
Gerson
de volta a Campo Grande - MS.
- Glauber Prestes
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Re: F-35 News
Pô... o negócio tava muito sério... mas eu preciso parar, já foi o SU-35 news, e agora o F-35 news...
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Glauber,glauberprestes escreveu:Não... também não exagera... tem coisa séria por aqui, mas as vezes não dá. Se a moderação quiser me carcar, por favor, façam que eu paro.
Parafraseando o Professor...leia minha resposta nas entrelinhas. Deixou passar parceiro???
Um abraço
Flávio
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"... E, obviamente, esses meios de comunicação estão fazendo de fato a posição oposicionista deste país, já que a oposição está profundamente fragilizada. ... "
Maria Judith Brito, Presidente da ANJ (Associação Nacional de Jornais).
"... E, obviamente, esses meios de comunicação estão fazendo de fato a posição oposicionista deste país, já que a oposição está profundamente fragilizada. ... "
Maria Judith Brito, Presidente da ANJ (Associação Nacional de Jornais).
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Deixei não homi! Tem que fazer a média com a chefia né?Flávio Rocha Vieira escreveu:Glauber,glauberprestes escreveu:Não... também não exagera... tem coisa séria por aqui, mas as vezes não dá. Se a moderação quiser me carcar, por favor, façam que eu paro.
Parafraseando o Professor...leia minha resposta nas entrelinhas. Deixou passar parceiro???
Um abraço
Flávio
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Mas com que intenção? De mascarar a já certa compra dos F-35? De evitar a choradeira russa e francesa?Pra mim, tudo intencional, Fábio, logo "sabem" o que dizem.
- Immortal Horgh
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Re: F-35 News
Dissimular para barganhar mais, Professor? Humm, hoje analisando mais calmamente acho que pode ser por aí.orestespf escreveu: Calma, Marcos. Leitura minha: mudanças nos discursos devido as recentes novidades.
Abraços,
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Wolfgang escreveu:Tô pensando nisso...Carlos Mathias escreveu:
Só rindo mesmo. Mais interessante é ver cada um interpretando as falas dos ministros de acordo com suas escolhas pessoais.
Olha que a Rússia não está morta não hein!?
Hoje analisando mais calmamente, também acho que pode estar acontecendo isso. Seria aquela atitude mais ousada que tanto cobramos?
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Druzhby narodov nadyozhny oplot,
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Entre Maria Antonieta e Manga....
Roberto Mangabeira Unger
Roberto Mangabeira Unger (b. 1947, Rio de Janeiro) is a Brazilian contemporary social theorist, politician, and law professor at Harvard Law School.
He is the Harvard Law School's only Latin American faculty member.[1] He was associated with the Critical Legal Studies movement for a brief period in the late 1970's and early 1980's, although Unger has set forth his own criticisms of some of the central ideas that emerged out of this movement, in particular the indeterminacy debate in legal theory, which Unger calls the "radicalization of indeterminacy" in his own writings.[2]
Unger has long been active in Brazilian and Latin American politics, as a candidate, political activist, and as an advisor to world leaders. In 2007, he took leave from his position at Harvard to serve in the Brazilian government as Minister of Strategic Affairs.
Biography
Unger was born in Rio de Janeiro. He was the son of a Brazilian mother and a father who was a lawyer and businessman. His maternal grandfather, Octávio Mangabeira, was a Brazilian political legend.
Early in his life, Unger's family moved to the United States, where he lived until age 11, when his father died. He and his mother moved back to Brazil, where Unger attended university, returning to the United States in 1969 for graduate study at Harvard. In 1970 he joined the Harvard Law faculty, and became, in 1976, one of the youngest ever faculty members to receive tenure from the school. In that same year, Unger won a Guggenheim Fellowship. He was elected to the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2004.
Brazilian government appointment
In June 2007, Unger became a government minister during Luis Inácio Lula da Silva's second term, as head of the newly established Long-term Planning Secretariat, part of the executive office of the president. The appointment raised some controversy as in November 2005, Unger described Lula's government as "the most corrupt of Brazil's history" and called for his impeachment.[3] As part of his newly-created ministry, Unger will also be responsible for the Institute of Applied Economic Research, or IPEA, a government think tank previously attached to the Planning Ministry.[4] Unger's nomination was reported to cause fear within the IPEA that he would politicize the institution, which has traditionally been seen as apolitical and independent.[5][6] The Estado de São Paulo newspaper ran an editorial on May 4, 2007, warning of the potential politicization of the IPEA under Unger.[7] On September 7, 2007, the Folha de S. Paulo, Brazil's largest newspaper, reported that Unger would disband a long-standing IPEA workgroup, dubbed the Grupo de Conjuntura (English: Conjuncture Group), which had existed for the past 30 years. Still according to Folha, the group had previously sparred with the Finance Minister Guido Mantega, who thought the group was composed of sympathizers of the opposition PSDB party.[8]
On September 26, 2007, the Brazilian senate voted on whether to enact the temporary measure which created Unger's secretariat, into law. The Senate rejected the temporary measure, meaning that the nearly 600 appointed employees would be fired and the secretariat disbanded. The vote lacked the support of the centrist PMDB party. The party's leader, Valdir Raupp, was quoted saying he did not oppose the secretariat, but disapproved of the government's decision to create hundreds of jobs by decree.[9] President Lula recreated the ministry on October 4th, utilizing a presidential decree instead of a temporary measure. This has been challenged in the Supreme Federal Tribunal by the opposition PSDB and DEM parties as unconstitutional, citing article 48 of the Constitution of Brazil which states that only congress, with consent of the president, may authorize the creation or abolishment of ministries and all other government jobs.[10]
Since Unger's appointee to head the IPEA, Mário Pochmann, took office in August 2007, 5 of the 6 main directors of the IPEA have been replaced. Four economists, Fábio Giambiagi, Otávio Tourinho, Regis Bonelli and Gervásio Rezende, were placed on administrative leave and are expected to leave the IPEA by December 2007.[11] All four had previously published papers or espoused opinions which are contrary to the current administration's economic development philosophy. They will be replaced by economists which are generally considered to be "aligned" with the current government.[12] In an interview, Pochmann explained the replacement by citing the fact that both Giambiagi and Toutinho were "on loan" from the BNDES, and that their loan arrangements were not being renewed, citing their objectives as having been "completed". As for Bonelli and Rezende, which had been at the IPEA for over 40 years, Pochmann stated that both were officially retired from the institution, and by continuing to work for the IPEA, both were in an "irregular" situation.[13] The move gained wide coverage in the press was criticized by both media and politicians. Delfim Netto, former Minister of Finance from 1979 to 1985, criticized the move, citing that even under the military dictatorship, the IPEA was not censored even when it openly criticized the military.[14]
As a result of the controversy surrounding the changes at the IPEA, both Mário Pochmann and Roberto Mangabeira Unger are set be required to testify before the Brazilian congress on November 19, 2007.
Books
Knowledge and Politics, Free Press, 1975.
Law in Modern Society, Free Press, 1976.
Passion: An Essay on Personality , Free Press, 1984.
The Critical Legal Studies Movement, Harvard University Press, 1986.
Politics: A Work in Constructive Social Theory, Cambridge University Press, 1987, in 3 Vols:
Vol 1 - False Necessity: Anti-Necessitarian Social Theory in the Service of Radical Democracy.
Vol 2 - Social Theory: Its Situation and Its Task - A Critical Introduction to Politics: A Work in Constructive Social Theory.
Vol 3 - Plasticity Into Power: Comparative-Historical Studies on the Institutional Conditions of Economic and Military Success.
What Should Legal Analysis Become?, Verso, 1996
Politics: The Central Texts, Theory Against Fate, Verso, 1997, with Zhiyuan Cui.
Democracy Realized: The Progressive Alternative, Verso, 1998.
The Future of American Progressivism: An Initiative for Political and Economic Reform, Beacon, 1998 - with Cornel West
What Should the Left Propose? , Verso, 2006.
The Self Awakened: Pragmatism Unbound, Harvard, 2007.
Free Trade Reimagined: The World Division of Labor and the Method of Economics, Princeton University Press, forthcoming September 2007.
Fonte: Wiki
...Fico com a Maria...
Roberto Mangabeira Unger
Roberto Mangabeira Unger (b. 1947, Rio de Janeiro) is a Brazilian contemporary social theorist, politician, and law professor at Harvard Law School.
He is the Harvard Law School's only Latin American faculty member.[1] He was associated with the Critical Legal Studies movement for a brief period in the late 1970's and early 1980's, although Unger has set forth his own criticisms of some of the central ideas that emerged out of this movement, in particular the indeterminacy debate in legal theory, which Unger calls the "radicalization of indeterminacy" in his own writings.[2]
Unger has long been active in Brazilian and Latin American politics, as a candidate, political activist, and as an advisor to world leaders. In 2007, he took leave from his position at Harvard to serve in the Brazilian government as Minister of Strategic Affairs.
Biography
Unger was born in Rio de Janeiro. He was the son of a Brazilian mother and a father who was a lawyer and businessman. His maternal grandfather, Octávio Mangabeira, was a Brazilian political legend.
Early in his life, Unger's family moved to the United States, where he lived until age 11, when his father died. He and his mother moved back to Brazil, where Unger attended university, returning to the United States in 1969 for graduate study at Harvard. In 1970 he joined the Harvard Law faculty, and became, in 1976, one of the youngest ever faculty members to receive tenure from the school. In that same year, Unger won a Guggenheim Fellowship. He was elected to the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2004.
Brazilian government appointment
In June 2007, Unger became a government minister during Luis Inácio Lula da Silva's second term, as head of the newly established Long-term Planning Secretariat, part of the executive office of the president. The appointment raised some controversy as in November 2005, Unger described Lula's government as "the most corrupt of Brazil's history" and called for his impeachment.[3] As part of his newly-created ministry, Unger will also be responsible for the Institute of Applied Economic Research, or IPEA, a government think tank previously attached to the Planning Ministry.[4] Unger's nomination was reported to cause fear within the IPEA that he would politicize the institution, which has traditionally been seen as apolitical and independent.[5][6] The Estado de São Paulo newspaper ran an editorial on May 4, 2007, warning of the potential politicization of the IPEA under Unger.[7] On September 7, 2007, the Folha de S. Paulo, Brazil's largest newspaper, reported that Unger would disband a long-standing IPEA workgroup, dubbed the Grupo de Conjuntura (English: Conjuncture Group), which had existed for the past 30 years. Still according to Folha, the group had previously sparred with the Finance Minister Guido Mantega, who thought the group was composed of sympathizers of the opposition PSDB party.[8]
On September 26, 2007, the Brazilian senate voted on whether to enact the temporary measure which created Unger's secretariat, into law. The Senate rejected the temporary measure, meaning that the nearly 600 appointed employees would be fired and the secretariat disbanded. The vote lacked the support of the centrist PMDB party. The party's leader, Valdir Raupp, was quoted saying he did not oppose the secretariat, but disapproved of the government's decision to create hundreds of jobs by decree.[9] President Lula recreated the ministry on October 4th, utilizing a presidential decree instead of a temporary measure. This has been challenged in the Supreme Federal Tribunal by the opposition PSDB and DEM parties as unconstitutional, citing article 48 of the Constitution of Brazil which states that only congress, with consent of the president, may authorize the creation or abolishment of ministries and all other government jobs.[10]
Since Unger's appointee to head the IPEA, Mário Pochmann, took office in August 2007, 5 of the 6 main directors of the IPEA have been replaced. Four economists, Fábio Giambiagi, Otávio Tourinho, Regis Bonelli and Gervásio Rezende, were placed on administrative leave and are expected to leave the IPEA by December 2007.[11] All four had previously published papers or espoused opinions which are contrary to the current administration's economic development philosophy. They will be replaced by economists which are generally considered to be "aligned" with the current government.[12] In an interview, Pochmann explained the replacement by citing the fact that both Giambiagi and Toutinho were "on loan" from the BNDES, and that their loan arrangements were not being renewed, citing their objectives as having been "completed". As for Bonelli and Rezende, which had been at the IPEA for over 40 years, Pochmann stated that both were officially retired from the institution, and by continuing to work for the IPEA, both were in an "irregular" situation.[13] The move gained wide coverage in the press was criticized by both media and politicians. Delfim Netto, former Minister of Finance from 1979 to 1985, criticized the move, citing that even under the military dictatorship, the IPEA was not censored even when it openly criticized the military.[14]
As a result of the controversy surrounding the changes at the IPEA, both Mário Pochmann and Roberto Mangabeira Unger are set be required to testify before the Brazilian congress on November 19, 2007.
Books
Knowledge and Politics, Free Press, 1975.
Law in Modern Society, Free Press, 1976.
Passion: An Essay on Personality , Free Press, 1984.
The Critical Legal Studies Movement, Harvard University Press, 1986.
Politics: A Work in Constructive Social Theory, Cambridge University Press, 1987, in 3 Vols:
Vol 1 - False Necessity: Anti-Necessitarian Social Theory in the Service of Radical Democracy.
Vol 2 - Social Theory: Its Situation and Its Task - A Critical Introduction to Politics: A Work in Constructive Social Theory.
Vol 3 - Plasticity Into Power: Comparative-Historical Studies on the Institutional Conditions of Economic and Military Success.
What Should Legal Analysis Become?, Verso, 1996
Politics: The Central Texts, Theory Against Fate, Verso, 1997, with Zhiyuan Cui.
Democracy Realized: The Progressive Alternative, Verso, 1998.
The Future of American Progressivism: An Initiative for Political and Economic Reform, Beacon, 1998 - with Cornel West
What Should the Left Propose? , Verso, 2006.
The Self Awakened: Pragmatism Unbound, Harvard, 2007.
Free Trade Reimagined: The World Division of Labor and the Method of Economics, Princeton University Press, forthcoming September 2007.
Fonte: Wiki
...Fico com a Maria...
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- Immortal Horgh
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Re: F-35 News
Carlos Mathias escreveu:
Mas com que intenção? De mascarar a já certa compra dos F-35? De evitar a choradeira russa e francesa?
Pode ser que eles estejam querendo "arrancar" mais coisas, logo a dissimulação.
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Znamya sovetskoye, znamya narodnoye
Pust' ot pobedy k pobede vedyot!
Druzhby narodov nadyozhny oplot,
Znamya sovetskoye, znamya narodnoye
Pust' ot pobedy k pobede vedyot!
- Bourne
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Re: F-35 News
Acho que o pessoal está perdidinho.
A FAB e governo dão a entender que vão para um lugar e logo depois mudam de opinião. A meu ver existem duas alternativas.
A primeira, otimista e para o estasy de muitos dbistas, o F-X está decidido e faltam aqueles ajustes finais. Seja o F-35, ou Rafale (a beyoncé) ou Typhoon ou Gripen ou Lada não sei o que ou PAK ou Super Hornet ou F-35...............
A segunda, menos otimista e nobre, é adiar a compra de novos caças e deixar a bomba para o sucessor.
A FAB e governo dão a entender que vão para um lugar e logo depois mudam de opinião. A meu ver existem duas alternativas.
A primeira, otimista e para o estasy de muitos dbistas, o F-X está decidido e faltam aqueles ajustes finais. Seja o F-35, ou Rafale (a beyoncé) ou Typhoon ou Gripen ou Lada não sei o que ou PAK ou Super Hornet ou F-35...............
A segunda, menos otimista e nobre, é adiar a compra de novos caças e deixar a bomba para o sucessor.
Re: F-35 News
Custos do caça F-35 JSF sobem em 27% desde início do programa
Departamento de Defesa americano não vê problema com aumento médio para 69.3 milhões de dólares por unidade
Os custos com o projeto Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) já inflacionaram em 27% desde as estimativas iniciais do fabricante americano. O preço médio de compra de uma unidade aumentou de 50.2 milhões de dólares para 69.3 milhões, baseado em valores do dólar de 2002, disse o Gen. Charles Davis, gerente do programa JSF.
O General Davis que falou a repórteres via teleconferência ontem (9), atribuiu 92% dos custos a quatro fatores: menos aeronaves planejadas a serem compradas pelos militares americanos, a inflação, o aumento do preço do titânio e o aumento dos custos do fabricante no projeto de um caça que é stealth. Mesmo com o preço médio de compra do F-35 subindo o preço previsto para custear o projeto está caindo.
O último relatório de aquisição divulgado segunda-feira (7) pelo Departamento de Defesa dos Estados Unidos (DOD) mostra que a estimativa de preço total do programa diminuiu ligeiramente. Oficiais do DOD estão atualmente considerando a opção de comprar os próximos 12 F-35 para o segundo lote com baixa razão inicial de produção. A compra incluiria seis aeronaves CTOL de pouso e decolagem convencional – F-35A e depois talvez seis na versão STOVL de pouso e decolagem vertical – F-35B.
A Lockheed planeja voar o primeiro F-35B em modo convencional no final de maio ou começo de junho, e completar os primeiros vôos em modo STOVL com os sistemas de lift fan acionados no final do ano.
Departamento de Defesa americano não vê problema com aumento médio para 69.3 milhões de dólares por unidade
Os custos com o projeto Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) já inflacionaram em 27% desde as estimativas iniciais do fabricante americano. O preço médio de compra de uma unidade aumentou de 50.2 milhões de dólares para 69.3 milhões, baseado em valores do dólar de 2002, disse o Gen. Charles Davis, gerente do programa JSF.
O General Davis que falou a repórteres via teleconferência ontem (9), atribuiu 92% dos custos a quatro fatores: menos aeronaves planejadas a serem compradas pelos militares americanos, a inflação, o aumento do preço do titânio e o aumento dos custos do fabricante no projeto de um caça que é stealth. Mesmo com o preço médio de compra do F-35 subindo o preço previsto para custear o projeto está caindo.
O último relatório de aquisição divulgado segunda-feira (7) pelo Departamento de Defesa dos Estados Unidos (DOD) mostra que a estimativa de preço total do programa diminuiu ligeiramente. Oficiais do DOD estão atualmente considerando a opção de comprar os próximos 12 F-35 para o segundo lote com baixa razão inicial de produção. A compra incluiria seis aeronaves CTOL de pouso e decolagem convencional – F-35A e depois talvez seis na versão STOVL de pouso e decolagem vertical – F-35B.
A Lockheed planeja voar o primeiro F-35B em modo convencional no final de maio ou começo de junho, e completar os primeiros vôos em modo STOVL com os sistemas de lift fan acionados no final do ano.
Um grande abraço a todos os amigos!!!
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Re: F-35 News
Os EUA são um país tão b.. que colocam os valores dos caças aí para todos verem.. Cadê o custo inicial, desenvolvimento, produção e de manutenção do Rafa e do Su-35-1? Alguém sabe? Não.
Prefiro a transparência.
Prefiro a transparência.
- Wolfgang
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Re: F-35 News
Ria, CM, o dia que os russos entregaram a conta do PA indiano, aposto que o governo hindu também riu pacas...
Re: F-35 News
Calma Wolf, calma que estamos caminhando celeremente para as asas protetoras da American Eagle. O povo vai poder dormir tranquilo, sem medo dos comunistas.